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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 21, 2022 7:45:34 GMT -5
I anticipate Barkley having a big year for some reason. if he is on the field for 15 to 17 games he will without a doubt. I think if the OL can get healthy and stay that way big if, he is gonna have a year to rival his rookie year or better.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 21, 2022 7:46:33 GMT -5
He has the DG / #2 overall pick hanging over his head. People are gonna keep trying to bury a guy in DG who is already buried. Saquon and more so Jones are 2 big legacy pieces for that guy. I have to laugh he converts short yardage when there's no movement, where he has a problem is guys 3 yards deep in the backfield, just trying to be be fare he had a historic year as a rookie and year 2 he had a really good one with 1400 yards combined and 7 TD even tho he missed 3 games with a six to eight week injury and still wasn't healthy when he returned. Guys who play through high ankles are not soft. I hope he proves them all wrong he never throws his OL under the bus or QB or coaches, the fact is watch his runs if guys don't see him running with power with an excellent stiff arm and running through tacklers on some of the many huge plays they are lying to themselves about what kind of talent this kid is. Yes and RB at 2 was dumb the trade was the right move. I for one will not gonna run with false narratives on a kid that when healthy is as dominate an offensive weapon as there is. Health as you said is main thing and having some coaches who know how to use a multi dimensional talent like Barkley. Dude has never lost fumble with some luck and has only fumbled maybe 4 or 5 times. As a fan I'm rooting for him hope he earns a nice pay day wether he is here or else where kid is a quality player and teammate. yep...not his fault he was drafted to the NYGs at 2 by DG. Holding that against him as some do is effing mind boggling. As I have if he can consistently stay on on the field he will be very productive for sure. if he, Toney and Golladay keep some semblance of health this year, with the addition of Robinson, we could run some really creative offensive schemes, hide some of the O Line flaws, keep defenses guessing. Something we haven't seen in a long time around here.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2022 7:46:56 GMT -5
no injuries are the key. Even on the NYGs, with no injuries, his career stats and production would have been much much better IMO. I think healthy he would have been good for 1400 to 1700 a year with 7 to 10 TDs even with the pathetic OL. With no ACL those #s were realistic that injury happened early and cost him a full year and half plus the ankle that was a weird injury stepping on some ones foot. They say he looks more dynamic now and is head and shoulders the best athlete on the field for the Giants hope for health, He helps take the pressure off DJ and the rest of the offense the only real fault he has is pass pro. the rest of his game is good to go most of the time. Like most RBs they need a groove and many touches to get their production in overall.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2022 7:47:48 GMT -5
yep...not his fault he was drafted to the NYGs at 2 by DG. Holding that against him as some do is effing mind boggling. As I have if he can consistently stay on on the field he will be very productive for sure. if he, Toney and Golladay keep some semblance of health this year, with the addition of Robinson, we could run some really creative offensive schemes, hide some of the O Line flaws, keep defenses guessing. Something we haven't seen in a long time around here. and add Jones to the "semblance of health" list
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 21, 2022 7:58:50 GMT -5
I think healthy he would have been good for 1400 to 1700 a year with 7 to 10 TDs even with the pathetic OL. With no ACL those #s were realistic that injury happened early and cost him a full year and half plus the ankle that was a weird injury stepping on some ones foot. They say he looks more dynamic now and is head and shoulders the best athlete on the field for the Giants hope for health, He helps take the pressure off DJ and the rest of the offense the only real fault he has is pass pro. the rest of his game is good to go most of the time. Like most RBs they need a groove and many touches to get their production in overall. Yup his pass pro should be him getting the ball through the air on quick hitters then they will have to live by the blitz die by the blitz. Thats what makes me happy to to see our offensive coaches doing un Giant like things motion having the backs involved in he passing game.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 21, 2022 9:33:48 GMT -5
He has the DG / #2 overall pick hanging over his head. People are gonna keep trying to bury a guy in DG who is already buried. Saquon and more so Jones are 2 big legacy pieces for that guy. I have to laugh he converts short yardage when there's no movement, where he has a problem is guys 3 yards deep in the backfield, just trying to be be fare he had a historic year as a rookie and year 2 he had a really good one with 1400 yards combined and 7 TD even tho he missed 3 games with a six to eight week injury and still wasn't healthy when he returned. Guys who play through high ankles are not soft. I hope he proves them all wrong he never throws his OL under the bus or QB or coaches, the fact is watch his runs if guys don't see him running with power with an excellent stiff arm and running through tacklers on some of the many huge plays they are lying to themselves about what kind of talent this kid is. Yes and RB at 2 was dumb the trade was the right move. I for one will not gonna run with false narratives on a kid that when healthy is as dominate an offensive weapon as there is. Health as you said is main thing and having some coaches who know how to use a multi dimensional talent like Barkley. Dude has never lost fumble with some luck and has only fumbled maybe 4 or 5 times. As a fan I'm rooting for him hope he earns a nice pay day wether he is here or else where kid is a quality player and teammate. yep...not his fault he was drafted to the NYGs at 2 by DG. Holding that against him as some do is effing mind boggling. As I have if he can consistently stay on on the field he will be very productive for sure. Exactly. He is never going to live up to that pick, even if he had put up historic numbers. His position is no longer a premium position and has lost both its value and importance in today's NFL, which is no fault of his own. Gettleman screwed both Barkley and the Giants when they drafted him 2nd overall.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2022 10:22:19 GMT -5
yep...not his fault he was drafted to the NYGs at 2 by DG. Holding that against him as some do is effing mind boggling. As I have if he can consistently stay on on the field he will be very productive for sure. Exactly. He is never going to live up to that pick, even if he had put up historic numbers. His position is no longer a premium position and has lost both its value and importance in today's NFL, which is no fault of his own. Gettleman screwed both Barkley and the Giants when they drafted him 2nd overall. well if he put up historic numbers than yes he would live up to a #2 pick. I do agree the RB position is not valued at what it used to be and DG did screw both SB and the NYGs
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 21, 2022 15:37:45 GMT -5
if he, Toney and Golladay keep some semblance of health this year, with the addition of Robinson, we could run some really creative offensive schemes, hide some of the O Line flaws, keep defenses guessing. Something we haven't seen in a long time around here. and add Jones to the "semblance of health" list yeah, goes with out saying...
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Post by allnygin on Aug 21, 2022 15:49:31 GMT -5
good maybe he'll actually produce and learn to block a pass rusher for once.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 21, 2022 16:11:29 GMT -5
Don't tell us, show us.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 21, 2022 18:04:06 GMT -5
yep...not his fault he was drafted to the NYGs at 2 by DG. Holding that against him as some do is effing mind boggling. As I have if he can consistently stay on on the field he will be very productive for sure. Exactly. He is never going to live up to that pick, even if he had put up historic numbers. His position is no longer a premium position and has lost both its value and importance in today's NFL, which is no fault of his own. Gettleman screwed both Barkley and the Giants when they drafted him 2nd overall. Sad part is he could have traded down and probably got Barkley also even moving down between 4 and 6.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 21, 2022 18:33:52 GMT -5
Exactly. He is never going to live up to that pick, even if he had put up historic numbers. His position is no longer a premium position and has lost both its value and importance in today's NFL, which is no fault of his own. Gettleman screwed both Barkley and the Giants when they drafted him 2nd overall. Sad part is he could have traded down and probably got Barkley also even moving down between 4 and 6. I keep saying Barkley probably falls to us at Denver's spot
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 21, 2022 19:06:34 GMT -5
Nothing against Saquon. But I said it was crazy to draft an RB at #2, and me and everyone else who said the same thing at the time are proven right.
If your team has the #2 pick, you are not good enough to draft a RB in that position. Unless he can literally fly (above the defense).
Of all the silly things the giants owners have done to get to this point, that was probably the worst.
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Post by redeyejedi on Aug 21, 2022 19:25:24 GMT -5
I anticipate Barkley having a big year for some reason. Its a contract year. Hopefully we won't get fooled into paying him
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 21, 2022 19:26:03 GMT -5
Dancing is for High School football. LMAO
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Post by jb456 on Aug 21, 2022 21:18:41 GMT -5
Stats and injuries don’t lie. Barkley hasn’t been anything special since his Rookie year. This is Barkeys last chance for a decent paycheck but that won’t come from the Giants. Zero chance Giants resign Barkley even if he has a great year. I’m not so sure about that last statement. While I do agree it’s likely we move on from Barkley, it’s also likely we’ll have a new QB on a rookie contract giving us money to spare. If Barkley looks like the Barkley of old, I could see the team signing him for a few years. He could be a good weapon/security blanket for the young QB to grow with. I don’t know man. You think the Giants are going to invest significant resources in a player who has had various injuries since 2019 and was only great his rookie year? The risk is so much and I can see the Giants letting Barkley test the market. No chance of a franchise tag.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 21, 2022 23:47:27 GMT -5
I'd be happy if Saquon gives me a reason not to use my clicker to turn off Giants games again this season.
Again, don't tell us, show us.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 22, 2022 7:02:57 GMT -5
I’m not so sure about that last statement. While I do agree it’s likely we move on from Barkley, it’s also likely we’ll have a new QB on a rookie contract giving us money to spare. If Barkley looks like the Barkley of old, I could see the team signing him for a few years. He could be a good weapon/security blanket for the young QB to grow with. I don’t know man. You think the Giants are going to invest significant resources in a player who has had various injuries since 2019 and was only great his rookie year? The risk is so much and I can see the Giants letting Barkley test the market. No chance of a franchise tag. There are a lot of variables in play but to keep it short I don’t think it’s a sure thing he’s gone. I think it’s likely, but we’re going to have a lot of money the next few years and we have a young team. We can afford to have a few “overpaid” players on the roster if we want to. First things first, let’s hope Barkley plays well enough this year to make it an interesting conversation next off-season.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 22, 2022 7:08:41 GMT -5
I believe in Barkeley................................... Let's get it Let's get it.............
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Post by keyofgmen on Aug 22, 2022 7:13:46 GMT -5
There are not enough Snickers in WalMart for this crowd...
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Aug 22, 2022 16:40:20 GMT -5
it wasnt just injuries it was a combo of the barry sanders act. and spotty play from the oline. even fans were calling him soft at one point, even on the field not injured.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 23, 2022 8:00:28 GMT -5
I don’t know man. You think the Giants are going to invest significant resources in a player who has had various injuries since 2019 and was only great his rookie year? The risk is so much and I can see the Giants letting Barkley test the market. No chance of a franchise tag. There are a lot of variables in play but to keep it short I don’t think it’s a sure thing he’s gone. I think it’s likely, but we’re going to have a lot of money the next few years and we have a young team. We can afford to have a few “overpaid” players on the roster if we want to. First things first, let’s hope Barkley plays well enough this year to make it an interesting conversation next off-season. I would rather the Giants invest money in players with less talent than Barkley but can stay on the field. I don't want the Giants to be the guy who buys a Ferrari, never drives it and strokes it with a diaper in his garage. This is my baby, he is so shiny!
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 23, 2022 8:04:23 GMT -5
Hold on tight
- if the Giants are successful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley return for $$$$ - if the Giants are unsuccessful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley walk
Not that this is breaking news but the cap will be greatly effected.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2022 10:17:35 GMT -5
Hold on tight - if the Giants are successful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley return for $$$$ - if the Giants are unsuccessful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley walk Not that this is breaking news but the cap will be greatly effected. my guess is there is almost nothing SB can do to get a huge contract from the NYG. Unless he has some type of historic season. I see him in another uniform next season. We all know Jones has to meet what ever expectations that Schoen and Daboll have set for him.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 23, 2022 10:43:48 GMT -5
Hold on tight - if the Giants are successful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley return for $$$$ - if the Giants are unsuccessful this season, the odds are greater Jones and Barkley walk Not that this is breaking news but the cap will be greatly effected. my guess is there is almost nothing SB can do to get a huge contract from the NYG. Unless he has some type of historic season. I see him in another uniform next season. We all know Jones has to meet what ever expectations that Schoen and Daboll have set for him. what to do if Barkely’s YAC on dump offs benefits Jones’ stats? Riding coat tails? Lot of ways to perceive this game by game. Hold tight, it’s going to be bumpy.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2022 10:59:19 GMT -5
my guess is there is almost nothing SB can do to get a huge contract from the NYG. Unless he has some type of historic season. I see him in another uniform next season. We all know Jones has to meet what ever expectations that Schoen and Daboll have set for him. what to do if Barkely’s YAC on dump offs benefits Jones’ stats? Riding coat tails? Lot of ways to perceive this game by game. Hold tight, it’s going to be bumpy. I hope Daboll and Schoen have to make these decisions at the end of this season. That means all went very well. As far as Jones riding on YAC coat tails is not something that will fool Daboll or Schoen
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 23, 2022 11:29:10 GMT -5
Wow.... Strong words. Dude is chirping up a storm. “Last year was more like, ‘Dang, the game was taken away from me.’ I never had a season where I didn’t go and play football,” the Giants running back told the “2nd Wind” podcast. “Now, it’s a kill mindset. Now it’s like, you know what? F—k everybody. I’m ready to go crazy.” He better be back to his 2018 play, plus a big learning curve, or he is going to get CRUSHED by the fans. Pony up SQB. Shut em all up, including me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 11:42:55 GMT -5
Wow.... Strong words. Dude is chirping up a storm. “Last year was more like, ‘Dang, the game was taken away from me.’ I never had a season where I didn’t go and play football,” the Giants running back told the “2nd Wind” podcast. “Now, it’s a kill mindset. Now it’s like, you know what? F—k everybody. I’m ready to go crazy.” He better be back to his 2018 play, plus a big learning curve, or he is going to get CRUSHED by the fans. Pony up SQB. Shut em all up, including me. I'm surprised fans aren't disappointed by his comments after his pretty poor performance for this team these past few years.. He is setting himself up that he better pony up!!
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Post by miggs on Aug 24, 2022 0:07:35 GMT -5
I just hope that Matt Breida makes the 53-man roster and is available to play early in the season. As Breida and Williams are very good back-ups behind Barkley. Corbin too if the Giants keep 4 backs.
I'm getting the feeling from sportswriters that they have inside info that Breida will be cut. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 24, 2022 7:56:53 GMT -5
Wow.... Strong words. Dude is chirping up a storm. “Last year was more like, ‘Dang, the game was taken away from me.’ I never had a season where I didn’t go and play football,” the Giants running back told the “2nd Wind” podcast. “Now, it’s a kill mindset. Now it’s like, you know what? F—k everybody. I’m ready to go crazy.” He better be back to his 2018 play, plus a big learning curve, or he is going to get CRUSHED by the fans. Pony up SQB. Shut em all up, including me. I'm surprised fans aren't disappointed by his comments after his pretty poor performance for this team these past few years.. He is setting himself up that he better pony up!! unlike others who don’t articulate themselves as well, imo he surrounded the jab with humbleness. Admitted he’s not perfect, etc. Not sure where this team is going but if Barkley is a positive this year i’m thinking the Giants will maintain the positives going forward. Positive meaning he’s among the top performers in the league.
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