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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 11:26:10 GMT -5
Not what scouts do.... but do continue...let's break down each and every play as QB scouts we all are, cause I know you are better than he's Tua cause they both played for Alabama I'm sure you are fully armed with each x and o play they were running, and why Texas outcoached the mighty Crimson Tide Oh so you’re a self proclaimed scout. I see, that’s awesome. So far you posted cliff notes to make a case he’s different than Tua b/c they have different names. How about more of a critical eye like scouts have? That's what we got from you Ranger...Young is Tua. Because they are small, and play(ed) at...Alabama. Yeah, BTW...I do scout and talk to college scouts all the time...or did. You suggested all he did was average, and I would appreciate a few breakdowns on each play. YOU made the weather statement...Phoenix is hot, and so is Mississippi. So, what more you got from that film except the generic ....he is Tua.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 11:29:48 GMT -5
QB’s are always an enigma to me. There’s lots of guys I thought would do great in the NFL who tanked and vice versa, I guess I’m no different than most GM’s in that regard. Having sad that, the handful of games I’ve seen Stroud and Young play in I haven’t been impressed. I’m especially weary of Ohio State QB’s, they don’t have a good track record. It's the most scrutinized position and hardest one to get right. We've seen no brainer first rounders flame out in the pros and we have seen mid and late round picks blossom into hall of fame talents. I believe in Young, but can understand why some people are skeptical. Where people lose me is when they try to low key clown on you for actually having a different opinion. Absolutely...there is no Andrew Luck in this draft. Each of these QB's is going to be scrutinized closely, and every scout in each room will have differing opinions. But from that film and game, I see a defense that confused and manhandled the OL of the Tide. IMHO, he actually rose a level after that game in my evaluation. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 11:30:19 GMT -5
QB’s are always an enigma to me. There’s lots of guys I thought would do great in the NFL who tanked and vice versa, I guess I’m no different than most GM’s in that regard. Having sad that, the handful of games I’ve seen Stroud and Young play in I haven’t been impressed. I’m especially weary of Ohio State QB’s, they don’t have a good track record. I believe in Young, but can understand why some people are skeptical. Where people lose me is when they try to low key clown on you for actually having a different opinion. Exactly why I look for flaws in their game (the ones that kill NFL careers) And Never hero worship NCAA QBs. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 11, 2022 11:38:13 GMT -5
For all we know, Schoen played a big role in identifying Allens true value and why Buffalo traded up to take him. He strikes me as the type of guy who is very thorough and doesn't always go for the crowd favorites.
I do believe at the end of THE ENTIRE season, DJ will be the obvious choice and they will build around him. If they do deem it necessary to move on Schoen will find us a diamond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 11:38:16 GMT -5
That he was hearing footsteps? He sure was...Texas was balling everywhere on defense...getting home every pass play...but Bryce Young, play by play, did alright. Nothing in that film suggests he's not going top 3 pick. I am not a fan of a QB that cannot throw a crisp ball under duress. He was pressing. He was overthrowing his receivers. (too much zip on the ball at times) He looked like Vince Young. (I stick by the assessment too) It is easy to Play QB when you're not getting pounded. They all can do that. A good NFL QB can take the pounding and still get it done. He looked mediocre against an inferior opponent. It is easy to play on Alabama. Let him and Chase Brice change teams. See how he does with no name WRs and 2nd rate O-linemen on App State. With the talent on Alabama. He should have found the weak link and picked the D apart. Texas is not ranked. There were plenty of weak links he should have exposed. He didn't. That is my opinion on what I watched. No problem...I agree to disagree on his play. IMHO, he threw plenty of good balls under duress, and put them where nobody could catch them when nobody was open...which happened a lot. This game was almost won by the Texas front 4, and occasional blitz. The interior was where most of the pressure was coming from....not many QB's are going to thrive with pressure coming up the gut. If they don't clean that up, Alabama might not make the playoffs, but Bryce Young is still being drafted at the top... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 11:47:08 GMT -5
We should draft the QB from Morehead State, cause Simms came from that college?  That should be our draft evaluating philosophy....Ohio State produces crappy QB's....Alabama produces crappy QB's, Young is Tua hahaha....don't want to draft a LSU QB...JaMarcus Russell came from there. Wait, Joe Burrow. Oh damn, we drafted a QB from Duke. Our new drafting evaluating philosophy.  It’s going to be ok. You’ll be alright. Tua is Bryce Young...that's all I got from your "scouting". How about evaluating a single play on the game tape? 1:50? 2:11? |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2022 11:54:45 GMT -5
best case scenario is they dont need to pick QB. Would suck if they had to. No guarantees and starting all over again
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 12:01:56 GMT -5
From what I read Schoen and the upper brass were there to see Richardson and Levis. Levis showed some toughness but was not overly impressive, Richardson has a cannon and all the traits you want but he at this point looks like a Wiilis type project. It was one game with both teams showing some tough defense so there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 12:03:57 GMT -5
best case scenario is they dont need to pick QB. Would suck if they had to. No guarantees and starting all over again Well, it all starts today....cause if we're picking 10-15, we might have to trade the future and farm for a maybe ..... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 12:05:41 GMT -5
It's the most scrutinized position and hardest one to get right. We've seen no brainer first rounders flame out in the pros and we have seen mid and late round picks blossom into hall of fame talents. I believe in Young, but can understand why some people are skeptical. Where people lose me is when they try to low key clown on you for actually having a different opinion. Absolutely...there is no Andrew Luck in this draft. Each of these QB's is going to be scrutinized closely, and every scout in each room will have differing opinions. But from that film and game, I see a defense that confused and manhandled the OL of the Tide. IMHO, he actually rose a level after that game in my evaluation. He went and got the game when it was in doubt he had rough 3QTs but when it mattered he came through lets give the kid his season to see if he gets better as the season goes by. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 11, 2022 12:06:06 GMT -5
Haven't watched much of Young but hard to evaluate based on that Texas game. Don't follow college ball that closely but the Texas defense seemed all over him.
Looked like he had a bit of Russell Wilson in him but he is even more undersized...will have to watch him this year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 12:08:09 GMT -5
best case scenario is they dont need to pick QB. Would suck if they had to. No guarantees and starting all over again Well, it all starts today....cause if we're picking 10-15, we might have to trade the future and farm for a maybe ..... This draft might be like the last one sit and see what fruit falls to you. Too early to tell tho come November if they are all bunched up might be able to wait for one to fall to you. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 11, 2022 12:08:37 GMT -5
I love Bryce Young, if DJ stinks, would be thrilled if we end up with him.
All this hoopla is sooooooo stupid. Giants were literally scouting the hell out of Herbert one year after taking DJ with the same GM. Front offices do due dilligence on top prospects. And in the Giants case, if DJ does stink, then they need to pull the trigger.
In no way does it reflect what they are absolutely going to do. It's all dependent on this season, but ya gotta know the guys you might need to draft.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2022 12:14:47 GMT -5
best case scenario is they dont need to pick QB. Would suck if they had to. No guarantees and starting all over again Well, it all starts today....cause if we're picking 10-15, we might have to trade the future and farm for a maybe ..... only if they really want one of the QBs next year. Still rather have Jones work out |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 12:31:32 GMT -5
Well, it all starts today....cause if we're picking 10-15, we might have to trade the future and farm for a maybe ..... only if they really want one of the QBs next year. Still rather have Jones work out Same |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 12:33:31 GMT -5
It’s going to be ok. You’ll be alright. Tua is Bryce Young...that's all I got from your "scouting". How about evaluating a single play on the game tape? 1:50? 2:11? calm down, it's going to be ok. That's not what was said. Being you're a scout, or may have spoken to scout, or who knows, etc i'm just looking for something more critical than the typical modern day rah rah. That shouldn't be too much to ask. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 12:37:25 GMT -5
I love Bryce Young, if DJ stinks, would be thrilled if we end up with him. All this hoopla is sooooooo stupid. Giants were literally scouting the hell out of Herbert one year after taking DJ with the same GM. One year before. Imo, Gettleman wanted Herbert. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 11, 2022 12:43:20 GMT -5
I love Bryce Young, if DJ stinks, would be thrilled if we end up with him. All this hoopla is sooooooo stupid. Giants were literally scouting the hell out of Herbert one year after taking DJ with the same GM. One year before. Imo, Gettleman wanted Herbert. Agreed. Would have been very interesting had he come out. I don't think he'd be quite the same considering this dumpster fire of a franchise. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 11, 2022 12:48:09 GMT -5
I honestly dont get credit he's getting. Bama is not looking like the dominant powerhouse it always is but they're still better than what they've played like its not like this kid has nobody on his offense to help him out he does. He's looked pedestrian, (though you clearly see the talent at times). Yesterday he won a game he should have lost against an unranked texas team. Had texas's starting qb stayed healthy wouldve been a blowout
I need to see more before I start getting on the bryce young train.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 12:52:48 GMT -5
One year before. Imo, Gettleman wanted Herbert. Agreed. Would have been very interesting had he come out. I don't think he'd be quite the same considering this dumpster fire of a franchise. Contrary to a loud minority we would be asking the same questions about Herbert we are of Jones right bow if he had his first 2 years under Judge/Garrett,no 0 line or weapons) |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2022 12:54:13 GMT -5
at the moment.. **** Bryce Young...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 13:10:35 GMT -5
Tua is Bryce Young...that's all I got from your "scouting". How about evaluating a single play on the game tape? 1:50? 2:11? calm down, it's going to be ok. That's not what was said. Being you're a scout, or may have spoken to scout, or who knows, etc i'm just looking for something more critical than the typical modern day rah rah. That shouldn't be too much to ask. Bryce Young is Tua It's all good Ranger...you watched First take and get your football knowledge from Stephen A. Film is boring bro... as are those damn x and o's. Come on Ranger, what was the very first pass play called? Don't have to run through every one. It's the first one, and VERY basic. It's run in pee wee football...no, not north south dump.... or possession ....that's hockey. Football is far more complicated...but the very first pass play?...might use it today as our first pass play. No, not the Tua ....you can do it Ranger. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 13:11:35 GMT -5
One year before. Imo, Gettleman wanted Herbert. Agreed. Would have been very interesting had he come out. I don't think he'd be quite the same considering this dumpster fire of a franchise. I'm not even sure Allen would be the same had the Giants drafted him. Herbert staying in school was a surprise imo. Had he come out, yeah he wouldn't be as good b/c of this roster yet he had tools you can't teach. On the flip side, i'm not confident Jones would be killing it in either Buffalo or San Diego. Such a big year for Jones and will really determine the trajectory of this Giants team. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 13:15:53 GMT -5
calm down, it's going to be ok. That's not what was said. Being you're a scout, or may have spoken to scout, or who knows, etc i'm just looking for something more critical than the typical modern day rah rah. That shouldn't be too much to ask. Bryce Young is Tua It's all good Ranger...you watched First take and get your football knowledge from Stephen A. Film is boring bro... as are those damn x and o's. Come on Ranger, what was the very first pass play called? Don't have to run through every one. It's the first one, and VERY basic. It's run in pee wee football...no, not north south dump.... or possession ....that's hockey. Football is far more complicated...but the very first pass play?...might use it today as our first pass play. No, not the Tua ....you can do it Ranger. Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 13:16:47 GMT -5
Bryce Young is Tua It's all good Ranger...you watched First take and get your football knowledge from Stephen A. Film is boring bro... as are those damn x and o's. Come on Ranger, what was the very first pass play called? Don't have to run through every one. It's the first one, and VERY basic. It's run in pee wee football...no, not north south dump.... or possession ....that's hockey. Football is far more complicated...but the very first pass play?...might use it today as our first pass play. No, not the Tua ....you can do it Ranger. Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes.  Anthony Richardson is Lamar Jackson?  Ranger13...superscout |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 13:46:47 GMT -5
Bryce Young is Tua It's all good Ranger...you watched First take and get your football knowledge from Stephen A. Film is boring bro... as are those damn x and o's. Come on Ranger, what was the very first pass play called? Don't have to run through every one. It's the first one, and VERY basic. It's run in pee wee football...no, not north south dump.... or possession ....that's hockey. Football is far more complicated...but the very first pass play?...might use it today as our first pass play. No, not the Tua ....you can do it Ranger. Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes.  You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue  |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 13:52:19 GMT -5
Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes. You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue I'm enjoying this |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 13:59:00 GMT -5
You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue I'm enjoying this Well, I have learned from Stephen A Ranger, Levis muscles compare to Simms. |
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Post by yoho on Sept 11, 2022 14:13:11 GMT -5
Might I remind folks that the best scenario is that Jones balls out, and we spend next year’s draft capitol on other needs, like CB, interior line, etc. I know the new regime didn’t draft him, but after working with him for a season they could learn to like him if he comes through.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 11, 2022 14:25:22 GMT -5
When is the last time an Alabama quarterback has really done anything in the NFL? Joe Namath maybe? They also say that about Ohio St, USC, etc |
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