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Post by ratbastich on Sept 11, 2022 14:36:04 GMT -5
When is the last time an Alabama quarterback has really done anything in the NFL? Joe Namath maybe? They also say that about Ohio St, USC, etc Some schools are known for certain positions (ie. LSU receivers and DBs). There doesn't seem to be a QB University, though Alabama and the ones you named have definitely had their share of high picks that have not turned out.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 14:38:26 GMT -5
Might I remind folks that the best scenario is that Jones balls out, and we spend next year’s draft capitol on other needs, like CB, interior line, etc. I know the new regime didn’t draft him, but after working with him for a season they could learn to like him if he comes through. That seems lost on a few... Unfortunately the odds are long that Jones recovers and figures out how to make the FO make that decision to keep him....
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 14:41:11 GMT -5
They also say that about Ohio St, USC, etc Some schools are known for certain positions (ie. LSU receivers and DBs). There doesn't seem to be a QB University, though Alabama and the ones you named have definitely had their share of high picks that have not turned out. It's a crapshoot no matter what The only schools that used to be known as QB U were BYU and Miami.. but after the mid 90s ...nothing Law of averages say that one of these days a qube from Ohio State actually is legit
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 14:43:19 GMT -5
Some schools are known for certain positions (ie. LSU receivers and DBs). There doesn't seem to be a QB University, though Alabama and the ones you named have definitely had their share of high picks that have not turned out. It's a crapshoot no matter what The only schools that used to be known as QB U were BYU and Miami.. but after the mid 90s ...nothing Law of averages say that one of these days a qube from Ohio State actually is legit USC?
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 14:44:23 GMT -5
It's a crapshoot no matter what The only schools that used to be known as QB U were BYU and Miami.. but after the mid 90s ...nothing Law of averages say that one of these days a qube from Ohio State actually is legit USC? Carson Palmer was well on his way before his ACL got blown out in that playoff game
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Post by allnygin on Sept 11, 2022 14:47:09 GMT -5
You can't not take a QB who has favorable traits just bc of the schools history with their QB prospects failing in the NFL. These are men, they're all built different it doesn't mattter the school, and secondly, yeah of course most qbs in general fail bc they're going to the worst situations in football.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 14:59:00 GMT -5
You can't not take a QB who has favorable traits just bc of the schools history with their QB prospects failing in the NFL. These are men, they're all built different it doesn't mattter the school, and secondly, yeah of course most qbs in general fail bc they're going to the worst situations in football. Exactly Law of averages and situation said qb goes to
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 11, 2022 15:02:05 GMT -5
You can't not take a QB who has favorable traits just bc of the schools history with their QB prospects failing in the NFL. These are men, they're all built different it doesn't mattter the school, and secondly, yeah of course most qbs in general fail bc they're going to the worst situations in football. Exactly Law of averages and situation said qb goes to yep just see Big Ben and hell Josh Allen, Pat Maholmes, and on and on, Justin Herbert
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 11, 2022 15:20:13 GMT -5
They also say that about Ohio St, USC, etc Some schools are known for certain positions (ie. LSU receivers and DBs). There doesn't seem to be a QB University, though Alabama and the ones you named have definitely had their share of high picks that have not turned out. That's true, some schools are known for putting out alot of successful players at certain positions, but it never seems to be QB.
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 15:23:56 GMT -5
You can't not take a QB who has favorable traits just bc of the schools history with their QB prospects failing in the NFL. These are men, they're all built different it doesn't mattter the school, and secondly, yeah of course most qbs in general fail bc they're going to the worst situations in football. QBs in most big NCAA programs are recruited because they fit a system not because of QB skills. That is why they fail in the NFL. It is statistically improbable for a School to have so many "did not make it in the NFL" without a driving mechanism. They do not groom QBs to be a good QB , They groom them to run a system.
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Post by redeyejedi on Sept 11, 2022 15:59:02 GMT -5
From what I read Schoen and the upper brass were there to see Richardson and Levis. Levis showed some toughness but was not overly impressive, Richardson has a cannon and all the traits you want but he at this point looks like a Wiilis type project. It was one game with both teams showing some tough defense so there's that. I thought Will Levis looked good. Statistics don't tell the whole story. Cutting up the game now. I see high level NFL ability from Levis. Great in play action, huge arm, large frame that can absorb hits. Mixes velocity and arm ball placement to keep receivers out of harms way. I see a lot to like from Levis. It's early and someone else may emerge as the season goes on but right now I see more translatable traits from Levis than the other top QB's.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 16:30:56 GMT -5
From what I read Schoen and the upper brass were there to see Richardson and Levis. Levis showed some toughness but was not overly impressive, Richardson has a cannon and all the traits you want but he at this point looks like a Wiilis type project. It was one game with both teams showing some tough defense so there's that. I thought Will Levis looked good. Statistics don't tell the whole story. Cutting up the game now. I see high level NFL ability from Levis. Great in play action, huge arm, large frame that can absorb hits. Mixes velocity and arm ball placement to keep receivers out of harms way. I see a lot to like from Levis. It's early and someone else may emerge as the season goes on but right now I see more translatable traits from Levis than the other top QB's. I thought he missed some throws that could have made that game a little easier then it was, I don't re watch much anymore but i trust your assessment have I know redeye has pretty good feel fro the college game .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 16:32:51 GMT -5
Thats why the LBs Giants can't stay on the field on offense and can't completely get off the field on defense.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 16:36:58 GMT -5
Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes. You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue When you're in a hole, stop digging. You need a defense to determine which pattern is taken super Scout
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 16:53:19 GMT -5
You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue When you're in a hole, stop digging. You need a defense to determine which pattern is taken super Scout No, it's not a dig route... nor a hole. Never heard of a hole route...trick play? Stephen A Ranger...here is another clue for your world Route?... and a bonus 2 part question...what QB has that type of muscle, and should the Giants draft him?
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 11, 2022 17:03:09 GMT -5
When you're in a hole, stop digging. You need a defense to determine which pattern is taken super Scout No, it's not a dig route... nor a hole. Never heard of a hole route...trick play? Stephen A Ranger...here is another clue for your world Route?... and a bonus 2 part question...what QB has that type of muscle, and should the Giants draft him? modern day immaturity
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 17:14:13 GMT -5
No, it's not a dig route... nor a hole. Never heard of a hole route...trick play? Stephen A Ranger...here is another clue for your world Route?... and a bonus 2 part question...what QB has that type of muscle, and should the Giants draft him? modern day immaturity Simms or Bradshaw muscles? I like Bradshaw. Levis have enough to equal Bradshaw, or are you still scouting him a Simms muscle clone?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 17:15:25 GMT -5
Carson Palmer was well on his way before his ACL got blown out in that playoff game 1st play...
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Post by bavarobeast on Sept 11, 2022 21:28:04 GMT -5
I watched the game . He was hearing footsteps for 3 quarters. He should have gotten sacked on Bamas' last drive. Bama barely beat an inferior opponent. Tennessee's front is going to eat him on Oct 15th. IMO: He is too much like Vince Young Me I like Levis in the 1st In the 3rd I would take Chase Brice with no reservation . He does not have a great team around him. He places his team in a position to win. With all due respect and you deserve respect on this board - your comment is off the mark and full of tunnel vision. I watch Alabama every week - I live in Alabama. Don’t think what I’m about to say is driven by being an Alabama fan, I’m not I’’m a Michigan fan. I watched the game also. Alabama lost key pieces at RB OL and WR. Bryce was hearing footsteps alright - and he should of been. Alabama’s WR’s were not getting separation.Texas was bringing the heat consistently and presenting a big challenge to the OL. Little time with no one open is a bad combo for any QB especially in a hostile environment vs a much improved Texas team. Texas has offensive weapons and their d was ballin yesterday. Every single commentator on every network that spoke about Texas agreed they are much improved from last year. They hired Gary Patterson as Assistant Defensive Coordinator. He is considered one of the very top defensive minds in college football. Particularly in game plan and schemes. Texas head coach Steve Sarkasian worked under Saban before taking the head coaching job at Texas. He knows ALL the in an outs of Bama’s offense. Bryce Young proved just how much of a big time player he is. When his back was against the wall he led his team to victory. He should of gotten sacked on the last drive? Really? He didn’t get sacked because of his pocket presence and elusiveness. If he was a statue let’s say like….Daniel Jones he would of been sacked. Finally, B Young is nothing like Vince Young. V Young was a line drive thrower with little touch on the ball and a great runner.B Young is a reluctant runner who escapes the pocket when need be. B Young can make all the throws including touch. Levis couldn’t carry Bryce Young’s jock strap. My only concern with Bryce is his size. He could get broken in half in the NFL.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Sept 11, 2022 21:36:58 GMT -5
Yesterday in Texas, Bryce Young showed why he might be the best QB prospect for the 2023 NFL draft. Giant fans might want to keep an eye on the Alabama QB this year. I liked what I saw of him last year. Hopefully he keeps showing the goods.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 11, 2022 21:55:04 GMT -5
I haven't been highest on young this season so far, but there does appear to be a big drop off in talent at bama, how much may be exaggerated we'll see how things progress as the season does. That said, you can't deny the he doesn't have some crazy talent. One of the things I like is his ability to use his mobility to get outside the pocket if he needs and improvise. That is something you need in todays NFL. If you can't navigate the pocket and get outside and improvise you're just going to be sacked alot. You see it in almost every good QB nowadays, you just have to be able to move around and extend plays. Size and arm strength are some weaknesses, but even his arm strength is more than sufficient.
Will be fun to see how this QB class shakes out this season, considering its very likely one of them will end up as Giants. Unless Jones finds a way to turn it on.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 6:01:15 GMT -5
Yesterday in Texas, Bryce Young showed why he might be the best QB prospect for the 2023 NFL draft. Giant fans might want to keep an eye on the Alabama QB this year. Joe Schoen, and 20 plus scouts from 15 teams were at the swamp watching Kentucky (Levis) vs Florida (Richardson) Unless the Giants go 2 wins, they will not be in any position to draft Bryce Young. Thank you. Wanting him isn’t nearly enough to get him.
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Post by bavarobeast on Sept 12, 2022 11:17:23 GMT -5
Joe Schoen, and 20 plus scouts from 15 teams were at the swamp watching Kentucky (Levis) vs Florida (Richardson) Unless the Giants go 2 wins, they will not be in any position to draft Bryce Young. Thank you. Wanting him isn’t nearly enough to get him. Living in the south I watch these SEC guys every week. You are correct about Bryce. Levis looks like an NFL QB but his play appears pretty ho hum to me. Maybe I will change my opinion as the season goes on. Richardson is nowhere near ready to play in the NFL. Plenty of QB’s more talented and prepared than him. Stetson Bennett to name 1.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 12, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
I watched the game . He was hearing footsteps for 3 quarters. He should have gotten sacked on Bamas' last drive. Bama barely beat an inferior opponent. Tennessee's front is going to eat him on Oct 15th. IMO: He is too much like Vince Young Me I like Levis in the 1stIn the 3rd I would take Chase Brice with no reservation . He does not have a great team around him. He places his team in a position to win. How early in the first?
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Post by TEM on Sept 12, 2022 11:33:49 GMT -5
I watched the game . He was hearing footsteps for 3 quarters. He should have gotten sacked on Bamas' last drive. Bama barely beat an inferior opponent. Tennessee's front is going to eat him on Oct 15th. IMO: He is too much like Vince Young Me I like Levis in the 1stIn the 3rd I would take Chase Brice with no reservation . He does not have a great team around him. He places his team in a position to win. How early in the first? mid +
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Post by mendy on Sept 12, 2022 12:39:53 GMT -5
Yesterday in Texas, Bryce Young showed why he might be the best QB prospect for the 2023 NFL draft. Giant fans might want to keep an eye on the Alabama QB this year. Shoen announced he is scouting Bo Callahan from Wisconsin next.
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Post by redeyejedi on Sept 13, 2022 6:20:00 GMT -5
I thought Will Levis looked good. Statistics don't tell the whole story. Cutting up the game now. I see high level NFL ability from Levis. Great in play action, huge arm, large frame that can absorb hits. Mixes velocity and arm ball placement to keep receivers out of harms way. I see a lot to like from Levis. It's early and someone else may emerge as the season goes on but right now I see more translatable traits from Levis than the other top QB's. I thought he missed some throws that could have made that game a little easier then it was, I don't re watch much anymore but i trust your assessment have I know redeye has pretty good feel fro the college game . As the game wore on he got shakier. I'm going to post it. I still think Levis has a lot to offer. He also benefits from good coaching. His offensive coordinator was Jimmy Garoppolo's QB coach in SF.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2022 6:34:22 GMT -5
I thought he missed some throws that could have made that game a little easier then it was, I don't re watch much anymore but i trust your assessment have I know redeye has pretty good feel fro the college game . As the game wore on he got shakier. I'm going to post it. I still think Levis has a lot to offer. He also benefits from good coaching. His offensive coordinator was Jimmy Garoppolo's QB coach in SF. Interesting I thought he did show toughness and some poise he was taking shots and still delivering he's from my home state up the line a bit.
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Post by Nite on Sept 13, 2022 7:33:23 GMT -5
Now you're going into modern day meltdown mode which is not necessary. I get my knowledge from Stephen A Smith blah blah. Enjoy your pep rally and likes. You can do it...it's even in Madden Stephen A Ranger...what would be your first take? Clue Why the fudge do I even have cable??? Good shtuff...
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Post by Nite on Sept 13, 2022 7:37:37 GMT -5
Might I remind folks that the best scenario is that Jones balls out, and we spend next year’s draft capitol on other needs, like CB, interior line, etc. I know the new regime didn’t draft him, but after working with him for a season they could learn to like him if he comes through. Oh man....don't have much money for the collection plate this week. Can I give you a K-mart coupon and a Royal Farms Bonus Rewards card? (only used twice)
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