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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 11:07:59 GMT -5
If those sacks aren't counted for this stat then it's a stupid one.. MY bad RT, you are correct. QB pressures include sacks. I just looked it up. It's all good just didn't make sense not to include them..
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 11:14:27 GMT -5
MY bad RT, you are correct. QB pressures include sacks. I just looked it up. It's all good just didn't make sense not to include them.. Touch downs are also considered first downs, although who ever thought of that statistically or the reason to celebrate?
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2022 11:16:59 GMT -5
Evan Neal did not look bad in his debut.. already seeing ppl complain and nitpick him in the twitterverse. Kids going to be fine, but theres going to be some ugly stuff along the way..
not bad for his first NFL game
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2022 11:22:16 GMT -5
I don't get Neal let up 1 or 2 pressures missed s few blocks but had some good ones in the run game how does he get a 40 Besides that, it looks pretty accurate. I think Jones was pressured on about 69% of his drop backs and I don't even think that includes the 5 sacks that he took. The line looked pretty terrible. Thought they settled in second half pretty good the Titans looked like Winks was running early rushing 5 and 6 a lot inside games think the OL coach did a nice job adjusting in the second a half.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 13, 2022 11:24:14 GMT -5
Ezuedu had a carbon copy performance of some of Lemiuex's first few games. Good run blocking, bad pass protection. PFF gave him the 0.0 on PP. Which I have no idea how they grade a "0" unless the player was off the field during the play.
Bredeson was a little better in pass pro, not as good in run blocking. I think Ezuedo is the future though.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2022 11:29:19 GMT -5
Evan Neal did not look bad in his debut.. already seeing ppl complain and nitpick him in the twitterverse. Kids going to be fine, but theres going to be some ugly stuff along the way.. not bad for his first NFL game It's the kid's first ever real NFL snaps, lol. He did fine. Especially going up against Dupree a lot of the day. exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 11:37:24 GMT -5
It's all good just didn't make sense not to include them.. Touch downs are also considered first downs, although who ever thought of that statistically or the reason to celebrate? I didn't know that.. Thanks
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2022 11:52:27 GMT -5
It's all good just didn't make sense not to include them.. Touch downs are also considered first downs, although who ever thought of that statistically or the reason to celebrate? good to know thanks Jimmy
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 12:08:41 GMT -5
Touch downs are also considered first downs, although who ever thought of that statistically or the reason to celebrate? I didn't know that.. Thanks Hahaha - the one time that I can actually provide something you guys didn't already know, and who would really care?
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 13, 2022 12:16:28 GMT -5
They have proven to be nothing but nonsense. But never forget, if you have to pay for something then it must have value. No wonder this forum is free access. Oh, you mean you're only using the free service?
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Post by thetruth on Sept 13, 2022 12:33:33 GMT -5
I don't have a PFF account so I haven't verified these scores. Jones got pressured on 69% of his passes so this makes sense How much of it was Jones holding the ball for over 3 seconds per dropback? PFF incorporated a lot of those pressures on DJ which reflects in his grade Slow processing is not a good thing. Right gunner?
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Post by jb456 on Sept 13, 2022 13:20:28 GMT -5
Jones got pressured on 69% of his passes so this makes sense How much of it was Jones holding the ball for over 3 seconds per dropback? PFF incorporated a lot of those pressures on DJ which reflects in his grade Slow processing is not a good thing. Right gunner? It actually looked like he was getting the ball out quick. How many unblocked pass rushers did you see in the first 3 offensive series of the game? 3 / 4?
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 13, 2022 13:31:38 GMT -5
Thomas graded high, The rest very low score!
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 13, 2022 15:33:48 GMT -5
Oh, you mean you're only using the free service? There's a premium access? No wonder the content I see is pedestrian.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 13, 2022 15:52:26 GMT -5
Ezuedu had a carbon copy performance of some of Lemiuex's first few games. Good run blocking, bad pass protection. PFF gave him the 0.0 on PP. Which I have no idea how they grade a "0" unless the player was off the field during the play. Bredeson was a little better in pass pro, not as good in run blocking. I think Ezuedo is the future though.
What exactly is gained from looking at these points?
Does anyone truly believe that the players did better or worse based on a PFF score over what you saw for yourself?
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2022 16:02:02 GMT -5
Oh, you mean you're only using the free service? There's a premium access? No wonder the content I see is pedestrian. If you use the premium service you get a lap dance with every post.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 13, 2022 16:17:35 GMT -5
Ezuedu had a carbon copy performance of some of Lemiuex's first few games. Good run blocking, bad pass protection. PFF gave him the 0.0 on PP. Which I have no idea how they grade a "0" unless the player was off the field during the play. Bredeson was a little better in pass pro, not as good in run blocking. I think Ezuedo is the future though.
What exactly is gained from looking at these points?
Does anyone truly believe that the players did better or worse based on a PFF score over what you saw for yourself?
I believe players looks at their PFF grade when they’re severely constipated. Imagine leaving it all on the field, and playing the game of your life. When some schmuck in an office gave you a bad grade due to not wrapping up on a tackle in the 2nd quarter.
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 13, 2022 16:39:16 GMT -5
Ezuedu had a carbon copy performance of some of Lemiuex's first few games. Good run blocking, bad pass protection. PFF gave him the 0.0 on PP. Which I have no idea how they grade a "0" unless the player was off the field during the play. Bredeson was a little better in pass pro, not as good in run blocking. I think Ezuedo is the future though.
What exactly is gained from looking at these points?
Does anyone truly believe that the players did better or worse based on a PFF score over what you saw for yourself?
Not sure it’s meant to be an end all be all grade. Just a play by play summary. I’m sure most of the OL graded had plays of 80+ throughout the game.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 13, 2022 16:53:03 GMT -5
Sickening to think we had a weapon sitting back there that could change a game at anytime and they couldn't even move the needle, in the end got him beat up. Just like Jones also, he might not be the guy but you can't develop aQB facing pressure like he did the other day game in and game out for 3 years. I believe this OL is on the right track and the passpro willl come along as the year goes on. your post is 100% on he money. Very well said. I saw a few fans write that Jones was antsy in the pocket and has to learn to let passing plays develop. K. What Giants team have you been watching the last 4 years? How that kid isn’t walking around with multiple flinches/ticks is beyond me. I think the o line will absolutely improve its pass pro by the end of the year, (as long as it can stay healthy), but Jones might be permanently wrecked regardless. Which is a shame. In the end, this o line looks and feels like it will finally be competent, and while we still have 16 games to go I’m already looking forward to this FO adding more depth and FAs to make injuries less catastrophic for this unit. I think you're both exactly right. Last year's OL was the worst I've ever seen in Pro ball in more than 50 years. Because of it we truly have no clue what Jones, Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Shepard. et al are capable of. It was the most dysfunctional O I've ever seen, and it all starts with the Oline. People say Defense wins SPB's. No, the best Oline will usually win. The first half was horrified me. It looked like 2021 all over again. But they steadied after half time. When was the last time we saw adjustments and improvement in a 2nd half? Think about this... I think I'm right... we had more holes for our runners this Sunday than we had in 17 total games last year. It's actually difficult to imagine a single decent hole in the entirety of last year. And it all starts with coaching. Not only did the coaches suck, but they committed the mortal sin of Pro Ball... the coach(s) weren't playing to win. I think these new coaches will do a good job for us all. DJ was already upset with himself when Dab's came to him on the sideline. It became a hi-lite for many Sports shows after the games. You have to hope DJ finds confidence with this line, and with himself. If Dab's is the guy I think he is, he'll find a few opportunities this week to throw some nice compliments DJ's way.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 13, 2022 18:10:49 GMT -5
Ezuedu had a carbon copy performance of some of Lemiuex's first few games. Good run blocking, bad pass protection. PFF gave him the 0.0 on PP. Which I have no idea how they grade a "0" unless the player was off the field during the play. Bredeson was a little better in pass pro, not as good in run blocking. I think Ezuedo is the future though.
What exactly is gained from looking at these points?
Does anyone truly believe that the players did better or worse based on a PFF score over what you saw for yourself? Absolutely not. But if anyone watched Ezuedu, or some of the breakdowns of the OL, (I prefer Skinner) you don't need PFF to see that he was significantly better in run blocking than pass protection. Sometimes the scores make no sense, I think they got it generally right here.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 13, 2022 18:17:06 GMT -5
Talkin Giants Offensive Line Report
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 18:48:39 GMT -5
Don't know if Calitro should be bashed for not staying with Hilliard on his first touchdown pass. As Hilliard so much faster. Did seem like Titans kept other safeties occupied so they couldn't help out. Maybe it was just a good well-designed play.
Did think Crowder neither lined up enough outside nor reacted fast enough when Hilliard went toward the sideline line, caught the ball, and scored a touchdown.
Anyone have any thoughts on those two plays?
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 13, 2022 18:55:32 GMT -5
Ezudu looked awful in pass blocking but in his defense he was lined up against a Pro Bowler a lot.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 13, 2022 19:23:02 GMT -5
What exactly is gained from looking at these points?
Does anyone truly believe that the players did better or worse based on a PFF score over what you saw for yourself? Absolutely not. But if anyone watched Ezuedu, or some of the breakdowns of the OL, (I prefer Skinner) you don't need PFF to see that he was significantly better in run blocking than pass protection. Sometimes the scores make no sense, I think they got it generally right here.
Using PFF's standard, if they 'sometimes five scores that make no sense' then they themselves deserve a lousy grade.
Let's face it, it's football and it's not very difficult to ascertain who the good players/teams are from the bad ones.
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