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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 9:22:24 GMT -5
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 28, 2023 9:39:44 GMT -5
I'm good with it. He had the tools to be a really good corner, and it's one of our biggest areas of need.
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Post by PennState1 on Apr 28, 2023 9:43:44 GMT -5
I trust the guys in charge (for the first time in a long time) so I’ll just kick back and enjoy. Having said that, I hope they solidify the middle of the OL so Our QB has time and our RB has holes to run through
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Apr 28, 2023 9:44:31 GMT -5
Moving up 1 spot to guarantee your guy, and only giving up a 5 and 7 is good. Clearly he was graded much higher than Joey Porter Jr.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 10:11:04 GMT -5
I'm good with it. He had the tools to be a really good corner, and it's one of our biggest areas of need. Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 28, 2023 10:28:54 GMT -5
I'm good with it. He had the tools to be a really good corner, and it's one of our biggest areas of need. Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+ if the trade up is like yesterday's I'm ok with it. If we do so and give up a significant pick to do so, I won't be so happy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 10:31:34 GMT -5
I give them an A They traded up 1 pick by the reaction of Wink this the guy they coveted the thing with Banks he has all the things that can't be taught you have to be born that way.
It is hard to find CBs that have great hips and a 42 " vertical 11'4" broad jump 4.35 forty and Insane 3cone and shuttles.
After watching Reese getbjumped twice in the first round of the same draft and Gettlemen the most recent one to sit on his hands while the Eagle and Cowboys played games.
I'm happy Schoen researched the teams around us and their needs even tracked who they had in for 30s and school visits and such and set his plan up ahead of time to make sure when their time came he would get his man not have a panicked fire drill that got us Eli Apple.
I'm sure looking at what his traits are that they were concerned and may have been tipped that there was someone lurking.
They did what had to be done to make sure we got the guy our DC obviously loved, there for it's an A for sparing us the embarrassment of once again looking clueless while teams do business around us.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 28, 2023 10:33:39 GMT -5
I like it. Needed CB. He'll struggle, but they're betting on projection/promise with banks. Don't care about the trade at all it's an over reaction by fans imo, but I get it. There board was collapsing, cowboys were rumored to want banks and were thinking of trading, and other team could've wanted him.
We've been jumped so much over the years in recent memory and getting screwed I.E Apple. Do what you gotta do.
There were better players on the board, but it was a need and he's not going to be an impact player likely at all in his first season for that they get a B (for long term thinking)
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 10:34:08 GMT -5
I give them an A They traded up 1 pick by the reaction of Wink this the guy they coveted the thing with Banks he has all the things that can't be taught you have to be born that way. It is hard to find CBs that have great hips and a 42 " vertical 11'4" broad jump 4.35 forty and Insane 3cone and shuttles. After watching Reese getbjumped twice in the first round of the same draft and Gettlemen the most recent one to sit on his hands while the Eagle and Cowboys played games. I'm happy Schoen researched the teams around us and their needs even tracked who they had in for 30s and school visits and such and set his plan up ahead of time to make sure when their time came he would get his man not have a panicked fire drill that got us Eli Apple. I'm sure looking at what his traits are that they were concerned and may have been tipped that there was someone lurking. They did what had to be done to make sure we got the guy our DC obviously loved, there for it's an A for sparing us the embarrassment of once again looking clueless while teams do business around us. Was it you that had Banks as your guy in Rd1? Good call if so!
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 28, 2023 10:34:30 GMT -5
I was a Torrence guy, but we had so many needs and who knows what their plans are with the UNC guys they drafted last year. Still, I'm good all the way around on this. They wanted Banks bad enough that they didn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Contrary to our beliefs, I am pretty sure that most teams are aware of who teams are targeting. Schoen's intel made them feel the need to secure Banks. It was the guy they wanted and they did what they felt they had to do to get him. Just like any player ever drafted, we'll have to wait and see, but they were genuinely happy that he was picked. They didn't want Porter and they didn't want anyone else...that was obvious.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 11:06:22 GMT -5
I like it. Needed CB. He'll struggle, but they're betting on projection/promise with banks. Don't care about the trade at all it's an over reaction by fans imo, but I get it. There board was collapsing, cowboys were rumored to want banks and were thinking of trading, and other team could've wanted him. We've been jumped so much over the years in recent memory and getting screwed I.E Apple. Do what you gotta do. There were better players on the board, but it was a need and he's not going to be an impact player likely at all in his first season for that they get a B (for long term thinking) He is a 24th pick not a Sauce Gardner top 5 actually if Sauce got to us we might be looking pass rusher. Banks is more the CB version of Nolan Smith great traits some good film and some bad I'm looking for Jerome Henderson to take this kid to the next level. As you said it will take time but he is on a cost controlled contract right now and we have 5 years of control really 6.
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Post by TEM on Apr 28, 2023 11:06:55 GMT -5
www.giants.com/news/cornerback-deonte-banks-maryland-terrapins-first-round-trade-nfl-draft-2023Dan Kelly (The Ringer) Grade: A- "The former Maryland star is a twitchy athlete with good size who plays with anticipation in coverage." Charles McDonald (Yahoo Sports) Grade: A- "Deonte Banks is the perfect type of cornerback for Wink Martindale's scheme. He can strap up in man coverage, which is essential for the blitz-happy defensive coordinator. Banks isn't a perfect fit for every team, but he certainly is for this one." Mel Kiper (ESPN) "Cornerback Deonte Banks is a nice pickup for the Giants. ... Banks is fast and tough. He did not allow a catch of over 30 yards all season. The Giants got him at No. 24, and he's No. 20 in my rankings." PFF Grade: Very Good "The third-best cornerback on the PFF big board, Banks can fly and clocked a 4.35-second 40-yard dash at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. An elite athlete, he has proven that he can mirror wide receivers in college and has the size teams look for at the position. He produced a 72.0 PFF grade in his final season at Maryland, the best of his college career." Chad Reuter (NFL.com) Grade: B+ "The Giants traded two Day 3 picks to move up from No. 25 to No. 24 to select Banks, a nice size/speed combination prospect who looked fluid during workouts at the NFL Scouting Combine. He'll likely line up outside as a rookie to bolster that group." Pete Prisco (CBS Sports) Grade: B+ "He's an impressive man-cover player who will fit in perfectly with Wink Martindale's defense. Banks is a cocky player who played his best against good players. I like this pick." Gilberto Manzano (Sports Illustrated) Grade: B+ "The Giants filled a need in the secondary with the addition of Banks, who could develop into a quality outside cornerback because of his size and speed." The 33rd team Grade: B+ "Banks is a physical corner with ideal size and high-level athletic tools."
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 28, 2023 11:08:43 GMT -5
I like the player. I'm glad it wasn't better than a 5th and 7th so I'm ok with the trade. If it was a 4th or earlier I would've been pissed. Porter Jr. was there too but I'm guessing Banks was the last of the top tier guys for them and was head and shoulders above Porter in their assessment.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 11:09:17 GMT -5
I was a Torrence guy, but we had so many needs and who knows what their plans are with the UNC guys they drafted last year. Still, I'm good all the way around on this. They wanted Banks bad enough that they didn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Contrary to our beliefs, I am pretty sure that most teams are aware of who teams are targeting. Schoen's intel made them feel the need to secure Banks. It was the guy they wanted and they did what they felt they had to do to get him. Just like any player ever drafted, we'll have to wait and see, but they were genuinely happy that he was picked. They didn't want Porter and they didn't want anyone else...that was obvious. NC has another guard in zavala I have little info on him except he is another big time traits guy over athletic for a guard he should be picked 2nd through the 4th.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 11:53:29 GMT -5
I was a Torrence guy, but we had so many needs and who knows what their plans are with the UNC guys they drafted last year. Still, I'm good all the way around on this. They wanted Banks bad enough that they didn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Contrary to our beliefs, I am pretty sure that most teams are aware of who teams are targeting. Schoen's intel made them feel the need to secure Banks. It was the guy they wanted and they did what they felt they had to do to get him. Just like any player ever drafted, we'll have to wait and see, but they were genuinely happy that he was picked. They didn't want Porter and they didn't want anyone else...that was obvious. NC has another guard in zavala I have little info on him except he is another big time traits guy over athletic for a guard he should be picked 2nd through the 4th. He could be a solid pickup. State has had a solid running game the last couple of years with multiple RBs having success, and Zavala was a part of that unit opening those holes. I also read he didn't give up a single sack the last two seasons in pass protection. As a State fan, even I didn't realize that. I'm all for bolstering the IOL and would have zero issue drafting Zavala. Bring it on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 12:08:24 GMT -5
I was a Torrence guy, but we had so many needs and who knows what their plans are with the UNC guys they drafted last year. Still, I'm good all the way around on this. They wanted Banks bad enough that they didn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Contrary to our beliefs, I am pretty sure that most teams are aware of who teams are targeting. Schoen's intel made them feel the need to secure Banks. It was the guy they wanted and they did what they felt they had to do to get him. Just like any player ever drafted, we'll have to wait and see, but they were genuinely happy that he was picked. They didn't want Porter and they didn't want anyone else...that was obvious. NC has another guard in zavala I have little info on him except he is another big time traits guy over athletic for a guard he should be picked 2nd through the 4th. This scouting report was bogus he is decent more underrated guy than draft able I believe the Giants had him in.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 12:10:22 GMT -5
NC has another guard in zavala I have little info on him except he is another big time traits guy over athletic for a guard he should be picked 2nd through the 4th. He could be a solid pickup. State has had a solid running game the last couple of years with multiple RBs having success, and Zavala was a part of that unit opening those holes. I also read he didn't give up a single sack the last two seasons in pass protection. As a State fan, even I didn't realize that. I'm all for bolstering the IOL and would have zero issue drafting Zavala. Bring it on. yea I'm confused with this player some great reports I think he might be alate round dude even undrafted not sure tho.
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Post by Bigjeep on Apr 28, 2023 12:15:00 GMT -5
For where we picked at 24, we did good! A+
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Apr 28, 2023 13:43:01 GMT -5
Not the CB I thought they’d take but the more I read on Banks the more I see he is a good pick here. As for the trade I’m not going to kill them over it. We don’t know who might’ve wanted to get banks and a couple of later rounders aren’t going to kill the team
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Post by Analyst on Apr 28, 2023 13:49:37 GMT -5
Im good with it.
These guys still get the benefit of the doubt.
Wish we were able to maneuver up for Gonzalez when he slipped, but it is what it is.
They like this guy, hope its better than the last 3 CBs we have taken in the 1st round.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Apr 28, 2023 17:33:17 GMT -5
Happy with the player. Made sense to take a CB with our team needs and where the percieved talent in the draft was/is.
Bit bummed that Captain Jack got taken already. Can't believe anyone thought he would be a 3rd rounder.
Hate that the Eagles added too much talent to an already loaded team.
If I was making the pick I would have had a hard time passing on Nolan Smith, but from watching Wink's reaction that man really wanted Banks.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 28, 2023 17:53:56 GMT -5
LOVE the pic
Don't love that we traded up 1 spot with so many prospects on the board.
Hopeful, when Wink showed how happy he was it made me excited.
I know we needed a press-man CB, but I had Porter ranked so high I didn't think he was an option. Banks is 1 of the best man CBs in the draft with tons of athletic potential.
I WOULD however trade up in the 2nd to get Torrence, Tippmann or Schmitz
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 18:08:32 GMT -5
I was a Torrence guy, but we had so many needs and who knows what their plans are with the UNC guys they drafted last year. Still, I'm good all the way around on this. They wanted Banks bad enough that they didn't want anyone to jump in front of them. Contrary to our beliefs, I am pretty sure that most teams are aware of who teams are targeting. Schoen's intel made them feel the need to secure Banks. It was the guy they wanted and they did what they felt they had to do to get him. Just like any player ever drafted, we'll have to wait and see, but they were genuinely happy that he was picked. They didn't want Porter and they didn't want anyone else...that was obvious. I always have 2 to 4 guys I'd be happy with Banks for me was my #1 because corner to me was a huge need Torrence was my only interior guy in the first that I wanted, wouldn't have minded Will McDonald was my Edge
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2023 18:11:48 GMT -5
LOVE the pic Don't love that we traded up 1 spot with so many prospects on the board. Hopeful, when Wink showed how happy he was it made me excited. I know we needed a press-man CB, but I had Porter ranked so high I didn't think he was an option. Banks is 1 of the best man CBs in the draft with tons of athletic potential. I WOULD however trade up in the 2nd to get Torrence, Tippmann or Schmitz If they do I think Tippman at center only because he is most athletic and the biggest at 323 LBS fro me if it's Guard and they can get up their Torrence or Avila.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2023 18:18:32 GMT -5
LOVE the pic Don't love that we traded up 1 spot with so many prospects on the board. Hopeful, when Wink showed how happy he was it made me excited. I know we needed a press-man CB, but I had Porter ranked so high I didn't think he was an option. Banks is 1 of the best man CBs in the draft with tons of athletic potential. I WOULD however trade up in the 2nd to get Torrence, Tippmann or Schmitz Jordan Ranaan said before the draft that the Giants weren’t high on Porter. 🤷♂️
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2023 18:23:14 GMT -5
I'm good with it. He had the tools to be a really good corner, and it's one of our biggest areas of need. Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+ Hate the trade even with the Giants’ draft history of getting leap-frogged for players they want? I loved the move
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 18:35:00 GMT -5
Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+ Hate the trade even with the Giants’ draft history of getting leap-frogged for players they want? I loved the move Yea, I just don't like trading up in Rd1. Especially with the number of holes we have on this roster. At that time, I believe trading back to acquire additional day-2 picks was our best bet. If we stayed at #25 and a team happened to trade up to draft Banks ahead of us, there were other players I would've been happy with. If the kid lives up to his physical traits then nobody, including myself, will care/remember what we gave up to get him.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2023 18:36:00 GMT -5
Damn....there goes Avila.
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Post by nobait4me on Apr 29, 2023 14:00:23 GMT -5
I'm good with it. He had the tools to be a really good corner, and it's one of our biggest areas of need. Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+ You May not have been paying attention, but the Giants could not afford to pay all the rookies if they used all draft picks, they did not have enough cap space. You cannot guarantee that the 5th round pick makes the roster much less be a starter. We have drafted 3 starters so far, it's about quality not quantity.
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 29, 2023 14:42:49 GMT -5
Agreed, the kid has incredible tools and I like the fact that he won't be forced into the CB1 role out of the gate. A lot of Rd1 CBs struggle comin out of college because they're forced to cover NFL WR1s from day-1. Allowing Banks to baby step the process a bit should only help. He also seems to be a great fit for Martindale. I loved seeing that hug from the war room.....Martindale looked ecstatic. Prior to the draft, I didn't think there was a player worth trading up for and that opinion hasn't changed. We didn't give up a lot for Banks, per se, but there's value in 5th round picks. Especially at positions like IOL, which is a huge need that continues to get bigger the more the Eagles bolster their Front-7. With the value still on the board, I just didn't see a need to move up. If anything, we should've traded back. On a side note, there are rumors floating around that we may trade up again in Rd2. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. If it does, I think it highlights the idea that trading back in Rd1 was the best move for us. Considering all the holes on this roster, why trade up in Rd2 for a player we could've traded back for in Rd1? Player: A- Trade: F Overall: C+ You May not have been paying attention, but the Giants could not afford to pay all the rookies if they used all draft picks, they did not have enough cap space. You cannot guarantee that the 5th round pick makes the roster much less be a starter. We have drafted 3 starters so far, it's about quality not quantity. Ummm, I think that Schoen had the picks budgeted in since rookies are capped
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