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Post by Analyst on Dec 30, 2023 13:01:26 GMT -5
WTF are the Knicks thinking?
Jesus. Right when I want to start enjoying them again they go back to a miserably run franchise.
Trading RJ and Quickly.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 30, 2023 14:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 30, 2023 14:11:13 GMT -5
They prefer OG over Barrett which they should. They got 3 more seasons of RJ at 28 per off the books. Quickley is an FA after the season so they can revisit. They got a better player and financial flexibility and the cost of some picks and Quick. Also they got more bench size in Achiuwa which they need. I believe this will be the first of 2 big moves.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 30, 2023 14:51:58 GMT -5
They prefer OG over Barrett which they should. They got 3 more seasons of RJ at 28 per off the books. Quickley is an FA after the season so they can revisit. They got a better player and financial flexibility and the cost of some picks and Quick. Also they got more bench size in Achiuwa which they need. I believe this will be the first of 2 big moves. You might be right about Obi, but you arent right here. Knicks just dealt 2 of their top 4 scorers for a player that scores less and is a few years older. OG averages 11.8 points in his career. And 4.3 rebounds. RJ averages 18.2 points and 5.2 rebounds, and is 23 years old. Quickley has been great this year and needed more playing time. He was averaging 15 points in 24 minutes. He was the heart beat nearly every game I saw outside of Brunson. What other trade would they try for?
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 30, 2023 15:28:40 GMT -5
They prefer OG over Barrett which they should. They got 3 more seasons of RJ at 28 per off the books. Quickley is an FA after the season so they can revisit. They got a better player and financial flexibility and the cost of some picks and Quick. Also they got more bench size in Achiuwa which they need. I believe this will be the first of 2 big moves. You might be right about Obi, but you arent right here. Knicks just dealt 2 of their top 4 scorers for a player that scores less and is a few years older. OG averages 11.8 points in his career. And 4.3 rebounds. RJ averages 18.2 points and 5.2 rebounds, and is 23 years old. Quickley has been great this year and needed more playing time. He was averaging 15 points in 24 minutes. He was the heart beat nearly every game I saw outside of Brunson. What other trade would they try for? You can judge my opinion after it plays out. I’m familiar with OG, and hey have been in on him for a long time(as have many teams). Also the way he’s playing this year that 28 mil per for Barrett is more like an Albatross than a contract. What other trades? Spider perhaps or Markkanen.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 30, 2023 15:35:40 GMT -5
Quickly was getting reduced PT due to DeVincenzo. Precious is originally from NYC. But, he is not a center listed at 6ft 8in. 240 lbs. Flynn a former No. 1 draft pick listed at 6ft 1in. Knicks had to make a trade , there lineup was stagnent up front. Thibs wants defense OG gives them that and more mobility. Barrett will fit in good with Toronto and there fans.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 30, 2023 15:54:02 GMT -5
Quickly was getting reduced PT due to DeVincenzo. Precious is originally from NYC. But, he is not a center listed at 6ft 8in. 240 lbs. Flynn a former No. 1 draft pick listed at 6ft 1in. Knicks had to make a trade , there lineup was stagnent up front. Thibs wants defense OG gives them that and more mobility. Barrett will fit in good with Toronto and there fans. He’s a true stretch 3 and it’s a trade that clears up the SG log jam.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 30, 2023 16:01:06 GMT -5
New York Knicks: A-
This is an interesting trade for many reasons, not least the Knicks playing against their history by prioritizing a role player who's effective at both ends of the court over bigger names potentially available for trade.
Too often throughout New York's history of underperforming its market, the Knicks have gone after All-Stars just as they're about to hit the decline phase of their career, from Bob McAdoo to Amar'e Stoudemire. Having peaked at 17.1 PPG, Anunoby is both not that kind of star and, at age 26, just reaching his NBA peak.
Anunoby gives the Knicks the ace perimeter defender they've lacked in the Tom Thibodeau era. An All-Defensive second team pick a year ago, Anunoby was frankly still probably underrated at that end of the court after leading the league in steals per game. I had him on my first team.
Offensively, New York is giving up a lot of shot creation in this deal. Barrett (27%) and Quickley (24%) were third and fourth on the team in usage, respectively, behind leading scorers Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. Only once in his career has Anunoby's usage rate been higher than league average (20%), and it's down a bit to 18% this season as Toronto has shifted more of its offense to ascending star Scottie Barnes.
In terms of the starting lineup, that's surely not a bad thing. Barrett has never scored with anything approaching league-average efficiency. This season's .536 true shooting percentage, a career high, still ranks 52nd of the 57 NBA regulars who have a usage rate of 25% or higher this season. A 34% career 3-point shooter (33% this season), Barrett did little to space the court for Brunson and Randle. Opponents will have to give more respect to Anunoby, who's at 37.4% this season and 37.5% for his career.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 30, 2023 16:06:13 GMT -5
Most of the sports sites are saying the Knicks did pretty well with this trade. He's an excellent defender, which fits Thibs' style. I'll hold off on judgement, as I'm not that familiar with him. RJ was kind of a disappointment, but I really liked Quickly (not sure we'd resign him as an FA for next year though).
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 1, 2024 16:36:33 GMT -5
looking pretty good so far with the new lineup. I know its just the first game, but Anuoby seems to fit in really nicely.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 1, 2024 17:52:29 GMT -5
Nice win for sure, Wolves first in the West. For as physical as they allowed the game to be they called Anonuby for some real weak fouls. You can see why he fits. My biggest concern is McBride. If he is going to be JB’s backup he has to be better than he was today.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 1, 2024 17:54:53 GMT -5
looking pretty good so far with the new lineup. I know it’s just the first game, but Anuoby seems to fit in really nicely. Knicks were +19 when he was on the floor today. 😤
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 2, 2024 0:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 4, 2024 0:22:10 GMT -5
Solid W. Knicks +33 with Anunoby on the court tonight.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 4, 2024 11:42:32 GMT -5
Solid W. Knicks +33 with Anunoby on the court tonight. Still hate losing IQ but this kid has been solid for us so far. Hoping he keeps it up.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 4, 2024 11:44:49 GMT -5
Solid W. Knicks +33 with Anunoby on the court tonight. Still hate losing IQ but this kid has been solid for us so far. Hoping he keeps it up. He's a great fit with the rest of the starting line up, no doubt. I think he'll do better as he acclimates to his teammates and vice-versa.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 4, 2024 12:45:26 GMT -5
Solid W. Knicks +33 with Anunoby on the court tonight. Still hate losing IQ but this kid has been solid for us so far. Hoping he keeps it up. Quickley was never going to supplant Brunson so he was leaving after the season regardless. He wants to start. I will say we got to do something to spark that 2nd unit. It’s trash in 2 games without IQ.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 4, 2024 17:25:37 GMT -5
In the recent game against the Knicks:
DeMar DeRozan managed only 2 points on 1-of-3 shooting and recorded zero assists when defended by OG Anunoby🔒
However, when facing any other player from the New York team, DeMar DeRozan scored 26 points on an efficient 9-of-10 shooting and contributed four assists
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Post by Analyst on Jan 4, 2024 17:50:29 GMT -5
In the recent game against the Knicks: DeMar DeRozan managed only 2 points on 1-of-3 shooting and recorded zero assists when defended by OG Anunoby🔒 However, when facing any other player from the New York team, DeMar DeRozan scored 26 points on an efficient 9-of-10 shooting and contributed four assists Losing IQ hurts. I guess they traded offense for defense. Not really sure that will work out in the playoffs. Time will tell.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 5, 2024 19:28:29 GMT -5
Big game for the bockers tonight. Love it when they’re on TV.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 5, 2024 22:06:07 GMT -5
128-92? My goodness! Let’s go Knicks!!
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 5, 2024 22:10:17 GMT -5
128-92? My goodness! Let’s go Knicks!! Holy crap!!
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 5, 2024 22:31:36 GMT -5
dayum, what a game!!!
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 5, 2024 22:47:33 GMT -5
3 games for OG, +77. That’s wild. Defense matters, in a day and age where teams don’t allow <100 we are averaging a hair under in these last 3 games. And it’s been some solid competition.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 6, 2024 8:22:46 GMT -5
3 games for OG, +77. That’s wild. Defense matters, in a day and age where teams don’t allow <100 we are averaging a hair under in these last 3 games. And it’s been some solid competition. I watch the games I can living in NC, but last night the tempo on offense, the ball movement, and the willingness to attack the rim was the best I’ve seen in some time. Everything was quicker. One of my biggest gripes with the Knicks since they’ve become relevant again has been their tendency to go isolation. The ball constantly stops moving. I typically blamed Randle for hogging the ball, but last night made me wonder if RJ was the actual problem. We looked like a different team without him and Randle was playing with a good flow. I knew nothing about OG prior to the trade, but this is already looking like a win for the Knicks. We hadn’t even gotten to half time last night and I thought OG looked head and shoulders better than anything I’d seen from Barrett. He was more decisive with the ball. He was quicker to attack the rim and he did so with more ferocity. He was a better defender and can legit guard multiple positions. I’m getting ahead of myself but he seems like the perfect fit for what we’ve needed.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 6, 2024 8:54:18 GMT -5
3 games for OG, +77. That’s wild. Defense matters, in a day and age where teams don’t allow <100 we are averaging a hair under in these last 3 games. And it’s been some solid competition. I watch the games I can living in NC, but last night the tempo on offense, the ball movement, and the willingness to attack the rim was the best I’ve seen in some time. Everything was quicker. One of my biggest gripes with the Knicks since they’ve become relevant again has been their tendency to go isolation. The ball constantly stops moving. I typically blamed Randle for hogging the ball, but last night made me wonder if RJ was the actual problem. We looked like a different team without him and Randle was playing with a good flow. I knew nothing about OG prior to the trade, but this is already looking like a win for the Knicks. We hadn’t even gotten to half time last night and I thought OG looked head and shoulders better than anything I’d seen from Barrett. He was more decisive with the ball. He was quicker to attack the rim and he did so with more ferocity. He was a better defender and can legit guard multiple positions. I’m getting ahead of myself but he seems like the perfect fit for what we’ve needed. I think they said last night the Knicks attacked the 76ers in the defensive area where they are weakest which is transition defense. OG is a better fit and allows us to play the way Thibs loves. The rumors about Murray keep swirling. Before he went to the no defense outfit in Atlanta he was a tremendous defensive player on the Spurs. The craziest part about last night is that Randle was awful. At one point in the 3rd me and my son were yelling to get him off the court he was so bad.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 9, 2024 22:16:08 GMT -5
Some good teams faced, some bad. The consistent factor is the Knicks playing excellent D and moving the ball extremely well in offense. It’s been a pleasure to watch so far.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 10, 2024 0:57:59 GMT -5
Just turned on KnicksFanTV and it looked like an easy win. Can’t remember a time the Knicks looked this good.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 10, 2024 7:08:11 GMT -5
That trade is looking better and better for us every game, as the starters get used to each other. I can't remember the Knicks looking this good, probably have to go back to when Ewing was healthy.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 10, 2024 8:42:56 GMT -5
That trade is looking better and better for us every game, as the starters get used to each other. I can't remember the Knicks looking this good, probably have to go back to when Ewing was healthy. It’s not sustainable but +111 on 5 games is ridiculous for OG.
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