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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Aug 25, 2023 22:22:13 GMT -5
I think this a big mistake by the 49ers. I think Purdy is going to come back down to earth. It isn't going to be Purdy when it happens. And the Aha moment will ensue on why he was passed on 261 times. Toney Romos only happen one in 10,000. Well, there was this guy named Brady that was passed over 198 times.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Aug 25, 2023 22:27:30 GMT -5
One thing you have to give them credit for is not stubbornly trying to make something work for them that isn't. I respect that. Absolutely we saw that close up right here that was the down fall of the Giants roster to stubborn to draft over guys they missed on. I have to say Shanny knows his way around offense and QBs if Lance showed traits and ability that was can't miss think they would have found a way to make this work no team willing throws away talent at QB position. Definitely risks. If QB guru QB friendly Shanahan could not get anything outta physically talented Lance, the way he could win with Garoppolo and Purdy, what makes us think McCarthy- Schottenheimer will ? Why did QB guru Shanahan give up on him ? A 4th round pick for a backup QB that seems far more an athlete than he is a player ? Upsides is he can run and as a scout team QB Dallas can truly practice against a running QB who can mimic the QB's in the league that we have to play that are good RPO QB's. Also he has somewhat similar skillset as Dak and probably a better arm. Better arm than either Rush or Grier (#3). Also using Geno Smith as an example sometimes a change in "scenery" can change a player's fortunes. So giving up a 4th rd pick is a worthwhile gamble IMO. I have heard/read some rumors that he has a weak work ethic and in the NFL that won't cut it.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Aug 25, 2023 22:35:28 GMT -5
You are allowed to do that when you build a team like the 49ers have. They are loaded and probably going to the NFC Champ game again in 2023, If they were in the cellar, they would be getting called out for sure. Its why trading up for a QB is so dangerous. Im looking at Carolina right now with Bryce Young. I dont really see that unless Purdy is some type phenom. The kid is/was Mr. irrelevant, had zero pressure last season and probably played with half of the play book. He did extremely well but I could see him shitting the bed this season with high expectations etc. Last year he had zero to lose. This season is a whole different ball game. Who knows maybe he is a real NFL QB. if he is then yes they will be a very good team for sure. For me its just not a given. There really was no book on Purdy. Weaknesses will be found and game plans developed to exploit them. Copycat league that this is that will be built upon too. Unfortunately my Cowboys couldn't do that last year. I love Dan Quinn but I don't think his strength is building defensive game plans. It is evaluating and drafting talent to fit his attacking style schemes and he's good at that.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 25, 2023 22:37:35 GMT -5
Absolutely we saw that close up right here that was the down fall of the Giants roster to stubborn to draft over guys they missed on. I have to say Shanny knows his way around offense and QBs if Lance showed traits and ability that was can't miss think they would have found a way to make this work no team willing throws away talent at QB position. Atlanta with Brett Favre Chargers with Drew Brees and Eli Manning. Chargers with Philip Rivers. Couldn't help it.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 26, 2023 1:52:31 GMT -5
If the Cowboys keep this guy as their QB2, they are out of their minds. He is awful.
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Post by Analyst on Aug 26, 2023 5:41:43 GMT -5
If the Cowboys keep this guy as their QB2, they are out of their minds. He is awful. That's why I asked if they would keep 3 QBs. Rush is their backup.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 26, 2023 7:04:40 GMT -5
Lances stats in SF were not even bad for a inexperienced QB. 5tds 3 ints? I think some young QBs will be happy with those stats. Very strange situation.
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Post by TEM on Aug 26, 2023 7:08:24 GMT -5
I think this a big mistake by the 49ers. I think Purdy is going to come back down to earth. It isn't going to be Purdy when it happens. And the Aha moment will ensue on why he was passed on 261 times. Toney Romos only happen one in 10,000. Well, there was this guy named Brady that was passed over 198 times. There was a guy named Matt Flynn too. There are a 1000 of them for every Tom Brady. www.thesportster.com/nfl-quarterbacks-one-hit-wonder-seasons/#mark-sanchez-2011
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 26, 2023 9:50:55 GMT -5
Absolutely we saw that close up right here that was the down fall of the Giants roster to stubborn to draft over guys they missed on. I have to say Shanny knows his way around offense and QBs if Lance showed traits and ability that was can't miss think they would have found a way to make this work no team willing throws away talent at QB position. Definitely risks. If QB guru QB friendly Shanahan could not get anything outta physically talented Lance, the way he could win with Garoppolo and Purdy, what makes us think McCarthy- Schottenheimer will ? Why did QB guru Shanahan give up on him ? A 4th round pick for a backup QB that seems far more an athlete than he is a player ? Upsides is he can run and as a scout team QB Dallas can truly practice against a running QB who can mimic the QB's in the league that we have to play that are good RPO QB's. Also he has somewhat similar skillset as Dak and probably a better arm. Better arm than either Rush or Grier (#3). Also using Geno Smith as an example sometimes a change in "scenery" can change a player's fortunes. So giving up a 4th rd pick is a worthwhile gamble IMO. I have heard/read some rumors that he has a weak work ethic and in the NFL that won't cut it. He did not come from playing the top comp in college maybe in 2 years when Daks contract is up he might be ready. A 4th is fine he was the 3rd overall pick it's the media acting like they just got Arron Rodgers Clone thats stupid part.
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Post by Analyst on Aug 27, 2023 6:22:46 GMT -5
Dallas cut Will Grier. Looks like they will keep 3 QBs.
Dak Rush Lance
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 27, 2023 6:41:25 GMT -5
Dallas cut Will Grier. Looks like they will keep 3 QBs. Dak Rush Lance Grier is better than Lance right now
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 27, 2023 9:17:14 GMT -5
Absolutely we saw that close up right here that was the down fall of the Giants roster to stubborn to draft over guys they missed on. I have to say Shanny knows his way around offense and QBs if Lance showed traits and ability that was can't miss think they would have found a way to make this work no team willing throws away talent at QB position. Definitely risks. If QB guru QB friendly Shanahan could not get anything outta physically talented Lance, the way he could win with Garoppolo and Purdy, what makes us think McCarthy- Schottenheimer will ? Why did QB guru Shanahan give up on him ? A 4th round pick for a backup QB that seems far more an athlete than he is a player ? Upsides is he can run and as a scout team QB Dallas can truly practice against a running QB who can mimic the QB's in the league that we have to play that are good RPO QB's. Also he has somewhat similar skillset as Dak and probably a better arm. Better arm than either Rush or Grier (#3). Also using Geno Smith as an example sometimes a change in "scenery" can change a player's fortunes. So giving up a 4th rd pick is a worthwhile gamble IMO. I have heard/read some rumors that he has a weak work ethic and in the NFL that won't cut it. I think that Sam D beating him out for the backup spot speaks volumes.
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Post by Nite on Aug 27, 2023 9:20:32 GMT -5
Not a bad move for Dallas at all. It makes them more athletic at the back up QB spot and gives them someone with upside to develop. And he could always run back kickoff returns
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Aug 27, 2023 18:43:03 GMT -5
Dallas cut Will Grier. Looks like they will keep 3 QBs. Dak Rush Lance Grier is better than Lance right now Grier looked good last night with Dak calling plays. 457 total yards, 29/35 for 305, 2 TD's and 0 int's, rushed for 53 more yards. OF course I don't know how this would translate into a regular season game against NFL starters. Grier looked turrible his last 2 appearances in pre-season.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 27, 2023 20:14:27 GMT -5
Grier is better than Lance right now Grier looked good last night with Dak calling plays. 457 total yards, 29/35 for 305, 2 TD's and 0 int's, rushed for 53 more yards. OF course I don't know how this would translate into a regular season game against NFL starters. Grier looked turrible his last 2 appearances in pre-season. Lance has not had one good preseason performance….
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Aug 27, 2023 22:26:19 GMT -5
Grier looked good last night with Dak calling plays. 457 total yards, 29/35 for 305, 2 TD's and 0 int's, rushed for 53 more yards. OF course I don't know how this would translate into a regular season game against NFL starters. Grier looked turrible his last 2 appearances in pre-season. Lance has not had one good preseason performance…. meh, still worth the gamble. Especially if your player acquisition folks are above average at drafting and Dallas' is. It's a 4th round draft pick traded that'll be somewhere in the 120's probably. Not uncommon for mid round picks not to stick and even more so for QB's so even if he becomes just a solid backup then it's a win for Dallas. Always must be seeking new QB talent in this QB driven league. Just simply worth the gamble IMO.
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Post by odellhasfun on Aug 28, 2023 14:14:50 GMT -5
Jerry doesnt trade draft picks for backup qbs, this is sending a message to DAK
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Post by Analyst on Aug 28, 2023 16:56:18 GMT -5
Grier looked good last night with Dak calling plays. 457 total yards, 29/35 for 305, 2 TD's and 0 int's, rushed for 53 more yards. OF course I don't know how this would translate into a regular season game against NFL starters. Grier looked turrible his last 2 appearances in pre-season. Lance has not had one good preseason performance…. Not saying he can't turn into anything, but he has a long way to go before they can say he is something. And now they have to keep 3 QBs on their active roster.
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Post by Analyst on Aug 28, 2023 16:57:02 GMT -5
Jerry doesnt trade draft picks for backup qbs, this is sending a message to DAK How so? Would he bench Dak for Trey in the regular season?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 28, 2023 17:05:29 GMT -5
Lance has not had one good preseason performance…. Not saying he can't turn into anything, but he has a long way to go before they can say he is something. And now they have to keep 3 QBs on their active roster. Not sure what the plan is for him there. How does he develop as a 3rd string QB?
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Post by Analyst on Aug 28, 2023 17:18:53 GMT -5
Not saying he can't turn into anything, but he has a long way to go before they can say he is something. And now they have to keep 3 QBs on their active roster. Not sure what the plan is for him there. How does he develop as a 3rd string QB? He might go in games that are blowouts but not sure how you learn that way. If Dak gets hurt he is elevated to backup behind Rush I assume. I bet you see him take some reps with the #1s between games.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 28, 2023 17:36:28 GMT -5
Jerry doesnt trade draft picks for backup qbs, this is sending a message to DAK If Dak goes down during a close game, who is going in?
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 28, 2023 17:54:27 GMT -5
I personally think it's a solid move. While Cooper Rush is a decent backup, Lance has some untapped talent. Who knows maybe a change of scenery and Sam Darnold beating him out as the #2 will light a fire under his ass... Hopefully after the cows trade him
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Post by Dogecoin on Aug 28, 2023 19:37:43 GMT -5
Nice trade for them. Gave up relatively little for a guy another team thought was worth 3 1st round picks. He's still young and never really had a chance to start . No character issues either like a Johny money or Ryan leaf. Plus Dak sucks and it's worth building up some bench strength
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Post by devilsadvocate on Sept 6, 2023 12:40:08 GMT -5
Trading a 4th rounder for QB3? That is a distinct lack of value in my opinion. You can get a QB3 without trading back any asset. The 49er side of the equation is just an attempt to recoup anything at all after a massive failure by their talent evaluators.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 6, 2023 14:51:16 GMT -5
The 49ers have enough egg on their face that they can make an omelette.. They moved heaven and earth to draft Trey Lance. Flipped the bill on his salary.. Dallas is on the hook for mere peanuts. And traded him to a hated rival for a measly 4th round pick. The last time John Lynch got pantsed like this is when Barry Sanders broke his ankles.
With having him under control for two years Dallas can slowly build him up from scratch. He did absolutely nothing in San Francisco besides get hurt. So his confidence is buried in the Bay. With the noose getting tighter around Daks neck, and the team lock and loaded to make a run. This move which Jerry Jones did behind Mike McCarthys back. Is an insurance piece if Prescott shits the bed.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Sept 7, 2023 11:32:07 GMT -5
The 49ers have enough egg on their face that they can make an omelette.. They moved heaven and earth to draft Trey Lance. Flipped the bill on his salary.. Dallas is on the hook for mere peanuts. And traded him to a hated rival for a measly 4th round pick. The last time John Lynch got pantsed like this is when Barry Sanders broke his ankles. With having him under control for two years Dallas can slowly build him up from scratch. He did absolutely nothing in San Francisco besides get hurt. So his confidence is buried in the Bay. With the noose getting tighter around Daks neck, and the team lock and loaded to make a run. This move which Jerry Jones did behind Mike McCarthys back. Is an insurance piece if Prescott shits the bed. This is only insurance if Trey Lance dramatically improves. Right now, he is QB3. Making the leap to even QB2 is going to take a lot of work.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 7, 2023 12:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 7, 2023 19:05:20 GMT -5
Jerry doesnt trade draft picks for backup qbs, this is sending a message to DAK If Dak goes down during a close game, who is going in? Cooper Rush - he's the second string QB
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 7, 2023 19:51:54 GMT -5
Riding Dallas for taking a QB prospect with a 4th round trade shows a real lack of perception. He wasn't acquired to play this year (even if he might have to in the case of 2 Dallas QB injuries).
The fact that he looked bad in SF means something but doesn't mean Lance can't be coached up (thus the 4th round flier that Dallas will get back as a compensation pick for Shultz or some other player). It's a gamble with not a lot of downside and potential really good upside. Dallas is one of the best (actually the best) at choosing and coaching players up into the pro ranks. I'll bet they've hired someone to school him on playing QB in the NFL. Meanwhile he'll be running scout teams, occasionally getting some work with the ones.
Hopefully he won't get called into action in a real game this year. It is pretty darned rare that a 3rd string QB has to play.
I just don't get these board members saying or acting like Dallas screwed up. So if Lance doesn't work out he just doesn't work out and Dallas is out a 4th rounder. How often do 4th rounders work out for any team????
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