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Post by Analyst on Aug 27, 2023 6:14:50 GMT -5
Bottom line, we learned absolutely nothing from this game. I learned they want Shep to coach and not play this year. Why the hell is Shep returning punts?
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Post by Analyst on Aug 27, 2023 6:16:16 GMT -5
No major injuries from what I saw. Biggest win of this off-season. Let’s go blue. There was 5-6 injuries in this game for the Giants, including a concussion from a cheap ass chop block. Jets preseason game is always a bloodbath for this team.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 27, 2023 6:47:39 GMT -5
Bottom line, we learned absolutely nothing from this game. I learned they want Shep to coach and not play this year. Why the hell is Shep returning punts? Q: Why not give (running back Eric) Gray as much time back there as you can? A: He's had a lot. Look, you never know if (wide receiver Sterling) Shep(ard) is going to do it, either. It's something we started working on last week. So, I wanted him to get out there and fair catch one. He wasn't going to return it, but just kind of get under the lights, do it in a game setting. You never know when you might do it.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 27, 2023 6:53:31 GMT -5
The Giants DBs got beat badly on some plays by the speedy Jets receivers. Believe Daboll should have played his starting DBs in the game as they still need to gain experience, and held out by the HC because he wanted to avoid injuries. We had 8 injuries last night. Maybe the coaches were smart to keep our starters off the field.
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Post by TEM on Aug 27, 2023 7:04:30 GMT -5
This is scary. We have no depth on the O-line Both Ezu and Glowinski are sub-par. Ezu gets a pass (inexperienced)
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Post by TEM on Aug 27, 2023 7:06:23 GMT -5
IDK he may be the best OG on the team. I don't see anyone playing better. He’s not better then the 3 Guards ahead of him or he’d be starting. He’s been entrenched with the second team all Summer. But he gives us a 4th. I do not see it. We 'll find out how good they are. I hope they are.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 27, 2023 7:51:07 GMT -5
This is scary. We have no depth on the O-line Both Ezu and Glowinski are sub-par. other than Thomas they are all playing sub par. For various reasons of course. Rookies, injury recovery, inexperience or just not NFL caliber.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 27, 2023 8:49:57 GMT -5
He’s not better then the 3 Guards ahead of him or he’d be starting. He’s been entrenched with the second team all Summer. But he gives us a 4th. I do not see it. We 'll find out how good they are. I hope they are. You're basing that on a minuscule sample of Lemiuex vs. backups in a preseason game. Coaches are seeing these guys every day in practice. I'm encouraged by what I saw, but Lemiuex has not stood out over this summer.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 27, 2023 8:58:20 GMT -5
I have not been impressed by the communication by some of our O line guys on things like stunts especially on the right side. I'm wondering is this a talent issue a coaching issue or both? Last night I saw a play where the Jets only rushed 4 vs 6 blockers and still got in. That should not happen.
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Post by Nite on Aug 27, 2023 9:13:21 GMT -5
Pass blocking is a MAJOR concern for this team. Not good news given that the rest of the division excels at rushing the QB
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Post by TEM on Aug 27, 2023 9:24:09 GMT -5
I do not see it. We 'll find out how good they are. I hope they are. You're basing that on a minuscule sample of Lemieux vs. backups in a preseason game. Coaches are seeing these guys every day in practice. I'm encouraged by what I saw, but Lemiuex has not stood out over this summer. And that is a way to move up in stature, beat up lesser competition. That is what was expected from the starting OGs. I did not see that.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 27, 2023 9:28:13 GMT -5
You're basing that on a minuscule sample of Lemieux vs. backups in a preseason game. Coaches are seeing these guys every day in practice. I'm encouraged by what I saw, but Lemiuex has not stood out over this summer. And that is a way to move up in stature, beat up lesser competition. That is what was expected from the starting OGs. I did not see that. Bredeson and Glowinski played a handful of snaps mostly just to keep the backup QB alive.
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Post by TEM on Aug 27, 2023 9:29:43 GMT -5
And that is a way to move up in stature, beat up lesser competition. That is what was expected from the starting OGs. I did not see that. Bredeson and Glowinski played a handful of snaps mostly just to keep the backup QB alive. Neither one of them were good.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 27, 2023 9:52:56 GMT -5
Bredeson and Glowinski played a handful of snaps mostly just to keep the backup QB alive. Neither one of them were good. With Bredeson was subbing at Center, both gave up a pressure to Williams, they weren't bad overall in pass pro. Run blocking wasn't good and that's been a problem all summer. We have yet to see a full starting 5 for any length. I don't get what this Guard rotation is all about this late in Summer.
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Post by miggs on Aug 27, 2023 9:54:45 GMT -5
To play in the NFL a player has to first and cforemost be able to pass protect.
. Ezu can't pass protect and more experience will not change that.
Glowinski has experience and he can't pass protect.
Giants need replacements for both players. Schoen must know that.
But since he drafted EZU he's giving him every chance, and he's not moving on from Glowinski because he signed him, and he makes a fairly good amount.
Schoen needs to upgrade the guard position before the season starts and not sit on his hands.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 27, 2023 10:17:15 GMT -5
I do not know who is worse Fox of Ximines? They both lineup on the same side and sill are a zip code away from the QB. X I believe is a better technician he can play in zone but Fox will take someones head off if he has the chance depends on what you want one thing is forsake Simmons makes one of them if not both expendable.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 27, 2023 10:22:08 GMT -5
Jets fans on their message board acting like this is a real game 💀 Also, mocking papa for calling Devito their best 3rd string QB in a while, when he probably would’ve out performed Wilson last year 😂 Got our matchup vs the Jets circled for sure now Giants fans on Twitter were also acting like this was a real game. They were also talking trash prior to it. LOL easy to be stupid on the internet I see so many dumb posts on X Twitter or what ever it is.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 27, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -5
IDK he may be the best OG on the team. I don't see anyone playing better. He’s not better then the 3 Guards ahead of him or he’d be starting. He’s been entrenched with the second team all Summer. But he gives us a 4th. kid gives 100% if his pass pro has gotten to average he can be a late bloomer.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 27, 2023 10:25:34 GMT -5
Bottom line, we learned absolutely nothing from this game. playing backups vs their 1s is probably the recipe for just that............ And so did the Jets about us or their own in game process they learned they can beat up on 2s and 3s.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 27, 2023 10:26:34 GMT -5
He’s not better then the 3 Guards ahead of him or he’d be starting. He’s been entrenched with the second team all Summer. But he gives us a 4th. kid gives 100% if his pass pro has gotten to average he can be a late bloomer. He's been injured the last two summers, so we're seeing a little bit of what he can do.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 27, 2023 10:28:23 GMT -5
LOL, you learn alot about fans by seeing their reaction to 2nd, third and fourth string players in a preseason game. The issue with the Giants second teamers was the physical part they started getting whooped up on like they didn't belong I feel bad for the kids more than anything they might not find a home.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 27, 2023 10:42:39 GMT -5
Pass blocking is a MAJOR concern for this team. Not good news given that the rest of the division excels at rushing the QB I’m still having nightmares of what Dlaw did to Neal last year. The O line and defense in general is going to be tested very shortly, I can see Dallas having a top 5-10 defense this year. Washington and Philthy were both in the top 3 last year and IIRC Washington had quite a few injuries, may be wrong though.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 27, 2023 10:49:47 GMT -5
Pass blocking is a MAJOR concern for this team. Not good news given that the rest of the division excels at rushing the QB I’m still having nightmares of what Dlaw did to Neal last year. The O line and defense in general is going to be tested very shortly, I can see Dallas having a top 5-10 defense this year. Washington and Philthy were both in the top 3 last year and IIRC Washington had quite a few injuries, may be wrong though. meh...**** Dallas
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Post by Analyst on Aug 27, 2023 10:52:57 GMT -5
I learned they want Shep to coach and not play this year. Why the hell is Shep returning punts? Q: Why not give (running back Eric) Gray as much time back there as you can? A: He's had a lot. Look, you never know if (wide receiver Sterling) Shep(ard) is going to do it, either. It's something we started working on last week. So, I wanted him to get out there and fair catch one. He wasn't going to return it, but just kind of get under the lights, do it in a game setting. You never know when you might do it. So he disobeyed the coach by not fair catching it?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 27, 2023 10:55:26 GMT -5
I’m still having nightmares of what Dlaw did to Neal last year. The O line and defense in general is going to be tested very shortly, I can see Dallas having a top 5-10 defense this year. Washington and Philthy were both in the top 3 last year and IIRC Washington had quite a few injuries, may be wrong though. meh...**** Dallas Those are actually kind words compared to what I really think, which makes it all the more maddening every f’in time we lose to them which has been going on for way too long.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 27, 2023 10:56:38 GMT -5
The Giants DBs got beat badly on some plays by the speedy Jets receivers. Believe Daboll should have played his starting DBs in the game as they still need to gain experience, and held out by the HC because he wanted to avoid injuries. We had 8 injuries last night. Maybe the coaches were smart to keep our starters off the field. I guess that makes up for not having to many in the first 2 games
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 27, 2023 10:58:09 GMT -5
Good. Thank you. Freaking Jets superbowl against Giants 2nd team. 2mds and tons of 3rds and a bunch that won't be here Tues
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 27, 2023 11:00:36 GMT -5
We had 8 injuries last night. Maybe the coaches were smart to keep our starters off the field. I guess that makes up for not having to many in the first 2 games I feel bad for any of our injured guys but I think we would all be upset if the injured players were our starting players. Must be tough for any guys to get injured and then cut but I think they get a injury settlement.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 27, 2023 11:02:12 GMT -5
Didn't see any of the game just read the notes on this board and twitter. Sounds like Sauce got the usual no call hold, but that was the same as all last year. When you're chosen as the next revis you're allowed to hold for your career it seems. On a better note, sounds like Simmons looked good rushing the passer. We desperately need that. Hope we can steal some lineman from other teams cuts. If Lemieux looked the best then we're in serious trouble. He got burned by Hyatt on very first play down sidelines and was grabbing him the whole way. Tyrod underthrew the pass If Jones is playing that's a 85 yard TD pass Jets #1 D gives up Simmons missed blowing him up by a hair by hit him enough to make him stumble and start to fall and throw the ball away. He was on him in a second
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Post by GameTime on Aug 27, 2023 11:08:30 GMT -5
Q: Why not give (running back Eric) Gray as much time back there as you can? A: He's had a lot. Look, you never know if (wide receiver Sterling) Shep(ard) is going to do it, either. It's something we started working on last week. So, I wanted him to get out there and fair catch one. He wasn't going to return it, but just kind of get under the lights, do it in a game setting. You never know when you might do it. So he disobeyed the coach by not fair catching it? guess he did
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