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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 14:42:54 GMT -5
Whether a guess or posturing as a thinker it’s a certainty you fail at both. your posts are more of a desperate cry for help. Do yourself a favor and seek help. Let's limit discussion as to whether Giants would beat Michigan. Let’s make sure you seek help so you feel better about yourself. Your bit is a funny take for a George Constanta on Seinfeld yet you’re serious so you need somebody to hug you. Although funny, I am concerned for your mental state or what’s left of it.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 12, 2024 14:43:26 GMT -5
Mahomes is mountain ahead of Brady at the same time in their careers as a QB. Brady didnt really take off as a dominant QB until 2007 with Randy Moss. Prior to that, although still a solid QB, his numbers just were only "good" at best. PM threw 50 TDs and won an MVP in his 2nd year. Now in order for him to surpass TB for a career, he is going to have to continue to do what he has done another 5-6 years which will be a huge test especially if he losses Reid IMO. To the point about defensive yards and scoring, some of those #s are due to the Mahomes/Brady offenses staying on the field and constantly moving the chains. I think if you did an apples to apples comparison you'd find that Mahommes also has WAY more weapons than Brady had at that time and a HC who's considered one of the best offensive play callers in history vs Brady who had one of the best defensive coaches ever.
Not saying Mahommes isn't better than Brady at the same point in their career but their situations are completely different and should be mentioned.
I agree about the QB effect on the D, but the same could be said in reverse. A top tier D is going to get more 3 and outs, more turn overs, stop the other team more giving the QB more chances as well. It's a team game, my only point is that 99% of the coverage is "look how amazing Mahommes is" meanwhile the top tier D is getting 1% of the mentions. I know it's a QB league etc and don't think it should be 50/50 coverage but that D was great this year and deserves more credit than they are given.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 12, 2024 14:47:15 GMT -5
I didn't catch his questioning on the play, but I couldn't help but notice when he began rambling over the celebration as it was taking place.
at the peak of drama he was trying to explain the overtime rules for those assumed confused. He thought the clock was going to run out and there was no urgency to snap the ball. He’s a f’ing idiot who creates mayhem during broadcasts like when he played football in tight situations. thankfully he derailed his own Cowboy teams with crazy antics late. Flapping his arms around, pumping his leg, drawing his own linemen into false starts.
That is so hysterical. Did he actually say Mahomes is the greatest like Michael Jordan? WTF?
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 12, 2024 15:17:07 GMT -5
at the peak of drama he was trying to explain the overtime rules for those assumed confused. He thought the clock was going to run out and there was no urgency to snap the ball. He’s a f’ing idiot who creates mayhem during broadcasts like when he played football in tight situations. thankfully he derailed his own Cowboy teams with crazy antics late. Flapping his arms around, pumping his leg, drawing his own linemen into false starts.
That is so hysterical. Did he actually say Mahomes is the greatest like Michael Jordan? WTF?
I didn't mind that part, but overall he is losing his edge. Aikman, collingsworth, olsen, maybe even some others would definitely have been better
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Post by Analyst on Feb 12, 2024 15:30:11 GMT -5
Mahomes is mountain ahead of Brady at the same time in their careers as a QB. Brady didnt really take off as a dominant QB until 2007 with Randy Moss. Prior to that, although still a solid QB, his numbers just were only "good" at best. PM threw 50 TDs and won an MVP in his 2nd year. Now in order for him to surpass TB for a career, he is going to have to continue to do what he has done another 5-6 years which will be a huge test especially if he losses Reid IMO. To the point about defensive yards and scoring, some of those #s are due to the Mahomes/Brady offenses staying on the field and constantly moving the chains. I think if you did an apples to apples comparison you'd find that Mahommes also has WAY more weapons than Brady had at that time and a HC who's considered one of the best offensive play callers in history vs Brady who had one of the best defensive coaches ever.
Not saying Mahommes isn't better than Brady at the same point in their career but their situations are completely different and should be mentioned.
I agree about the QB effect on the D, but the same could be said in reverse. A top tier D is going to get more 3 and outs, more turn overs, stop the other team more giving the QB more chances as well. It's a team game, my only point is that 99% of the coverage is "look how amazing Mahommes is" meanwhile the top tier D is getting 1% of the mentions. I know it's a QB league etc and don't think it should be 50/50 coverage but that D was great this year and deserves more credit than they are given.
I dont know. Sure, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce, but Brady also had Gronk and Moss. Brady had the much better run game and defense earlier in his career. All these QB debates are always bias and is not an exact science though. I feel at this point in his career, Mahomes is ahead of where Brady was as a QB. However, this was about the time Tom Brady really accelerated and blew up with his intelligence and determination to be the best. Will Mahomes continue to be hungry? He is certainly saying the right things. Seems like he is grounded and wants to be "the best" when all said and done. As I said earlier though, he is only about half way there. The one that really made it tough was when Brady beat him head to head in the SB. That was the SB the Chiefs lost both starting OTs the week of the SB. The Bucs defense tormented PM. IF. Mahomes won that game, it would be 4 to 6 as far as SB wins. Much closer.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 12, 2024 15:32:17 GMT -5
Whether a guess or posturing as a thinker it’s a certainty you fail at both. your posts are more of a desperate cry for help. Do yourself a favor and seek help. Let's limit discussion as to whether Giants would beat Michigan. There is nothing to discuss. Only someone so out of touch with reality wouldn’t think the Giants would not only destroy them on the scoreboard but also physically.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 12, 2024 15:32:58 GMT -5
There’s seriously something wrong with your chromosomes. Giants still lose big-time. To Michigan?
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 12, 2024 15:54:24 GMT -5
Let's limit discussion as to whether Giants would beat Michigan. There is nothing to discuss. Only someone so out of touch with reality wouldn’t think the Giants would not only destroy them on the scoreboard but also physically. The ‘01 Hurricanes might be able to get a first down on the Giants practice squad.. Other than that they’ll be picking up body parts.. and scraping pieces of flesh off their decals.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 12, 2024 16:04:10 GMT -5
I dont know. Sure, Mahomes had Hill and Kelce, but Brady also had Gronk and Moss. Brady had the much better run game and defense earlier in his career. All these QB debates are always bias and is not an exact science though. I feel at this point in his career, Mahomes is ahead of where Brady was as a QB. However, this was about the time Tom Brady really accelerated and blew up with his intelligence and determination to be the best. Will Mahomes continue to be hungry? He is certainly saying the right things. Seems like he is grounded and wants to be "the best" when all said and done. As I said earlier though, he is only about half way there. The one that really made it tough was when Brady beat him head to head in the SB. That was the SB the Chiefs lost both starting OTs the week of the SB. The Bucs defense tormented PM. IF. Mahomes won that game, it would be 4 to 6 as far as SB wins. Much closer. Gronk and Moss are probably the greatest combo of WR/TE for any QB ever...but we were talking about early in his career before those guys arrive and Brady exploded in performance.
I agree Mahommes is ahead of where Brady was, just pointing out there are some major differences in their situations. The identity of the entire Chiefs organization is built around offense and making Mahommes great. The Pats were built around defense until around 2007. Also agree Mahommes has to step up to the next level of performing this good for the next decade lol.
The biggest problem for Mahommes is that Reid is turning 70 in two weeks. He is not going to get 20 years of playing for him like Brady got with BB. We know Reid is an amazing coach, we will see how much he means to Mahommes at some point.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 12, 2024 16:04:54 GMT -5
That is so hysterical. Did he actually say Mahomes is the greatest like Michael Jordan? WTF?
I didn't mind that part, but overall he is losing his edge. Aikman, collingsworth, olsen, maybe even some others would definitely have been better
His comments may have been valid, but he had no business using it at that moment. That's something to talk about after the celebration dies down.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 12, 2024 16:09:21 GMT -5
That is so hysterical. Did he actually say Mahomes is the greatest like Michael Jordan? WTF?
I didn't mind that part, but overall he is losing his edge. Aikman, collingsworth, olsen, maybe even some others would definitely have been better I thought it was a pretty terrible broadcast all night. At one point they asked Romo what it's like for the defense playing in the Super Bowl....Romo played offense and never sniffed the Super Bowl lol.
Then after Mahommes runs for a first down on fourth down Romo acts like he knew it all along "of course they won't take it out of his hands and he's RB #1 on this play". Yeah Romo you knew they'd run it with Mahommes there smh.
Shit broadcast. For the record I usually don't have an issue with Romo.
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 12, 2024 18:23:31 GMT -5
I didn't mind that part, but overall he is losing his edge. Aikman, collingsworth, olsen, maybe even some others would definitely have been better I thought it was a pretty terrible broadcast all night. At one point they asked Romo what it's like for the defense playing in the Super Bowl....Romo played offense and never sniffed the Super Bowl lol.
Then after Mahommes runs for a first down on fourth down Romo acts like he knew it all along "of course they won't take it out of his hands and he's RB #1 on this play". Yeah Romo you knew they'd run it with Mahommes there smh.
Shit broadcast. For the record I usually don't have an issue with Romo.
I agree, it lacked energy and at times seemed detached from what was actually happening on the field
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 12, 2024 19:27:27 GMT -5
Too bad there wasn't a Manningcast...
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 12, 2024 21:56:33 GMT -5
Yes, Mahommes is special. His picture is in the dictionary next to the word "IT". Reid was an amazing play caller before he ever got Patty. Great combo. Of course throw in that TE. This said and I truly think they dont go back to back without Chris Jones or Spags. Jones is that Carson type guy for them that holds his teammates accountable. When a leader like him screams at his teammates the coaches dont have to. Spags is amazing. I'm kinda shocked no team has given him another look as a HC. I know he wanted the gig after MacAdoo was canned.
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 12, 2024 22:06:18 GMT -5
Yes, Mahommes is special. His picture is in the dictionary next to the word "IT". Reid was an amazing play caller before he ever got Patty. Great combo. Of course throw in that TE. This said and I truly think they dont go back to back without Chris Jones or Spags. Jones is that Carson type guy for them that holds his teammates accountable. When a leader like him screams at his teammates the coaches dont have to. Spags is amazing. I'm kinda shocked no team has given him another look as a HC. I know he wanted the gig after MacAdoo was canned. yeap, and the defense saved mahomes butt when he threw that terrible INT to start the 2nd half. If 9ers score there and go onto win everyone is talking about that pic.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 13, 2024 17:22:19 GMT -5
I'm gonna leave this right here. Never take talking heads seriously when discussing players prior to them playing a single NFL snap. It's wild that the same people ripping the Mahomes pick are the ones riding his nuts today. Lmfao!!!
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Post by Analyst on Feb 13, 2024 17:58:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna leave this right here. Never take talking heads seriously when discussing players prior to them playing a single NFL snap. It's wild that the same people ripping the Mahomes pick are the ones riding his nuts today. Lmfao!!! To be fair, he looked bad at times in college and his footwork was terrible. It was a gamble that paid off. It happens. If every GM could see the future you would get no players slipping. But slipping happens all the times. Steals late happen in every draft. And so do busts. Mahomes has something, but its not what normal QBs have. A-typical. Very tough to evaluate. Somehow he nailed it though. And so did Ben McAdoo. Helps he went to a SB ready team and not a team like the Jets too.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 13, 2024 20:39:57 GMT -5
I'm gonna leave this right here. Never take talking heads seriously when discussing players prior to them playing a single NFL snap. It's wild that the same people ripping the Mahomes pick are the ones riding his nuts today. Lmfao!!! To be fair, he looked bad at times in college and his footwork was terrible. It was a gamble that paid off. It happens. If every GM could see the future you would get no players slipping. But slipping happens all the times. Steals late happen in every draft. And so do busts. Mahomes has something, but its not what normal QBs have. A-typical. Very tough to evaluate. Somehow he nailed it though. And so did Ben McAdoo. Helps he went to a SB ready team and not a team like the Jets too. Ironically the first thing that came to my mind reading your post was he's an "instinctive player". Shortly after I remembered Daboll said that about DeVito. Thats a heck of an attribute for any athlete, regardless of where they fall talent-wise. Mahomes just happens to have an instinctive style of play on top of great talent and poise. I agree, it is hard to pinpoint and quantify other than the results.
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Post by miggs on Feb 14, 2024 12:31:15 GMT -5
Given Giants disastrous season, it was good to see the two NFL's most fun and best teams duking it out in the SB. Felt good no matter who won. KC earned their win.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 15, 2024 10:38:58 GMT -5
I'm gonna leave this right here. Never take talking heads seriously when discussing players prior to them playing a single NFL snap. It's wild that the same people ripping the Mahomes pick are the ones riding his nuts today. Lmfao!!! lol… my complete lack of care about offseason “experts” driving the draft narrative all wrapped up in one video. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 15, 2024 10:39:40 GMT -5
Given Giants disastrous season, it was good to see the two NFL's most fun and best teams duking it out in the SB. Felt good no matter who won. KC earned their win. Must be tough watching your team lose the SB like that.
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