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Post by McCherry on Sept 22, 2023 12:17:29 GMT -5
They lost to a better team. Seemed like the receivers on the 49ers are much stronger than the Giants secondary. They manhandled them on just about every play. I was surprised they didn’t have more in the game plan for Hyatt. They weren’t winning this game. And played like they were expected to play. Just outclassed in this one. 10 days to get ready for Seattle.
The 49er's seemed not only stronger, but faster and bigger too.
I'm not sure I've ever seen as great a mismatch as Hargrave on Lemiuex. That was simply a man vs child.
As for Hyatt, I can only guess Daboll didn't want Jones holding the ball that long for the deep throw.
Daboll said they tried to get Hyatt involved, the opportunity just wasn't there with all the issues with pass protection. I buy that. Getting the ball outside or past the sticks was clearly a near impossibility.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 12:40:05 GMT -5
Banter Boys usually good. Way off analyzing this game. Even with a bad OL, Giants HC has to design design good 8-10 yard passes or he shouldn't be coaching. Last season he had such plays. Bottom line Daboll showed too much respect for the Niners defense and had no confidence in himself. Waller reminded me of Golladay, and Neal clueless ignoring Bosa. That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 13:02:41 GMT -5
Banter Boys usually good. Way off analyzing this game. Even with a bad OL, Giants HC has to design design good 8-10 yard passes or he shouldn't be coaching. Last season he had such plays. Bottom line Daboll showed too much respect for the Niners defense and had no confidence in himself. Waller reminded me of Golladay, and Neal clueless ignoring Bosa. That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game A TE on an elite pass blocker?
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 13:14:45 GMT -5
That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game A TE on an elite pass blocker? I don't agree with the call but that's the block.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 13:24:31 GMT -5
A TE on an elite pass blocker? I don't agree with the call but that's the block. It's really hard to tell. It seems unlikely to me that they would have a TE on Bosa by himself. It could have been a mistake made by Neal. I don't know the answer but if they did indeed ask Bellinger to block Bosa one on one, the OL coach should be immediately fired. By "immediately" I mean before the next play call.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 13:30:45 GMT -5
I don't agree with the call but that's the block. It's really hard to tell. It seems unlikely to me that they would have a TE on Bosa by himself. It could have been a mistake made by Neal. I don't know the answer but if they did indeed ask Bellinger to block Bosa one on one, the OL coach should be immediately fired. By "immediately" I mean before the next play call. Hard to tell? The whole line downblocked. Bellinger did too, he was just late
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 13:40:52 GMT -5
It's really hard to tell. It seems unlikely to me that they would have a TE on Bosa by himself. It could have been a mistake made by Neal. I don't know the answer but if they did indeed ask Bellinger to block Bosa one on one, the OL coach should be immediately fired. By "immediately" I mean before the next play call. Hard to tell? The whole line downblocked. Bellinger did too, he was just late As I said......he should be fired if that was the play.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 13:43:00 GMT -5
Oh...so we're there. Awesome. Wait....Then why did you expect us to lose last night? You see the problem here Ros. Our problem is not that we aren't meeting expectations. As you said...we are expected to lose. My argument is that THAT is the problem. We’ve been watching them since forever. When they’re not good it’s usually poor Oline play and a D that can’t get off the field after third down. We saw both last night. Against decent to good teams you can win some of those games. They weren’t beating SF last night. SF would’ve had to make a few errors to make it close. They didn’t. So here we are. You and I are having a classic case of failure to communicate. You are saying it seems to me...."We suck....what did you expect?" I'm saying....."I'm sick of us sucking"
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Post by Roswell on Sept 22, 2023 14:01:25 GMT -5
We’ve been watching them since forever. When they’re not good it’s usually poor Oline play and a D that can’t get off the field after third down. We saw both last night. Against decent to good teams you can win some of those games. They weren’t beating SF last night. SF would’ve had to make a few errors to make it close. They didn’t. So here we are. You and I are having a classic case of failure to communicate. You are saying it seems to me...."We suck....what did you expect?" I'm saying....."I'm sick of us sucking" Every Giant fans is tired of them not being good. But realistic expectations have to figure in to the equation. Some fans expect their team to roll into an elite team’s building on a short week without their 2 best offensive players and win the game. But most didn’t. I think they can beat Seattle. We all knew that their schedule was rough in the beginning. If they can split the first 10 games then they’re in the race. In year 2, that’s a good outcome considering the last 10 seasons before this regime.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 22, 2023 14:02:34 GMT -5
We’ve been watching them since forever. When they’re not good it’s usually poor Oline play and a D that can’t get off the field after third down. We saw both last night. Against decent to good teams you can win some of those games. They weren’t beating SF last night. SF would’ve had to make a few errors to make it close. They didn’t. So here we are. You and I are having a classic case of failure to communicate. You are saying it seems to me...."We suck....what did you expect?" I'm saying....."I'm sick of us sucking" I agree and share the same sentiments. Getting beat down by good teams is beyond played out. We basically went from being the bully to being the bitch. Teams used to know that they were in for a physical battle when they played the New York Giants. Nowadays, we are just a sparring partner for these teams.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 22, 2023 14:06:46 GMT -5
I don't agree with the call but that's the block. It's really hard to tell. It seems unlikely to me that they would have a TE on Bosa by himself. It could have been a mistake made by Neal. I don't know the answer but if they did indeed ask Bellinger to block Bosa one on one, the OL coach should be immediately fired. By "immediately" I mean before the next play call. I don’t think that’s on the Oline coach, I think that’s on the TE. He’s got to do more than just say Olè on that play. He got to at least redirect Bosa so Jones can roll to that side on a naked boot. At least that’s how I think that play is drawn up.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 14:18:14 GMT -5
Hard to tell? The whole line downblocked. Bellinger did too, he was just late As I said......he should be fired if that was the play. Well, it's a risk yet if Bellinger obstructs him it's likely wide open. He has to crash down. Can't whiff
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 14:36:31 GMT -5
Banter Boys usually good. Way off analyzing this game. Even with a bad OL, Giants HC has to design design good 8-10 yard passes or he shouldn't be coaching. Last season he had such plays. Bottom line Daboll showed too much respect for the Niners defense and had no confidence in himself. Waller reminded me of Golladay, and Neal clueless ignoring Bosa. That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game Bellinger was outside of Bosa. Neal inside. Far more difficult play for Bellinger. Neal never even glanced at Bosa. You're hardly a teacher of the game.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 15:03:23 GMT -5
That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game Bellinger was outside of Bosa. Neal inside. Far more difficult play for Bellinger. Neal never even glanced at Bosa. You're hardly a teacher of the game. You're not a student of the game. It's a down block which even with guidance you're incapable of learning.
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 15:16:21 GMT -5
Bellinger was outside of Bosa. Neal inside. Far more difficult play for Bellinger. Neal never even glanced at Bosa. You're hardly a teacher of the game. You're not a student of the game. It's a down block which even with guidance you're incapable of learning. If. Bellinger lined up in front of Bosa he would have had a chance., not three feet to his outside. Lining up outside he had no chance. You shouldn't be defending an offensive play in which Bosa almost had a safety. Going against the best rusher in football from the outside is just dumb.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 15:23:37 GMT -5
You're not a student of the game. It's a down block which even with guidance you're incapable of learning. If. Bellinger lined up in front of Bosa he would have had a chance., not three feet to his outside. Lining up outside he had no chance. You shouldn't be defending an offensive play in which Bosa almost had a safety. Going against the best rusher in football from the outside is just dumb. Dunce cap - the call was a down block. the whole line and TE are to slant, the QB turns to draw the linebacker and the play goes the opposite. Bellinger is the seal. Not saying it's the right call yet as to happened, you've been schooled on basics.
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 16:27:49 GMT -5
If. Bellinger lined up in front of Bosa he would have had a chance., not three feet to his outside. Lining up outside he had no chance. You shouldn't be defending an offensive play in which Bosa almost had a safety. Going against the best rusher in football from the outside is just dumb. Dunce cap - the call was a down block. the whole line and TE are to slant, the QB turns to draw the linebacker and the play goes the opposite. Bellinger is the seal. Not saying it's the right call yet as to happened, you've been schooled on basics. Not being schooled when the Giants almost incurred a safety and was pummeled by Bosa. No one sealing Bosa. You're defending the indefensible. End of topic. By the way the play was a pass play but don't tell anyone.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 22, 2023 16:30:21 GMT -5
Dunce cap - the call was a down block. the whole line and TE are to slant, the QB turns to draw the linebacker and the play goes the opposite. Bellinger is the seal. Not saying it's the right call yet as to happened, you've been schooled on basics. Not being schooled when the Giants almost incurred a safety and was pummeled by Bosa. No one sealing Bosa. You're defending the indefensible. End of topic. By the way the play was a pass play but don't tell anyone. you’re being schooled by not understanding the call and claiming I’m not teacher of the game. You’re no student of the game yet blindly self absorbed in your nonsense.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 22, 2023 16:57:15 GMT -5
That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game Bellinger was outside of Bosa. Neal inside. Far more difficult play for Bellinger. Neal never even glanced at Bosa. You're hardly a teacher of the game. You’re pathetic Miggs, you sit here all day and argue with people over something you know nothing about and then proceed to tell them their wrong. Once again, Rangers is right and always you are wrong. Read number 5. You’re welcome. www.bigblueview.com/2023/9/22/23885150/giants-49ers-5-plays-that-mattered-in-giants-thursday-night-loss
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Post by giantbob71 on Sept 22, 2023 16:57:56 GMT -5
Banter Boys usually good. Way off analyzing this game. Even with a bad OL, Giants HC has to design design good 8-10 yard passes or he shouldn't be coaching. Last season he had such plays. Bottom line Daboll showed too much respect for the Niners defense and had no confidence in himself. Waller reminded me of Golladay, and Neal clueless ignoring Bosa. That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game True, but it was a very poorly designed play. Quickness off the snap of Bellinger vs. Bosa?
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 22, 2023 17:01:20 GMT -5
That's not Neal's block. It's a downblock by Bellinger Learn the game True, but it was a very poorly designed play. Quickness off the snap of Bellinger vs. Bosa? Presumably the fact that Bellinger knew the snap count and Bosa did not should have helped ….
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 17:14:24 GMT -5
You and I are having a classic case of failure to communicate. You are saying it seems to me...."We suck....what did you expect?" I'm saying....."I'm sick of us sucking" Every Giant fans is tired of them not being good. But realistic expectations have to figure in to the equation. Some fans expect their team to roll into an elite team’s building on a short week without their 2 best offensive players and win the game. But most didn’t. I think they can beat Seattle. We all knew that their schedule was rough in the beginning. If they can split the first 10 games then they’re in the race. In year 2, that’s a good outcome considering the last 10 seasons before this regime. Pretty sure the Niners were on a short week too.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 22, 2023 17:33:24 GMT -5
Every Giant fans is tired of them not being good. But realistic expectations have to figure in to the equation. Some fans expect their team to roll into an elite team’s building on a short week without their 2 best offensive players and win the game. But most didn’t. I think they can beat Seattle. We all knew that their schedule was rough in the beginning. If they can split the first 10 games then they’re in the race. In year 2, that’s a good outcome considering the last 10 seasons before this regime. Pretty sure the Niners were on a short week too. Yep. And they’re better. And stayed in their backyard. Let me ask you, what did you think the Giants’ record was going to be after the first 3 games?
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 22:53:50 GMT -5
Both you and Ranger are pathetic. Hoping Bosa would bite on play action is no substitute for either Neal taking on Bosa or Bellinger lining up in front of him rather than giving him a clear path to sack Jones. But not surprised you believe that's how the Giants should defend Bosa. Bellinger too far away from Bosa and therefore never had a chance to block Bosa. A team should not assume anything.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 22:59:48 GMT -5
Pretty sure the Niners were on a short week too. Yep. And they’re better. And stayed in their backyard. Let me ask you, what did you think the Giants’ record was going to be after the first 3 games? 1-2. That's why I'm angry at my team.
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 23:26:53 GMT -5
While Giants played short-handed, they score was in reach into the third quater. But not defending on Niner's backfield passes killed the Giants on defense, and not throwing mid-range paases and passing the ball to Hyatt doomed the Giants from having any chance to win the game.
Jones much better than Purdy but Daboll wouldn't let Jones and receivers prove that.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 22, 2023 23:28:47 GMT -5
While Giants played short-handed, they score was in reach into the third quater. But not defending on Niner's backfield passes killed the Giants on defense, and not throwing mid-range paases and passing the ball to Hyatt doomed the Giants from having any chance to win the game. They had no time to throw it downfield.
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Post by miggs on Sept 22, 2023 23:34:15 GMT -5
While Giants played short-handed, they score was in reach into the third quater. But not defending on Niner's backfield passes killed the Giants on defense, and not throwing mid-range paases and passing the ball to Hyatt doomed the Giants from having any chance to win the game. They had no time to throw it downfield. Did you see reviews waiting three yards downfield for the ball. They could have been 8-10 yards down field. Daboll a wimp. Had no confidence in himself and OL.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2023 5:55:08 GMT -5
They had no time to throw it downfield. Did you see reviews waiting three yards downfield for the ball. They could have been 8-10 yards down field. Daboll a wimp. Had no confidence in himself and OL. What a meltdown. 😂. Coach of the Year is now a wimp lol.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2023 7:21:50 GMT -5
Both you and Ranger are pathetic. Hoping Bosa would bite on play action is no substitute for either Neal taking on Bosa or Bellinger lining up in front of him rather than giving him a clear path to sack Jones. But not surprised you believe that's how the Giants should defend Bosa. Bellinger too far away from Bosa and therefore never had a chance to block Bosa. A team should not assume anything. No one ever said that Miggs, stop trying to deflect from what you originally thought. It’s ok, some of us may have different opinions on players or how things should be done but everyone knows you don’t even know what the hell you’re watching.
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