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Post by lasion2 on Oct 3, 2023 22:48:44 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John.
They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes?
These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share.
They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 3, 2023 23:12:54 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 23:20:01 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John. They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes? These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share. They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right. We had a post like this a couple years ago. I agree. |
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 3, 2023 23:20:09 GMT -5
It’s just so flipping obvious. 12 years of complete incompetence corresponds with these two cronies “employment.”
The question is; how do we get them out of the office that makes football decisions and into the suite to count their money? I’m not kidding. We need to figure this out for the future of the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 23:21:52 GMT -5
It’s just so flipping obvious. 12,years of complete incompetence corresponds with these two cronies “employment.” The question is; how do we get them out of the office that makes football decisions and into the suite to count their money? I’m not kidding. We need to figure this out for the future of the franchise. Team has to be sold somehow. Not likely. All the family members have an interest in keeping the team. |
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 3, 2023 23:33:40 GMT -5
The family can keep the team. That’s not what I’m saying.
We, as the customers, can draw as much attention to the fact that the nepotism has failed and the brother and nephew of the owning family must be removed from football operations. These people won the genetic lottery. They are millionaires. But, they are failed and disgraced football men. Go count money. Stay out of the football world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 23:48:02 GMT -5
The family can keep the team. That’s not what I’m saying. We, as the customers, can draw as much attention to the fact that the nepotism has failed and the brother and nephew of the owning family must be removed from football operations. These people won the genetic lottery. They are millionaires. But, they are failed and disgraced football men. Go count money. Stay out of the football world. Egos….My Team! My Team! Mine, mine, mine! I’m the ****ing boss! Me, me, me! That’s the type of people you are dealing with. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 4, 2023 0:15:10 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it. Being a bleeding heart libertarian, if the case is circumstantial as this is, I'll need a preponderance of evidence to condemn. Clearly we do not have anything close to that here. So obviously I agree with you completely. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 4, 2023 0:30:16 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John. They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes? These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share. They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right. Let's say there are 1,000 members of this board (no clue, total guess?), if every member of Giants Board kicks in $6,000,000 each, we could make a competitive $6 billion offer? Seems plausible...let's make it happen! |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 4, 2023 0:38:03 GMT -5
We had the QB, the line, the coaches, the D. I knew we were missing someone. Mara, check!
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 4, 2023 5:55:11 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it. Being a bleeding heart libertarian, if the case is circumstantial as this is, I'll need a preponderance of evidence to condemn. Clearly we do not have anything close to that here. So obviously I agree with you completely. I completely understand how people can feel this way, but if I remember correctly, didn't Mara say Shoen would have total control over player decisions? I have a hard time believing that he and Daboll would allow Mara to pressure them into what their job will be measured against, and anyone thinking the QB decision isn't the pinnacle one they make is mistaken (IMHO). |
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Post by Myronguyton29 on Oct 4, 2023 6:23:56 GMT -5
shit maybe i dont even know.
Might or might not need to happen but at this damn point I don't care if they blow the entire damn thing up from water boy to top guy and start with everything new if that was possible Smmfh...........
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Post by hammer75 on Oct 4, 2023 8:00:10 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John. They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes? These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share. They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right. I will happily kick in my share as well |
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 8:13:07 GMT -5
100%
I would encourage all posters here to Google and read about Wellington Mara, George Young, and even John Mara.
Just go to Wikipedia.
You’ll notice a common theme, common recurring problems.
The Giants have historically sucked when a Mara is involved running the football operations.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 4, 2023 8:16:54 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it. i think this was a collective wary decision and the contract does reflex that. Giants played hardball and didn’t need a QB distracted by a one year deal. So they made it a two year deal. The Giants certainly did not commit to him long term. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 4, 2023 8:38:04 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it. I agree with this, and I go back to when Mara made the comments about Jones that "we did everything we could to screw this kid up" I think Mara was the driving force behind the resigning of Jones, and my guess is Schoen and probably even more so Daboll, weren't 100% on board but relented. Again, like you said, its nothing other than a gut feeling. I think of all 3, it is most likely Daboll was the one that was most reluctant to resign him. |
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 4, 2023 9:03:54 GMT -5
Senior Player Personnel Executive
And
Director of Player Personnel
These are not honorary titles.
3 gms, 5 hcs. These are the two constants.
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 9:04:14 GMT -5
I can't say that I disagree. I seriously hope that the Maras are totally out of the way, but have my doubts about their lack of involvement. I think that the Jones resigning was all John Mara. Of course there's no proof of that theory, but I have a gut feeling about it. I agree with this, and I go back to when Mara made the comments about Jones that "we did everything we could to screw this kid up" I think Mara was the driving force behind the resigning of Jones, and my guess is Schoen and probably even more so Daboll, weren't 100% on board but relented. Again, like you said, its nothing other than a gut feeling. I think of all 3, it is most likely Daboll was the one that was most reluctant to resign him. I believe Mara was as well. He has said multiple times that he believes Jones could be a good QB. I think Mara views him as Eli. Clean cut, nice guy, marketable guy once he’s finished playing IF he can win. Mara seems so concerned about the ‘Giants reputation’. No cheerleaders, no mascot, basic bowl stadium, same scouting system, limited analytics, old school draft board. He keeps doing things only because ‘that’s the way the Giants have always done it’. They’re getting passed by. They are always slow to adapt. For any Moneyball fans…there’s a great line at the end of the movie…when Billy Beane meets with the Red Sox owner. The owner says, ‘Billy, you have revolutionized the game, anyone that doesn’t adapt/apply this method is a dinosaur, extinct’. Maras are the dinosaurs |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 4, 2023 9:09:57 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John. They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes? These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share. They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right. Let's say there are 1,000 members of this board (no clue, total guess?), if every member of Giants Board kicks in $6,000,000 each, we could make a competitive $6 billion offer? Seems plausible...let's make it happen! Send me the PayPal link. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 4, 2023 9:15:50 GMT -5
Being a bleeding heart libertarian, if the case is circumstantial as this is, I'll need a preponderance of evidence to condemn. Clearly we do not have anything close to that here. So obviously I agree with you completely. I completely understand how people can feel this way, but if I remember correctly, didn't Mara say Shoen would have total control over player decisions? I have a hard time believing that he and Daboll would allow Mara to pressure them into what their job will be measured against, and anyone thinking the QB decision isn't the pinnacle one they make is mistaken (IMHO). Me too, I can't explain it; I just agree with the hunch. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 4, 2023 9:42:23 GMT -5
Every time the Giants have a lousy season in the last bunch of years (which is most of the time) this notion that Chris Mara is somehow the secret wrench in the works that is dragging this organization down because of his ineptitude surfaces.
Let me ask you folks: what is it that he does, and has done, that has ruined this team? Is he drafting players? Is he making trades? Designing contracts? Drawing up plays? Running practices? Is he in charge of strength and conditioning? Is he not making sure the Gatorade is restocked on the sidelines? Did he order all the jock straps a couple sizes too small?
What? What's his secret role is this mess? Because it reads like a hilarious conspiracy theory, in which case I fully expect Analyst to roll in here fully supporting the notion.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 4, 2023 9:51:34 GMT -5
Fans still hung up on the "Mara conspiracy" need serious help...
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 10:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 4, 2023 10:14:03 GMT -5
These men are the common denominators. And, obviously, Prince John. They do not belong here. They are not football men. They are millionaire cronies. How do we get them out? Billboards? Get the beat guys on the case (ha 😂), banners on planes? These men must be replaced/removed. How do we do it? I’m willing to kick in my share. They need to just count the money and keep their hands off the product. It’s up to us as the customers to make this right. Chris Mara is more in the horse business these days. Tom McDonnell is a foot ball guy and has worked else where before here from reading up on him he is good at what he does. Don't think we can do much about them and as I said Chris is more into his horses then the team these days he's around on draft night without much input unless he is asked. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 4, 2023 10:14:09 GMT -5
So, your smoking gun is Chris Mara's job title and a link to an article written in 2006? Ok. |
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 10:20:38 GMT -5
So, your smoking gun is Chris Mara's job title and a link to an article written in 2006? Ok. Are you talking about the link from 2006 that says Chris Mara worked in the Giants scouting department since late 1990's and was front runner for the Giants GM job; however, the Tisch's wouldn't allow it because they knew one day they'd have to fire him and didn't want to cause bad blood between anyone? And the other link that states his high position rank in the scouting department for the past 20 years. Those smoking guns? I'm sorry...do you have more concrete information that indicates he was never involved in the Giants scouting department?? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 4, 2023 10:29:19 GMT -5
I agree with this, and I go back to when Mara made the comments about Jones that "we did everything we could to screw this kid up" I think Mara was the driving force behind the resigning of Jones, and my guess is Schoen and probably even more so Daboll, weren't 100% on board but relented. Again, like you said, its nothing other than a gut feeling. I think of all 3, it is most likely Daboll was the one that was most reluctant to resign him. I believe Mara was as well. He has said multiple times that he believes Jones could be a good QB. I think Mara views him as Eli. Clean cut, nice guy, marketable guy once he’s finished playing IF he can win. Mara seems so concerned about the ‘Giants reputation’. No cheerleaders, no mascot, basic bowl stadium, same scouting system, limited analytics, old school draft board. He keeps doing things only because ‘that’s the way the Giants have always done it’. They’re getting passed by. They are always slow to adapt. For any Moneyball fans…there’s a great line at the end of the movie…when Billy Beane meets with the Red Sox owner. The owner says, ‘Billy, you have revolutionized the game, anyone that doesn’t adapt/apply this method is a dinosaur, extinct’. Maras are the dinosaurs I think Mara likes Jones a lot Think Schoen and Daboll do to because of the guy he is stand up take the blame wether it is on him or not. Don't be fooled Jones had no contract they could have exercised his 5th year option they did not, he played well and they thought and might still think they can work with him. No first time GM or first time head coach are going to agree to having the owner and his brother makes franchise altering decisions in the GM and coaches name because in this business first time becomes the last time really quick. Schoen was a hot commodity when the Giants hired him he could have waited for a job in the next cycle and would have if John was trying to run a shadow operation where Schoen gets credit for Johns failings. he and Daboll freely admit they communicate and work together on the roster. Giants turned the page this year starting the year with 2rookie corners playing a rookie center a boat load of second year players getting snaps think they knew exactly what they were doing thats why when asked Schoen said he didn't know how much this team would win, as he said we don't know how they will respond to the challenges last year team faced we have a lot of new faces. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 4, 2023 10:35:18 GMT -5
So, your smoking gun is Chris Mara's job title and a link to an article written in 2006? Ok. Are you talking about the link from 2006 that says Chris Mara worked in the Giants scouting department since late 1990's and was front runner for the Giants GM job; however, the Tisch's wouldn't allow it because they knew one day they'd have to fire him and didn't want to cause bad blood between anyone? And the other link that states his high position rank in the scouting department for the past 20 years. Those smoking guns? I'm sorry...do you have more concrete information that indicates he was never involved in the Giants scouting department?? He was back then from what everyone including the Gm and Chris himself have said now he is there if they want to bounce stuff off him he is more involved with his horses than the Giants. Lat year when they brought all those vets in that helped them improve and win some games and get them to a playoff appearance everyone was loving the Job Brandon Brown and Tim Mc Donnell had done finding theses guy along with Chris Rossetti |
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 10:38:37 GMT -5
Are you talking about the link from 2006 that says Chris Mara worked in the Giants scouting department since late 1990's and was front runner for the Giants GM job; however, the Tisch's wouldn't allow it because they knew one day they'd have to fire him and didn't want to cause bad blood between anyone? And the other link that states his high position rank in the scouting department for the past 20 years. Those smoking guns? I'm sorry...do you have more concrete information that indicates he was never involved in the Giants scouting department?? He was back then from what everyone including the Gm and Chris himself have said now he is there if they want to bounce stuff off him he is more involved with his horses than the Giants. Lat year when they brought all those vets in that helped them improve and win some games and get them to a playoff appearance everyone was loving the Job Brandon Brown and Tim Mc Donnell had done finding theses guy along with Chris Rossetti And we'll see going forward. It did seem this past off season was the first off season Mara actually gave the GM authority to change the scouting department. Which is good. The Giants have been one of the worst organizations the past 15 years. We'll see how much, but it's a start. |
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Post by hadenough on Oct 4, 2023 10:43:45 GMT -5
Are you talking about the link from 2006 that says Chris Mara worked in the Giants scouting department since late 1990's and was front runner for the Giants GM job; however, the Tisch's wouldn't allow it because they knew one day they'd have to fire him and didn't want to cause bad blood between anyone? And the other link that states his high position rank in the scouting department for the past 20 years. Those smoking guns? I'm sorry...do you have more concrete information that indicates he was never involved in the Giants scouting department?? He was back then from what everyone including the Gm and Chris himself have said now he is there if they want to bounce stuff off him he is more involved with his horses than the Giants. Lat year when they brought all those vets in that helped them improve and win some games and get them to a playoff appearance everyone was loving the Job Brandon Brown and Tim Mc Donnell had done finding theses guy along with Chris Rossetti But, also....here's the problem with family...it's hard to fire them. What will Schoen do if he doesn't think McDonnell is doing good enough? He's likely not going to approach Mara about firing him. It'll likely take Schoen years of credibility to approach an owner about firing a family member. It's just not good practice. |
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