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Post by idkaname on Oct 4, 2023 17:01:34 GMT -5
Looks to me like my suspicion that Daboll is pulling the Fudge treatment is correct looks like Jones said “I thought don’t throw it?” not a good look for Daboll…he’s telling Jones what to do before the play and then getting on him for it - when he follows? Joe Fudge activities Like I said in the other thread…Jones’ body language is proof enough to me that Daboll is the root of this mess x.com/DDuggan21/status/1709214384759673259?s=20 |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 4, 2023 17:32:46 GMT -5
Daboll said there was a miscommunication with the play call and they ran the wrong play, he wanted to throw it.
This is 100% on Daboll. If we can't get the right play sent in, or the right formations or the right personnel that is on the Head Coach. I like Daboll but I liked Judge and Shurmur and TC as well. Me liking him won't save his job. This can't happen.
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 4, 2023 18:48:28 GMT -5
If it was Dabolls fault, he wouldn't be pissed. That looks like Dj checked to a run and Daboll didn't agree. Daboll didn't tell him to throw a pick 6 or fumble in the redzone.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 4, 2023 18:52:55 GMT -5
Looks to me like my suspicion that Daboll is pulling the Fudge treatment is correct looks like Jones said “I thought don’t throw it?” not a good look for Daboll…he’s telling Jones what to do before the play and then getting on him for it - when he follows? Joe Fudge activities Like I said in the other thread…Jones’ body language is proof enough to me that Daboll is the root of this mess x.com/DDuggan21/status/1709214384759673259?s=20Um, what? |
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 4, 2023 18:54:55 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play?
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Post by Nite on Oct 4, 2023 19:01:00 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play? At that point if there is confusion then call a timeout and get the right play |
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Post by Modog on Oct 4, 2023 19:01:37 GMT -5
All speculation. noone but they really know who's fault it is. personally i would give benefit of doubt to the coach and not the Qb who already got multiple coaches fired. dJ just can't process the field
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 4, 2023 19:04:17 GMT -5
Looks to me like my suspicion that Daboll is pulling the Fudge treatment is correct looks like Jones said “I thought don’t throw it?” not a good look for Daboll…he’s telling Jones what to do before the play and then getting on him for it - when he follows? Joe Fudge activities Like I said in the other thread…Jones’ body language is proof enough to me that Daboll is the root of this mess x.com/DDuggan21/status/1709214384759673259?s=20If not for Daboll.. Jones would be selling steak knives door to door. |
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Post by moecoastie on Oct 4, 2023 20:00:47 GMT -5
"I thought he called....(cant read his lips well). Definitely not a "th"
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 4, 2023 23:45:11 GMT -5
Daboll said there was a miscommunication with the play call and they ran the wrong play, he wanted to throw it. This is 100% on Daboll. If we can't get the right play sent in, or the right formations or the right personnel that is on the Head Coach. I like Daboll but I liked Judge and Shurmur and TC as well. Me liking him won't save his job. This can't happen. Wrong again...anything to not blame DJ, right? Here's the transcript, of the first 2 questions, from DJs Q&A with the media... Q: Dabs (Head Coach Brian Daboll) said on that third down late in the first half there was a miscommunication on the play call. Just curious what happened there.
A: Yeah, I heard the play wrong. So, called the wrong play.
Q: Did you hear a run, I assume? The play obviously was a run, that's what you heard?
A: Yeah, I heard the play wrong.This is 0% on Daboll...100% on DJ. |
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Post by chino420 on Oct 5, 2023 14:05:08 GMT -5
Daboll said there was a miscommunication with the play call and they ran the wrong play, he wanted to throw it. This is 100% on Daboll. If we can't get the right play sent in, or the right formations or the right personnel that is on the Head Coach. I like Daboll but I liked Judge and Shurmur and TC as well. Me liking him won't save his job. This can't happen. Wrong again...anything to not blame DJ, right? Here's the transcript, of the first 2 questions, from DJs Q&A with the media... Q: Dabs (Head Coach Brian Daboll) said on that third down late in the first half there was a miscommunication on the play call. Just curious what happened there.
A: Yeah, I heard the play wrong. So, called the wrong play.
Q: Did you hear a run, I assume? The play obviously was a run, that's what you heard?
A: Yeah, I heard the play wrong.This is 0% on Daboll...100% on DJ. THIS THIS THIS Add in that DJ didn't think to question a run play call on 3rd and long, or look to audible to something that would get a first down, is disgraceful |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 5, 2023 14:16:26 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play? Do we not have a system where the QB can audible out of a poor play? Eli was goofy but he was allowed to audible, why are we not trusting Jones to do that. This is a perfect example. Then again he spent several years with Judge that played it safe to keep things close and this season we seem to be playing it safe.
You're right though, obviously in Jones' mind he thought that's what they wanted. Run the clock down and go into half close.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Oct 5, 2023 14:40:28 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play? Do we not have a system where the QB can audible out of a poor play? Eli was goofy but he was allowed to audible, why are we not trusting Jones to do that. This is a perfect example. Then again he spent several years with Judge that played it safe to keep things close and this season we seem to be playing it safe.
You're right though, obviously in Jones' mind he thought that's what they wanted. Run the clock down and go into half close.
Jones doesn't even know how to set protection, why would we be letting him audible? this is a five year vet that still doesn't understand basic protection calls our offence is simplified to the max, Jones isn't even going through progressions, just one side of the field or RUN |
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 5, 2023 14:42:52 GMT -5
"I thought that was Taylor Swift up there."
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Post by devilsadvocate on Oct 5, 2023 14:59:15 GMT -5
Looks like a transcript trumps a feeling and a guess.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 5, 2023 15:07:34 GMT -5
Jones doesn't even know how to set protection, why would we be letting him audible? this is a five year vet that still doesn't understand basic protection calls our offence is simplified to the max, Jones isn't even going through progressions, just one side of the field or RUN First off I WISH Jones made one read and just ran if it wasn't there, he's definitely not doing that.
Secondly. If Jones doesn't know how to set protection (not sure who you would even know that lmao) then that's on the damn coaches for not teaching him. It amazes me how much people ignore the coaches role in the NFL.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 5, 2023 15:13:31 GMT -5
Daboll to Jones: “it’s amazing how well you can run with a certain GiantsBoard member hanging on to your testicles.”
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Post by McCherry on Oct 5, 2023 15:15:39 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play? Do we not have a system where the QB can audible out of a poor play? Eli was goofy but he was allowed to audible, why are we not trusting Jones to do that. This is a perfect example. Then again he spent several years with Judge that played it safe to keep things close and this season we seem to be playing it safe.
You're right though, obviously in Jones' mind he thought that's what they wanted. Run the clock down and go into half close.
Jones is definitely running RPO’s and calling audibles. But If Daboll is admitting there was a miscommunication and Jones had the wrong play, that seems to be on the person who called in the play. If nothing else, communication should be at the forefront of a coaches responsibility. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Oct 5, 2023 15:59:34 GMT -5
Jones doesn't even know how to set protection, why would we be letting him audible? this is a five year vet that still doesn't understand basic protection calls our offence is simplified to the max, Jones isn't even going through progressions, just one side of the field or RUN First off I WISH Jones made one read and just ran if it wasn't there, he's definitely not doing that.
Secondly. If Jones doesn't know how to set protection (not sure who you would even know that lmao) then that's on the damn coaches for not teaching him. It amazes me how much people ignore the coaches role in the NFL.
Im not sure we're watching the same games for your first point, its literally whats happening. On a more concerning note, why on earth would you "wish" for this? this is the last thing you want from a QB Second, Jones doesn't know how to set protection, at all. If you think this is on the coaches, and not his lack of understanding/processing, then you just would rather not want to believe it. Which is cool, but call a spade a spade. Not something you're typically keen on. |
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 5, 2023 16:12:30 GMT -5
How does Daniel not realize that he was obviously given the wrong play? Do we not have a system where the QB can audible out of a poor play? Eli was goofy but he was allowed to audible, why are we not trusting Jones to do that. This is a perfect example. Then again he spent several years with Judge that played it safe to keep things close and this season we seem to be playing it safe.
You're right though, obviously in Jones' mind he thought that's what they wanted. Run the clock down and go into half close.
Meanwhile, every fan watching was like wtf? Why didn't Daniel have the same reaction? |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 5, 2023 16:21:30 GMT -5
Sounds like Daboll is giving cover for Jones bone-headed play.
Jones just looks scared out there. Can anyone tell me that I'm wrong. Jones looked like crap in that game and he hasn't looked good this season. I've given him some cover for the first 2 games but he deserves everything he gets for this one. The guy just doesn't have it and luckily he can be cut after the 2024 season...
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 5, 2023 16:23:03 GMT -5
I thought Jones said why throw an 8 yard TD when I could throw a 97 yard one? 😉
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Post by McCherry on Oct 5, 2023 18:37:15 GMT -5
First off I WISH Jones made one read and just ran if it wasn't there, he's definitely not doing that.
Secondly. If Jones doesn't know how to set protection (not sure who you would even know that lmao) then that's on the damn coaches for not teaching him. It amazes me how much people ignore the coaches role in the NFL.
Im not sure we're watching the same games for your first point, its literally whats happening. On a more concerning note, why on earth would you "wish" for this? this is the last thing you want from a QB Second, Jones doesn't know how to set protection, at all. If you think this is on the coaches, and not his lack of understanding/processing, then you just would rather not want to believe it. Which is cool, but call a spade a spade. Not something you're typically keen on. What does that say about the coaches who resigned a QB who "can't set protection" to a $160M contract? You can't absolve them when they chose Jones as the guy to hang their careers on. Something doesn't add up. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 5, 2023 21:01:44 GMT -5
Daboll to Jones: “it’s amazing how well you can run with a certain GiantsBoard member hanging on to your testicles.” Ha! There's actually 5-6. Dude has some strong legs. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 5, 2023 21:12:54 GMT -5
Jones doesn't even know how to set protection, why would we be letting him audible? this is a five year vet that still doesn't understand basic protection calls our offence is simplified to the max, Jones isn't even going through progressions, just one side of the field or RUN First off I WISH Jones made one read and just ran if it wasn't there, he's definitely not doing that.
Secondly. If Jones doesn't know how to set protection (not sure who you would even know that lmao) then that's on the damn coaches for not teaching him. It amazes me how much people ignore the coaches role in the NFL.
On the Witherspoon blitz/sack, the OLine protected perfectly. That's 100% on DJ to see the corner lined up right outside the DE and be aware of the blitz. When the corner blitzes, it's a quick throw the the WR, he was covering, in the flat. Orlovsky broke it down for you. That's not on Daboll, not on the OLine, and it's what QBs literally learn in high schoool. Love how last year's coach of the year, all of a sudden, forgot how to coach, according to you? Isn't it more likely Daboll is losing his patience because DJ is doing shit he's been coached/told not to do? |
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Post by Zimonami on Oct 5, 2023 21:18:18 GMT -5
First off I WISH Jones made one read and just ran if it wasn't there, he's definitely not doing that.
Secondly. If Jones doesn't know how to set protection (not sure who you would even know that lmao) then that's on the damn coaches for not teaching him. It amazes me how much people ignore the coaches role in the NFL.
Im not sure we're watching the same games for your first point, its literally whats happening. On a more concerning note, why on earth would you "wish" for this? this is the last thing you want from a QB Second, Jones doesn't know how to set protection, at all. If you think this is on the coaches, and not his lack of understanding/processing, then you just would rather not want to believe it. Which is cool, but call a spade a spade. Not something you're typically keen on. How do you know whether or not DJ set protection right when half the guys on the OL can't, or don't block? How do you even assume it's DJ's responsibility? Most Centers are responsible for seeing the DLIne and setting proper protection. They aren't missing blocks because Jones set the wrong protection... give it a break!!! They just suck at blocking the man in front of them. "I couldn't block the man in front of me because DJ set the wrong blocking schemes." Really? If the protection isn't right, that's on Kafka and the OLine coach to send in better blocking schemes for the center to call.. It's not on DJ. So, now your adding poor pass blocking as DJ's fault, and it's his responsibility to call better pass blocking protection?... Will that make these rejects block better? NO |
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 5, 2023 21:25:59 GMT -5
Looks to me like my suspicion that Daboll is pulling the Fudge treatment is correct looks like Jones said “I thought don’t throw it?” not a good look for Daboll…he’s telling Jones what to do before the play and then getting on him for it - when he follows? Joe Fudge activities Like I said in the other thread…Jones’ body language is proof enough to me that Daboll is the root of this mess x.com/DDuggan21/status/1709214384759673259?s=20If not for Daboll.. Jones would be selling steak knives door to door. Ceramic or steel sorry I could not help myself... |
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 5, 2023 21:30:04 GMT -5
Dam it Justin errrr. I mean Daniel...
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 5, 2023 21:38:42 GMT -5
Im not sure we're watching the same games for your first point, its literally whats happening. On a more concerning note, why on earth would you "wish" for this? this is the last thing you want from a QB Second, Jones doesn't know how to set protection, at all. If you think this is on the coaches, and not his lack of understanding/processing, then you just would rather not want to believe it. Which is cool, but call a spade a spade. Not something you're typically keen on. How do you know whether or not DJ set protection right when half the guys on the OL can't, or don't block? How do you even assume it's DJ's responsibility? Most Centers are responsible for seeing the DLIne and setting proper protection. They aren't missing blocks because Jones set the wrong protection... give it a break!!! They just suck at blocking the man in front of them. "I couldn't block the man in front of me because DJ set the wrong blocking schemes." Really? If the protection isn't right, that's on Kafka and the OLine coach to send in better blocking schemes for the center to call.. It's not on DJ. So, now your adding poor pass blocking as DJ's fault, and it's his responsibility to call better pass blocking protection?... Will that make these rejects block better? NO You want a rookie center calling the "proper protection?" It's on the QB. How could a center see a LB or safety move towards the line, to blitz, once he's completely bent down over the ball? The QB is staring right at the potential blitzing player. Read past the Trubisky part to where Schwartz breaks down how the QB sets the protection and should work with the OLine and WRs to deal with blitzes. www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears |
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Post by Zimonami on Oct 6, 2023 0:09:00 GMT -5
How do you know whether or not DJ set protection right when half the guys on the OL can't, or don't block? How do you even assume it's DJ's responsibility? Most Centers are responsible for seeing the DLIne and setting proper protection. They aren't missing blocks because Jones set the wrong protection... give it a break!!! They just suck at blocking the man in front of them. "I couldn't block the man in front of me because DJ set the wrong blocking schemes." Really? If the protection isn't right, that's on Kafka and the OLine coach to send in better blocking schemes for the center to call.. It's not on DJ. So, now your adding poor pass blocking as DJ's fault, and it's his responsibility to call better pass blocking protection?... Will that make these rejects block better? NO You want a rookie center calling the "proper protection?" It's on the QB. How could a center see a LB or safety move towards the line, to blitz, once he's completely bent down over the ball? The QB is staring right at the potential blitzing player. Read past the Trubisky part to where Schwartz breaks down how the QB sets the protection and should work with the OLine and WRs to deal with blitzes. www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bearsAnd there are as many NFL teams that have a Lineman call the protection. This is not a responsibility with every QB. It depends upon whether or not the coach feels that his QB has the ability to call that line protection. So, tell us how you are so sure that it is DJ's responsibility. Go ahead and show us... tell me about Dabol and what responsibilities he says are DJ's. I don't give a crap about Trubisky and the bears. I only care about the Giants. Where did Dabol, or any coacj, or DJ ever say that? If you can't show us where it was categorically stated that it WAS DJ's job, then don't assume it is his and denigrate him for something that you don't know for sure. You are just making it up... just like many other things to you spout that is just your opinion, and not fact. Finally, even if it was DJ's responsibility, how do we know that he called the wrong protection if the linemen couldn't block their man. THat's not in DJ at all, and to say he called wrong protection because the linemen didn't block their man means our linemen can't block... it doesn't mean the protection called was bad or wrong. Give it a break, please... you're grasping at anything you can to make DJ appear incompetent when it is the blocking that is incompetent. you're the only person I've heard from since that game try to make it all about DJ's fault. Each man on that line missed blocks... that's not on DJ, nor the protection call. |
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