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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 16:45:31 GMT -5
Well **** you too. I’m sure you’ll look back at this and think what a great win it was when MHJ or some other QB is lighting us up next year or if the team in front of us gets 2 future 1sts and a second to move back a few spots. Some people actually know how bad this team is and are more concerned about the future than a meaningless win. There’s still a lot of football left. We might win one more (Pats). You never know how this shakes out. And who TF is MHJ? Marvin Harrison Jr.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 16:48:09 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? In a frustrating way this win may even out the Jets loss. Washington is a real shiat show though. Every game vs them is a continuation of the last awful game. in the end, if the difference between a franchise QB is one pick, yeah it can affect a decade of football. No question that Raiders win for the Jets cost them Lawrence.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 16:49:35 GMT -5
Its amazing how the Commancheros can play Philly twice and score 31 pts both times and not score 31 combined in 2 games against the Giants. And I think we all know how the 2 games coming up against Philly will turn out for the Giants. It's funny how division games/matchups are. The Giants own Washington almost as much and Philly owns the Giants. The Giants ownership of the Commies throughout this $hit era is befuddling and kinda nice. They were the first to beat the Eagles last year and took them to OT this year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 16:49:59 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Future picks. At the end of the day if they beat the Patriots and the Rams they will be outside the top 10 possibly, depending on what happens with the Bears and Cardinals Commanders Rams Panthers did I miss anyone. The Giants coaches have been getting guys open all year the scary part is Devito holding the ball all day is only one who could find some of those openings. Still need a QB so if Daniels or Penix or Nix is there when we draft I'm getting one of them.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 19, 2023 16:50:56 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Listen we get the point. Sure it will hurt when they pick in a worse spot. However, you might want to prepare yourself though that they may actually win the rest of their games besides 1 of the 2 or both against Philly. The schedule is mainly cream puff rest of way and the QB is gaining confidence. So it may not matter because they might not sniff the top 3 picks. Let's also not forget the losses to the Jets and Bills were BS. They were not outplayed in those 2 games.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 16:52:15 GMT -5
Giants can find 2 more wins with the Patriots and Rams on the schedule and I think both are home games.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 16:53:25 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Rationally, the picks but I can't find myself rooting against the Giants when they can win, like today and vs. the Jets earlier this year. I'm a sucker for my love of the Giants.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 16:54:54 GMT -5
This, I’m not into moral bullshit victories against shitty teams when the season is already over. More than half this roster probably won’t even be on the team next year. Although I am happy for Dabs and the players, I want whats best for the future of the team and although there’s no guarantees, I’d prefer a higher draft pick over a win like this. Lot of football left we could need up back up there or outside the top 10 what ever it is it is, Coaches and players want to win and their Jobs depend on it. I get that, which is why I said I’m happy for the coaches and players but from a standpoint of looking at the future, I couldn’t care less about beating shitty teams when we’re already talking about the draft. We have this debate every year on here because we suck so bad and every year it gets heated. I just hope this year was a wake up call for Schoen and he’s not as incompetent as DG was. Dog, I’m not even interested in Maye or Williams but I bet some teams (hopefully not us) will be. Say this win cost us several future picks to rebuild the roster? Or even worse, what if Schoen likes Maye so much he gives up future picks to move up a spot or two to get him? We don’t know if any of that will even happen but the higher our draft spot the better our chances. As far as winning today, that shitty game just hurt those chances AND gave Washington a higher pick. It’s not like DeVito is the future of this team and the light just finally came on. We beat possibly the one O line worse than ours and a team that just traded arguably their two best defensive players. Fantastic.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 16:59:55 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Future picks. At the end of the day if they beat the Patriots and the Rams they will be outside the top 10 possibly, depending on what happens with the Bears and Cardinals Commanders Rams Panthers did I miss anyone. The Giants coaches have been getting guys open all year the scary part is Devito holding the ball all day is only one who could find some of those openings. Still need a QB so if Daniels or Penix or Nix is there when we draft I'm getting one of them. That would be my preference as well and I think at least one of those will be there in the top 10-15. I also think there will be teams dumb enough to give up the farm for Williams or Maye and the higher draft pick we have the better chances we can get those picks AND still grab one of the QB’s you mentioned.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 17:01:48 GMT -5
Lot of football left we could need up back up there or outside the top 10 what ever it is it is, Coaches and players want to win and their Jobs depend on it. I get that, which is why I said I’m happy for the coaches and players but from a standpoint of looking at the future, I couldn’t care less about beating shitty teams when we’re already talking about the draft. We have this debate every year on here because we suck so bad and every year it gets heated. I just hope this year was a wake up call for Schoen and he’s not as incompetent as DG was. Dog, I’m not even interested in Maye or Williams but I bet some teams (hopefully not us) will be. Say this win cost us several future picks to rebuild the roster? Or even worse, what if Schoen likes Maye so much he gives up future picks to move up a spot or two to get him? We don’t know if any of that will even happen but the higher our draft spot the better our chances. As far as winning today, that shitty game just hurt those chances AND gave Washington a higher pick. It’s not like DeVito is the future of this team and the light just finally came on. We beat possibly the one O line worse than ours and a team that just traded arguably their two best defensive players. Fantastic. Can't change it think everyone wants the first pick or 2nd don't think the patriots are gonna give the Giants 6 turnovers or the Rams thats the only reason they won today 24 points off turnovers.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 19, 2023 17:03:06 GMT -5
This, I’m not into moral bullshit victories against shitty teams when the season is already over. More than half this roster probably won’t even be on the team next year. Although I am happy for Dabs and the players, I want whats best for the future of the team and although there’s no guarantees, I’d prefer a higher draft pick over a win like this. true....but as Herm says. "you play to win the game".
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 17:03:20 GMT -5
Future picks. At the end of the day if they beat the Patriots and the Rams they will be outside the top 10 possibly, depending on what happens with the Bears and Cardinals Commanders Rams Panthers did I miss anyone. The Giants coaches have been getting guys open all year the scary part is Devito holding the ball all day is only one who could find some of those openings. Still need a QB so if Daniels or Penix or Nix is there when we draft I'm getting one of them. That would be my preference as well and I think at least one of those will be there in the top 10-15. I also think there will be teams dumb enough to give up the farm for Williams or Maye and the higher draft pick we have the better chances we can get those picks AND still grab one of the QB’s you mentioned. If we end up with atop 2 or 3 pick ima interested in that idea and was advocating for it
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 19, 2023 17:03:40 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Future picks. At the end of the day if they beat the Patriots and the Rams they will be outside the top 10 possibly, depending on what happens with the Bears and Cardinals Commanders Rams Panthers did I miss anyone. The Giants coaches have been getting guys open all year the scary part is Devito holding the ball all day is only one who could find some of those openings. Still need a QB so if Daniels or Penix or Nix is there when we draft I'm getting one of them. I think they could beat Green Bay too. Saints are not out of the conversation either. Last week against Philly when they bench everybody also.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:05:01 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Rationally, the picks but I can't find myself rooting against the Giants when they can win, like today and vs. the Jets earlier this year. I'm a sucker for my love of the Giants. I get that and being somewhat hypocritical, IF that were the cowboys and IF it was the last game of the year and IF it meant keeping them out of the playoffs I would PROBABLY root for the Giants because I hate them that much but if I was thinking logically and trusted Schoen, I would have to think of what’s better for our team and it would be future picks. Now if DG was still around, I wouldn’t care because I would know he would f it up anyways.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 19, 2023 17:06:08 GMT -5
How bad is our team almost losing even after 5 turnovers? Luckily they gave us the 6th. we know the team is bad. They earned all the take aways, FF or picks to due to tipped passes or bad passes due to pressure.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:08:05 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Listen we get the point. Sure it will hurt when they pick in a worse spot. However, you might want to prepare yourself though that they may actually win the rest of their games besides 1 of the 2 or both against Philly. The schedule is mainly cream puff rest of way and the QB is gaining confidence. So it may not matter because they might not sniff the top 3 picks. Let's also not forget the losses to the Jets and Bills were BS. They were not outplayed in those 2 games. I’m prepared, I’m just being honest and giving my opinion of why I think it’s better to lose at this point.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 19, 2023 17:08:07 GMT -5
How bad is our team almost losing even after 5 turnovers? Luckily they gave us the 6th. we know the team is bad. They earned all the take aways, FF or picks to due to tipped passes or bad passes due to pressure. 100% they earned it! Pressure and 58 making great heads up plays punching out the football
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 19, 2023 17:10:21 GMT -5
Listen we get the point. Sure it will hurt when they pick in a worse spot. However, you might want to prepare yourself though that they may actually win the rest of their games besides 1 of the 2 or both against Philly. The schedule is mainly cream puff rest of way and the QB is gaining confidence. So it may not matter because they might not sniff the top 3 picks. Let's also not forget the losses to the Jets and Bills were BS. They were not outplayed in those 2 games. I’m prepared, I’m just being honest and giving my opinion of why I think it’s better to lose at this point. I feel ya but no one in that locker room is going to tank and the coaches will not advocate it. What can we do.🤷♂️
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 19, 2023 17:11:09 GMT -5
Not only are Neal, Adoree Jackson and Safety Bobby McCain out but now it looks like AT is probably going to sit as well. Pugh will play LT. If they sit Saquon with his ankle the tank is in. Which is fine with me because I want that 1st pick in the draft. I don't follow college ball but I watched a lot of the Oregon - Ariz. St game today. And I don't know how bad a team Ariz. St is but this Bo Nix looked like Mahomes and Peyton Manning rolled into one. 6 TD passes in the 1st half. They said at the end of the 1st half so far this season including today he has 40 TD passes and 2 ints. I don't know what the down side of Nix is but I only seen him for the 1st time today and already I'm a fan. Was just thinking how good he would look in Blue. Downside of Nix is his age, I believe he's gonna be 24 by draft time, and he looked awful as the Auburn QB before transferring to Oregon. I wouldn't be totally opposed to drafting Harrison 2.0 in the 1st and taking whichever qb falls to the 2nd Yea Kase your knowledge of him is better than mine. Like I said this is the first time I watched any of these college QB's. I did see a few series of Williams this season but nothing I could make any kind of decision on. Now with us winning 3 games and if we win 4 (N.E. next week) we'll be in the glut of possibly picking 5th or so with 3 wins and 10-11 with 4 wins. Every week our position in the draft will go up and down like a nervous elevator. Harrison at WR for us could only help. Plus we have 2 2nd rd picks.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 17:11:37 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? I wasn't sure, had to look it up. It happened in 2019 when they Giants swept the then Redskins, including next to last week win. They got Chase Young at #2 and the Giants got Andrew Thomas at #4.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 19, 2023 17:13:47 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? I wasn't sure, had to look it up. It happened in 2019 when they Giants swept the then Redskins, including next to last week win. They got Chase Young at #2 and the Giants got Andrew Thomas at #4. Luckily that worked out for the Giants in the end if you ask me.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 17:16:16 GMT -5
Rationally, the picks but I can't find myself rooting against the Giants when they can win, like today and vs. the Jets earlier this year. I'm a sucker for my love of the Giants. I get that and being somewhat hypocritical, IF that were the cowboys and IF it was the last game of the year and IF it meant keeping them out of the playoffs I would PROBABLY root for the Giants because I hate them that much but if I was thinking logically and trusted Schoen, I would have to think of what’s better for our team and it would be future picks. Now if DG was still around, I wouldn’t care because I would know he would f it up anyways. I get it, expected a loss today and was ok with it until the game unfolded. In the long term it may hurt but Daboll needed that W, even if against cannon fodder Commies.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:18:34 GMT -5
This, I’m not into moral bullshit victories against shitty teams when the season is already over. More than half this roster probably won’t even be on the team next year. Although I am happy for Dabs and the players, I want whats best for the future of the team and although there’s no guarantees, I’d prefer a higher draft pick over a win like this. true....but as Herm says. "you play to win the game". THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 17:18:38 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? Listen we get the point. Sure it will hurt when they pick in a worse spot. However, you might want to prepare yourself though that they may actually win the rest of their games besides 1 of the 2 or both against Philly. The schedule is mainly cream puff rest of way and the QB is gaining confidence. So it may not matter because they might not sniff the top 3 picks. Let's also not forget the losses to the Jets and Bills were BS. They were not outplayed in those 2 games. you might want to be prepare yourself to pick in pick in the Top10 after the 2024 season too. The Giants will beat Washington two more times next season
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 17:20:53 GMT -5
There’s still a lot of football left. We might win one more (Pats). You never know how this shakes out. And who TF is MHJ? Marvin Harrison Jr. Ah, got it. Guess I'm not worried about him or another QB lighting us up every four years or so.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 19, 2023 17:21:13 GMT -5
true....but as Herm says. "you play to win the game". THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. I would not have cared if the lost today at all.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:22:54 GMT -5
I’m prepared, I’m just being honest and giving my opinion of why I think it’s better to lose at this point. I feel ya but no one in that locker room is going to tank and the coaches will not advocate it. What can we do.🤷♂️ For sure, I would fire/cut any player or coach that I thought was tanking on purpose and if I was their teammate I would lose my shit.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 17:23:21 GMT -5
Perfect
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:24:18 GMT -5
Ah, got it. Guess I'm not worried about him or another QB lighting us up every four years or so. Doubtful but it could happen, CeeDee Lamb sure didn’t have any problems and I think MHJ will be all that and some, could be wrong though.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 19, 2023 17:25:50 GMT -5
so its designed and plumbed that the entire stadium main needs to be shut off ??!! That makes zero sense.
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