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Post by TCHOF on Nov 19, 2023 17:26:11 GMT -5
true....but as Herm says. "you play to win the game". THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. You don’t like any of the QB’s but want us to lose for a higher draft pick? 🤔🤔
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 19, 2023 17:26:32 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? I wasn't sure, had to look it up. It happened in 2019 when they Giants swept the then Redskins, including next to last week win. They got Chase Young at #2 and the Giants got Andrew Thomas at #4. Yes I remember that game. I was so disappointed after that Giant meaningless win. But in this case we probably lose the QB if were after one. And if we win another game we'll be lucky to pick 4th. We play N.E. next week.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:30:54 GMT -5
So let me ask you guys who loved this win a hypothetical question because this could very well happen. Say this win was the difference between us having the 2nd overall pick vs the 3rd or 4th overall pick and say a team offers the 2nd overall pick their current 10th overall, 2 future 1sts, this years 2nd and next years third? Which would you rather have, the future picks or the win today? I wasn't sure, had to look it up. It happened in 2019 when they Giants swept the then Redskins, including next to last week win. They got Chase Young at #2 and the Giants got Andrew Thomas at #4. Yeah, that sure worked out in our favor but again, my opinion is more predicated on this being a “deep” QB class with two “generational” QB’s (neither of who I want) and a lot of QB needy teams, including ourselves. There’s absolutely no telling what will happen but I think our odds are better with a higher draft pick. I’ll tell ya right now, if I knew Schoen would pick Maye with the 2nd overall pick instead of a chance to trade back, I would prefer they win the rest of their games and just go with someone else with the 10th pick or whatever it would be. For the record, I liked Rosen too so for all I know Maye may be all that, I just don’t see it nor do several other people who have started watching more of his games.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:33:55 GMT -5
I get that and being somewhat hypocritical, IF that were the cowboys and IF it was the last game of the year and IF it meant keeping them out of the playoffs I would PROBABLY root for the Giants because I hate them that much but if I was thinking logically and trusted Schoen, I would have to think of what’s better for our team and it would be future picks. Now if DG was still around, I wouldn’t care because I would know he would f it up anyways. I get it, expected a loss today and was ok with it until the game unfolded. In the long term it may hurt but Daboll needed that W, even if against cannon fodder Commies. Yeah, as I said, I truly am happy for Dabs and the players. Moreso Dabs because I do like him and Schoen a lot, even though they have had their hiccups this year I have a lot of faith in them and think they deserve at least 2-3 more years. I never felt that way about the mor recent HC’s and especially GM’s.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 17:34:11 GMT -5
I wasn't sure, had to look it up. It happened in 2019 when they Giants swept the then Redskins, including next to last week win. They got Chase Young at #2 and the Giants got Andrew Thomas at #4. Yes I remember that game. I was so disappointed after that Giant meaningless win. But in this case we probably lose the QB if were after one. And if we win another game we'll be lucky to pick 4th. We play N.E. next week. I don't follow college football so I don't know about the much talked QBs but yes, the stakes are different this year.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 17:37:23 GMT -5
Jets beating the Raiders cost them Trevor Lawrence so the Jets got this guy
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Post by McCherry on Nov 19, 2023 17:39:44 GMT -5
THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. You don’t like any of the QB’s but want us to lose for a higher draft pick? 🤔🤔 I was going to say the same. I'd love to hear Vin's logic on this. If you're a fan of the second tier QB's, you should be rooting for the Giants to keep winning a few more games.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Nov 19, 2023 17:42:11 GMT -5
Jets beating the Raiders cost them Trevor Lawrence so the Jets got this guy At least it happened off play and didn't cost a TD and ultimately the win vs. a hated rival.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:42:36 GMT -5
THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. You don’t like any of the QB’s but want us to lose for a higher draft pick? 🤔🤔 I don’t like the top 2 most “coveted” QB’s. I need to start watching Daniels since he seems all the rage now and I really like Penix but his injuries concern me. Now if we were able to trade back AND take a flyer on Penix, Nix, Daniels (if they’re still there) I would be all for it. I realize most of the top rated QB’s will be a bust or bus driver but I also guarantee there will be at least 2-3 franchise QB’s that come out of this draft, who they are, I can’t tell you confidently, just my worthless opinion. And with this teams needs, along my opinion of Williams and Maye, I would loving nothing more to have a top pick, trade back and draft another QB because I don’t think either of them are worth a top 2-3 pick but I bet some teams do, happens every year.
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Post by miggs on Nov 19, 2023 17:42:42 GMT -5
Glad Daboll and had De Vito take deeper drops. He locks on one receiver. Doesn't look for crossing safety valve receiver. Shojld throw the ball away, but prefers to run.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:48:27 GMT -5
You don’t like any of the QB’s but want us to lose for a higher draft pick? 🤔🤔 I was going to say the same. I'd love to hear Vin's logic on this. If you're a fan of the second tier QB's, you should be rooting for the Giants to keep winning a few more games. Not necessarily, see my logic a post or two above this. And again Mike, I realize eve if we have the 2nd or 3rd pick none of this may even happen. I just think the odds are better this year with all the QB’s and team that needs QB’s. Now if Schoen drafts Maye with ANY pick, I’ll be as po’d as when DG drafted DJ but I’ll still support Maye for the first 2 years or so, at least I’ll try, haha.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 17:54:43 GMT -5
I mean look at f’in Chicago. They’re probably gonna end up with 2 top 5 overall picks while Carolina is looking f’ed for awhile in the QB department. I doubt there’s not a lot of Bears fans complaining how they lost a worthless game or two last year that gave them that top pick and a chance for whichever QB they want or the chance to move back a bit and add to their dumpster fire.
Although I don’t agree, I get it, this is an age old debate and with us it’s been happening way too often because we’ve sucked so bad for so long.
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Post by redeyejedi on Nov 19, 2023 17:56:30 GMT -5
A wasted season and we won't draft a QB
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 19, 2023 18:01:03 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later...
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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 19, 2023 18:02:39 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... Hope all goes well for your dad!
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Post by SG88 on Nov 19, 2023 18:07:00 GMT -5
I mean look at f’in Chicago. They’re probably gonna end up with 2 top 5 overall picks while Carolina is looking f’ed for awhile in the QB department. I doubt there’s not a lot of Bears fans complaining how they lost a worthless game or two last year that gave them that top pick and a chance for whichever QB they want or the chance to move back a bit and add to their dumpster fire. Although I don’t agree, I get it, this is an age old debate and with us it’s been happening way too often because we’ve sucked so bad for so long. The way I feel about things now is that I will be happy with any win that we get. However, I won't be pissed when we lose. I haven't seen anyone on here or anywhere throwing a SB parade or overly impressed after beating Washington. We're 3-8.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 19, 2023 18:09:18 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... I hope that things go well with your dad now and going forward.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 18:15:03 GMT -5
I mean look at f’in Chicago. They’re probably gonna end up with 2 top 5 overall picks while Carolina is looking f’ed for awhile in the QB department. I doubt there’s not a lot of Bears fans complaining how they lost a worthless game or two last year that gave them that top pick and a chance for whichever QB they want or the chance to move back a bit and add to their dumpster fire. Although I don’t agree, I get it, this is an age old debate and with us it’s been happening way too often because we’ve sucked so bad for so long. big picture, it’s a QB league. A solid QB saves seasons, coaches, etc, etc.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 18:15:27 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... Even though I prefer the higher draft pick, enjoy the win, it was still nice to see them look like a somewhat competent team which has been a rarity. I hope Washington cleans up their act for dallas in a few days. Howell and that O line better get their shit together or it will be over by half time.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 19, 2023 18:15:35 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... I hope that things go well with your dad now and going forward. thanks guys, he's doing pretty well, considering (he's almost 91), should be released tomorrow, they were able to take care of the clot with an IV drip of some sort, so he didn't need any procedures. We'll be able to celebrate Thanksgiving in style!!!
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 18:18:30 GMT -5
I mean look at f’in Chicago. They’re probably gonna end up with 2 top 5 overall picks while Carolina is looking f’ed for awhile in the QB department. I doubt there’s not a lot of Bears fans complaining how they lost a worthless game or two last year that gave them that top pick and a chance for whichever QB they want or the chance to move back a bit and add to their dumpster fire. Although I don’t agree, I get it, this is an age old debate and with us it’s been happening way too often because we’ve sucked so bad for so long. big picture, it’s a QB league. A solid QB saves seasons, coaches, etc, etc. Agreed, what scares the shit out me this year though is that I’m not sold on any of the QB’s I’ve watched for various reasons. I’m sure there’s a few franchise QB’s out there but this could be like the Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson class. Schoen better nail it whoever he picks or we’ll be doing another full reset in 2-3 years.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 19, 2023 18:22:11 GMT -5
I hope that things go well with your dad now and going forward. thanks guys, he's doing pretty well, considering (he's almost 91), should be released tomorrow, they were able to take care of the clot with an IV drip of some sort, so he didn't need any procedures. We'll be able to celebrate Thanksgiving in style!!! Lucky they found it before it got to his heart, lungs or brain (or maybe it did?) which is obviously still survivable but could be much more dangerous (ie pulmonary embolism, stroke, MI, etc). Anyways, awesome that he’ll be home for Tday!
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 19, 2023 18:25:20 GMT -5
thanks guys, he's doing pretty well, considering (he's almost 91), should be released tomorrow, they were able to take care of the clot with an IV drip of some sort, so he didn't need any procedures. We'll be able to celebrate Thanksgiving in style!!! Lucky they found it before it got to his heart, lungs or brain (or maybe it did?) which is obviously still survivable but could be much more dangerous (ie pulmonary embolism, stroke, MI, etc). Anyways, awesome that he’ll be home for Tday! he had one 1/2 year ago, so he and mom know what the signs are...
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 19, 2023 18:28:19 GMT -5
big picture, it’s a QB league. A solid QB saves seasons, coaches, etc, etc. Agreed, what scares the shit out me this year though is that I’m not sold on any of the QB’s I’ve watched for various reasons. I’m sure there’s a few franchise QB’s out there but this could be like the Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson class. Schoen better nail it whoever he picks or we’ll be doing another full reset in 2-3 years. I think it’s very difficult to figure who or which will be the legit QB. They ALL hold onto the ball too long. Can’t tell which is the stud and can handle NY. Stroud looks ok although he was picked 3 times today and wasn’t sure about him. Those dismissing the draft position, I think they play for the moment. Makes too much sense for a shot at who the GM feels is the best QB rather than what falls to him, Jones took a big step back or no step forward. Very frustrating how piss poor Washington played twice which gave the Giants wins. Team needs an influx of talent including QB rather than a meaningless win for a team in competition for the top pick with Thanksgiving on deck.
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Post by njbigblue on Nov 19, 2023 18:29:28 GMT -5
true....but as Herm says. "you play to win the game". THEY play to win the game, Game, lol. I know this is probably hard for some of you to grasp due to my opinion but I’m probably the most competitive MF’er you would ever know. I don’t like losing coin flips. I will keep playing darts, pool, whatever…even if I’m getting my ass whipped over and over again until I win. I would never think of not giving it my all when I played football and rugby no matter how bad we were or how much we were ahead. I would mentally make ****ed up shit up about the people I played against just to give me that much more energy and hatred. BUT…I’m not playing for the Giants and for me, as a fan, I want whats best for the future of the team and between a higher draft pick (assuming Schoen doesn’t draft another Neal or become like DG and not pick up the phone for trade offers) vs beating a few shitty teams, I think one player or preferably future picks, are more important and beneficial. Now if we were talking about the difference between say 15th and 16th or 27th vs 28th or even 10th vs 11th, I wouldn’t care. But potentially having the 1st-3rd overall pick could be franchise changing for years to come, unlike a shitty win. So your saying you wished the Giants would lose. Well just cheer for the Commanders next time, they have a message board, and leave this board for Giants fans. I get it, a win affects a potential pick in the draft but what fan watches to see them lose. If your goal is for them to tank in mid November so they MIGHT get the next Tom Brady, well that is very sad. You could of just said "Great job but it will cost us on the draft" but you just persist and make fans upset when we win. You claim to be this competitive person but as a "fan" the Giants should lose because YOU FEEL it is the best for the team. Maybe leave the winning and losing up to the team and not bash the fans for feeling good for a win. Not every 1st round draft pick is a win. I never really post on here but your constant whining is annoying. As someone who has been a season ticket holder since the 80's and dumped a ton of money into this team I think I have the right to call this BS out. Get over it, it's a game and I think there are those that know more than you or I about the future of the Giants and what happens in their locker room.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 19, 2023 18:42:37 GMT -5
It's always great to win. So f*ck everyone rooting for us to tank. Agreed. It’s as if history means nothing to them. It’s simple: you either have a GM, scouting team, personnel dept/FO who can scout/evaluate/draft or you don’t. Gettleman had an abundance of high draft picks and it meant nothing. When you pick guys like Daniel Jones that’s why Gettelman was fired. This team has a lot of needs the most difficult position to draft is QB. People act like Tom Brady’s are easy to find. This team sucks especially the offense we have maybe 9 players I’d keep from the whole team. That means 83% is trash can water.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 18:43:41 GMT -5
Future picks. At the end of the day if they beat the Patriots and the Rams they will be outside the top 10 possibly, depending on what happens with the Bears and Cardinals Commanders Rams Panthers did I miss anyone. The Giants coaches have been getting guys open all year the scary part is Devito holding the ball all day is only one who could find some of those openings. Still need a QB so if Daniels or Penix or Nix is there when we draft I'm getting one of them. I think they could beat Green Bay too. Saints are not out of the conversation either. Last week against Philly when they bench everybody also. Yup we will see how things go it took 6 turn overs and 24 points off them to get this win.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 19, 2023 18:47:16 GMT -5
I missed the game today, dad's in the hospital for a blood clot (they have it under control, should be released tomorrow), but needless to say, I've had more important things going on...I'll watch the DVR later... Sorry to hear that Fletch but glad to hear they have it under control hope you and your family have a nice Thanksgiving.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 18:52:04 GMT -5
Ah, got it. Guess I'm not worried about him or another QB lighting us up every four years or so. Doubtful but it could happen, CeeDee Lamb sure didn’t have any problems and I think MHJ will be all that and some, could be wrong though. Yeah but CeeDee Lamb is in our division. A lot different than the Bears, Cardinals or Pats selecting Harrison Jr.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 19, 2023 18:53:18 GMT -5
Agreed. It’s as if history means nothing to them. It’s simple: you either have a GM, scouting team, personnel dept/FO who can scout/evaluate/draft or you don’t. Gettleman had an abundance of high draft picks and it meant nothing. When you pick guys like Daniel Jones that’s why Gettelman was fired. This team has a lot of needs the most difficult position to draft is QB. People act like Tom Brady’s are easy to find. This team sucks especially the offense we have maybe 9 players I’d keep from the whole team. That means 83% is trash can water. Not really. But selecting #1 or #2 doesn't guarantee you anything.
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