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Post by nyg2 on Nov 26, 2023 16:44:40 GMT -5
ease up buddy. A shit team wins on a shit day where fans spent time and money, Yeah..its time to ****ing smile for a minute or two. it may of come accross like I was pissy with you.. if that was the case don't take it that way. Just saying, not a whole lot to smile about if you'rea giants fan lol and I can't see how today is one of those times I think most Giants fans are conflicted. No one wants to lose, neither the fans, nor the players for that matter. It is however a simple fact that if the Giants FO wants Williams or Maye they will need to be picking in the top-2 and anyone telling you otherwise is simply deluding themselves. It would be better in that scenario for the Giants to simply have a top-2 pick than having to give up future draft picks in order to move into the top-2.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:45:02 GMT -5
We’re looking for a solution to a problem. Watching football, awful football, we’re hoping for the better draft picks. It’s out there so shouldn’t be considered bizarre. That’s just busting it off. And obviously Belicheck didn’t throw the ball into the endzone and didn’t play to win for a reason. You keep saying this, it doesn't make sense. Why would you throw a hail Mary rather than hit a short field goal to send it into overtime? How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history,
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Post by GameTime on Nov 26, 2023 16:45:51 GMT -5
it may of come accross like I was pissy with you.. if that was the case don't take it that way. Just saying, not a whole lot to smile about if you'rea giants fan lol and I can't see how today is one of those times I think most Giants fans are conflicted. No one wants to lose, neither the fans, nor the players for that matter. It is however a simple fact that if the Giants FO wants Williams or Maye they will need to be picking in the top-2 and anyone telling you otherwise is simply deluding themselves. It would be better in that scenario for the Giants to simply have a top-2 pick than having to give up future draft picks in order to move into the top-2. thats why at this point if the win I am ok with it and if they lose I am ok with that too.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:45:54 GMT -5
smile about what loooking like dogshit against another dogshit team and losing valuable draft spots.. ****ing cool bro. I'm fine with the Giants having won this game. It's largely meaningless from a standings point of view but it has value in the locker room and with the players. The draft spots argument is complete nonsense, imo because it's actual football, not fantasy football. . lol, the draft are actual players and the team is real so the fantasy take is nonsense.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 26, 2023 16:46:10 GMT -5
smile about what loooking like dogshit against another dogshit team and losing valuable draft spots.. ****ing cool bro. I'm fine with the Giants having won this game. It's largely meaningless from a standings point of view but it has value in the locker room and with the players. The draft spots argument is complete nonsense, imo because it's actual football, not fantasy football. . yeah well, i'm a fan not a player in the locker room who most likely isn't going to be on the roster next season anyway. Secondly, as a fan as soon as the playoffs are over its more beneficial to me as a fan to see the team get players I like watching on sundays. So, yeah. I'm a fan not a footballl player on the giants, nor do you or anyone know what it a 10-7 win against one of the worst teams in the NFL means for the NY giants players lol
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Post by GameTime on Nov 26, 2023 16:46:29 GMT -5
You keep saying this, it doesn't make sense. Why would you throw a hail Mary rather than hit a short field goal to send it into overtime? How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, look at his roster. lol
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 16:46:31 GMT -5
You keep saying this, it doesn't make sense. Why would you throw a hail Mary rather than hit a short field goal to send it into overtime? How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, You're going to throw a 40 yard pass into the end zone instead of kick a FG most kickers make over 90 percent of the time? You have to see how that doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:47:02 GMT -5
actually, you didn’t know until qtr 1 like two seasons ago. nope..I didnt I was all on board for this season to see this team keep improving. Obvioulsy they took several steps back. It happens; fans thought the 2017 Giants were going to improve also. Many of us don't look deep enough at the realities when it comes to fandom.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:47:18 GMT -5
How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, You're going to throw a 40 yard pass into the end zone instead of kick a FG most kickers make over 90 percent of the time? You have to see how that doesn't make any sense. He Ran the Clock Down
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 26, 2023 16:47:18 GMT -5
Good post. It’s like these fans haven’t experienced the “Chase Young” bowl, two recent failed #2 overall picks at QB by our stadium-mates, and our own failed #6 pick at QB. They’re still convinced that losing a couple of draft spots is a death-knell for this franchise…lol if you need a QB, it certainly can be. This isn’t looking for a DE like Chase Young, This dials back to that ridiculous Barkley draft when the Giants needed a QB and have been lost ever since, They need a QB again and now, Jones or not, the Giants are in QB hell. Except that in the Barkley draft the QB crowd wanted Darnold. Before each draft, I’ve been told by people on this MB who “watch film” (probably means 3 minutes of highlights on YouTube) that countless shit QB’s are going to be superstars. We’ve literally had posters start threads about Chad Kelly and Carson Strong. Twitter scouts wanted us to take Malik Willis at 5 a couple of years ago. I agree with you that we need a QB, but forgive me if I don’t trust a single one of you to tell me who that QB should be.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:48:06 GMT -5
nope..I didnt I was all on board for this season to see this team keep improving. Obvioulsy they took several steps back. It happens; fans thought the 2017 Giants were going to improve also. Many of us don't look deep enough at the realities when it comes to fandom. yeah, they had no OL so the fans blamed the coach lol
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:48:24 GMT -5
actually, you didn’t know until qtr 1 like two seasons ago. nope..I didnt I was all on board for this season to see this team keep improving. Obvioulsy they took several steps back. It happens; fans thought the 2017 Giants were going to improve also. Many of us don't look deep enough at the realities when it comes to fandom. Even after seeing the GB playoff game some still thought that the team would be better in 2017. You can't fault fans for being fans.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 16:48:31 GMT -5
You keep saying this, it doesn't make sense. Why would you throw a hail Mary rather than hit a short field goal to send it into overtime? How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, You've created this bizarre, fantasy story. It's not going for the 2 point conversion to win instead of tie haha. It's a 35 yd FG to send it to OT and give your team a chance to win the game. 32/32 head coaches kick the FG.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 16:49:28 GMT -5
You're going to throw a 40 yard pass into the end zone instead of kick a FG most kickers make over 90 percent of the time? You have to see how that doesn't make any sense. He Ran the Clock Down It doesn't matter haha, so he gets a first down. There still has to be a kick, it's still Bill tying the game eventually. Why go for it on 4th down to make it a 32 yard field goal instead of a 35 yd field goal?
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:51:10 GMT -5
I'm fine with the Giants having won this game. It's largely meaningless from a standings point of view but it has value in the locker room and with the players. The draft spots argument is complete nonsense, imo because it's actual football, not fantasy football. . lol, the draft are actual players and the team is real so the fantasy take is nonsense. Were that the situation, I'd agree with you. But the comment wasn't about the players or the team it was about fan's misguided mindset around tanking for draft position.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 16:51:19 GMT -5
There is no scenario where the patriots aren't attempting a FG. Even if they converted that first down, which makes no sense because it is still just eventually a short field goal.
The only scenario is OT. There's no end zone in play. The difference is getting stopped on 4th down guarantees you lose the game. They weren't on the fringe of FG range.
One of the most bizarre takes I've read.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 26, 2023 16:52:43 GMT -5
nope..I didnt I was all on board for this season to see this team keep improving. Obvioulsy they took several steps back. It happens; fans thought the 2017 Giants were going to improve also. Many of us don't look deep enough at the realities when it comes to fandom. Even after seeing the GB playoff game some still thought that the team would be better in 2017. You can't fault fans for being fans. I feel I have a decent working knowledge of the game. Of course my fan bias may add a win or two extra with a pre season prediction but there is no way in hell I saw a season like this coming. I looked at maybe 10 wins if they kept improving as the season wore on.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:53:03 GMT -5
if you need a QB, it certainly can be. This isn’t looking for a DE like Chase Young, This dials back to that ridiculous Barkley draft when the Giants needed a QB and have been lost ever since, They need a QB again and now, Jones or not, the Giants are in QB hell. Except that in the Barkley draft the QB crowd wanted Darnold. Before each draft, I’ve been told by people on this MB who “watch film” (probably means 3 minutes of highlights on YouTube) that countless shit QB’s are going to be superstars. We’ve literally had posters start threads about Chad Kelly and Carson Strong. Twitter scouts wanted us to take Malik Willis at 5 a couple of years ago. I agree with you that we need a QB, but forgive me if I don’t trust a single one of you to tell me who that QB should be. yeah, the watch the film Barkley fans, including Kim Jones, we’re all adamant . . . then disappeared. The QB crew, yeah, I don’t trust any of these QBs yet if there is one or two who separate themselves from the pack I’d rather my Giants have a shot at him. The draft goes beyond Round 1 too. Have no idea when a team is this awful why, and it might be just here, don’t care where they pick. Those same fans have a history of killing the coach when the roster doesn’t have talent.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 16:54:05 GMT -5
How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, You've created this bizarre, fantasy story. It's not going for the 2 point conversion to win instead of tie haha. It's a 35 yd FG to send it to OT and give your team a chance to win the game. 32/32 head coaches kick the FG. please, go find somebody who can explain what running the clock down means b/c it is clearly in your blind spot.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:55:31 GMT -5
if you need a QB, it certainly can be. This isn’t looking for a DE like Chase Young, This dials back to that ridiculous Barkley draft when the Giants needed a QB and have been lost ever since, They need a QB again and now, Jones or not, the Giants are in QB hell. Except all those QBs they would have taken are busts except Mayfield, who is an okay starter. All of the sure thing QBs in that draft have flamed out with the exception of the purported long shot Allen. Strangely, all four will still of course be going to the Hall of Fame.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 26, 2023 16:56:20 GMT -5
We’re looking for a solution to a problem. Watching football, awful football, we’re hoping for the better draft picks. It’s out there so shouldn’t be considered bizarre. That’s just busting it off. And obviously Belicheck didn’t throw the ball into the endzone and didn’t play to win for a reason. You keep saying this, it doesn't make sense. Why would you throw a hail Mary rather than hit a short field goal to send it into overtime? I’m pretty sure Belichik knows a thing or two about how to win games. They make a chip shot FG, I think all Giant fans know how that game is ending in OT.
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Post by nyg2 on Nov 26, 2023 16:57:17 GMT -5
How can you ask that? That wasn’t a Hail Mary. He let the clock run down. The team is 2-8, you’re on the road. Go win. Instead, Belicheck goes for the tie? Please lol. Bill is a guy who goes for it in a playoff game deep in his own end with a season on the line yet he won’t go for it in a meaningless game? 🤔 Think!! Look at his history, You're going to throw a 40 yard pass into the end zone instead of kick a FG most kickers make over 90 percent of the time? You have to see how that doesn't make any sense. Regardless of the weather the kicker should’ve made that, it was basically an XP kick. It is strange though that they had the ball at the 22 yard line with 1:11 on the clock and two time outs, and didn’t even attempt to throw it into the end zone.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:57:50 GMT -5
I'm fine with the Giants having won this game. It's largely meaningless from a standings point of view but it has value in the locker room and with the players. The draft spots argument is complete nonsense, imo because it's actual football, not fantasy football. . yeah well, i'm a fan not a player in the locker room who most likely isn't going to be on the roster next season anyway. Secondly, as a fan as soon as the playoffs are over it's more beneficial to me as a fan to see the team get players I like watching on sundays. So, yeah. I'm a fan not a footballl player on the giants, nor do you or anyone know what it a 10-7 win against one of the worst teams in the NFL means for the NY giants players lol That's fair enough. IMO, it means more to the team and the organization than tanking for a draft choice. Then again, I'm not a guy that considers buying lottery tickets a financial strategy so my opinion might be a bit a bit left of center.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 16:59:41 GMT -5
It happens; fans thought the 2017 Giants were going to improve also. Many of us don't look deep enough at the realities when it comes to fandom. yeah, they had no OL so the fans blamed the coach lol Which is ridiculous, the coach lost the team, he was just in way over his head and that was on him. The OL issues were not.
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 26, 2023 17:02:29 GMT -5
Clearly a competent team is too much to ask for, our defense is a work in progress, our offense is anemic. The stadium is probably rigged for fireworks after EVERY win, no matter who they play, or what their record is. Are we only allowed to set off fireworks when we have a winning record and defeat a winning team? Cmon, Tommy Cutlets just won his home opener, the parade is tomorrow through Union Ave in Bellville at 9am, free Mortadella for everyone!!! the stadium is not rigged to set off fireworks after EVERY win 🤦♂️. Stop I would LOVE to make a gentlemans $1 bet about that, i just have no idea how to confirm that information
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 26, 2023 17:02:49 GMT -5
smile about what loooking like dogshit against another dogshit team and losing valuable draft spots.. ****ing cool bro. I'm fine with the Giants having won this game. It's largely meaningless from a standings point of view but it has value in the locker room and with the players. The draft spots argument is complete nonsense, imo because it's actual football, not fantasy football. . What I said last week to the "lose for a higher draft pick" crowd I think if the Giants were to have finished 2-15 the fallout of that historic ineptitude would far outweigh the extra draft slot, IMO. Fallout = firing of Daboll or both. Or the infighting we’ve seen in the past. Players quitting in the last couple of weeks leading to drastic reactions (eg Fassel in 2002?ish). If the Giants were to lose 9 in a row (or whatever it would have been) going 2-15… there’d be a lot more shit to contend with versus the “joy” of moving up from #4 to #3 or #2.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 26, 2023 17:02:50 GMT -5
You're going to throw a 40 yard pass into the end zone instead of kick a FG most kickers make over 90 percent of the time? You have to see how that doesn't make any sense. Regardless of the weather the kicker should’ve made that, it was basically an XP kick. It is strange though that they had the ball at the 22 yard line with 1:11 on the clock and two time outs, and didn’t even attempt to throw it into the end zone. They wanted to on one of the plays before the fg. They had two guys running end zone routes on one pass play. Replay on tv even showed it and the Giants defense clamped it down. Announcers even called it out.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 17:03:18 GMT -5
You've created this bizarre, fantasy story. It's not going for the 2 point conversion to win instead of tie haha. It's a 35 yd FG to send it to OT and give your team a chance to win the game. 32/32 head coaches kick the FG. please, go find somebody who can explain what running the clock down means b/c it is clearly in your blind spot. 🙄🙄 dude, I know he ran the clock down, even if he didn't and converted the 4th down, there still wasn't enough time to take real shots at the end zone. Every scenario leads to a FG attempt. The only difference is you could be stopped on 4th down, and never get that chance. The attempt was already a short one. The decision made complete sense, they weren't even in the redzone 😂. This is such a bizarre stance to take, let alone connect it to Bill tanking? He's not even gonna be the coach of the Patriots next year.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:03:38 GMT -5
yeah, they had no OL so the fans blamed the coach lol Which is ridiculous, the coach lost the team, he was just in way over his head and that was on him. The OL issues were not. Not going 10 Rounds on that fantasy. The front office, who drafted Eli Apple the prior year, added zero OL followed by the claim Eli was done. They have never recovered from making him the scapegoat that year.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:06:09 GMT -5
the stadium is not rigged to set off fireworks after EVERY win 🤦♂️. Stop I would LOVE to make a gentlemans $1 bet about that, i just have no idea how to confirm that oh Christ, I made the mistake of being a PSL and season ticket holder. I know. Save the dollar, I lost too much for a $1 dollar to make me feel better
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