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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 26, 2023 17:06:16 GMT -5
I'm putting this game in the win column! The defense plays strong and Tommy takes the next step! Giants 31 Patriots 10 PS - And Neals out! Just had the wrong score!
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 26, 2023 17:08:10 GMT -5
I would LOVE to make a gentlemans $1 bet about that, i just have no idea how to confirm that information oh Christ, I made the mistake of being a PSL and season ticket holder. I know. Save the dollar, I lost too much for a $1 dollar to make me feel better. Well if we ever meet up at a game, ill give you an extra free medium pepsi. So youre saying they only set up fireworks for certain games?? What quantifies those games??
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:09:20 GMT -5
oh Christ, I made the mistake of being a PSL and season ticket holder. I know. Save the dollar, I lost too much for a $1 dollar to make me feel better. Well if we ever meet up at a game, ill give you an extra free medium pepsi. So youre saying they only set up fireworks for certain games?? What quantifies those games?? I’ll give you the $7 back b/c a medium Pepsi is probably $8 bucks
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 17:09:46 GMT -5
Which is ridiculous, the coach lost the team, he was just in way over his head and that was on him. The OL issues were not. Not going 10 Rounds on that fantasy. The front office, who drafted Eli Apple the prior year, added zero OL followed by the claim Eli was done. They have never recovered from making him the scapegoat that year. There's no need to, we all watched it in real time; I've no interest in your history revisions. The OL was shot by 2012 and the FO never adequately addressed that issue; their OL draft picks were awful. The idea that McAdoo was scapegoated isn't ridiculous. The idea that he's blameless and it's the only reason he was fired is.
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 26, 2023 17:11:35 GMT -5
Well if we ever meet up at a game, ill give you an extra free medium pepsi. So youre saying they only set up fireworks for certain games?? What quantifies those games?? I’ll give you the $7 back b/c a medium Pepsi is probably $8 bucks Dont worry, I typically sneak a few pouches of whiskey into games as well so itll make that soda taste a little better and the game to go down a little easier
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:12:10 GMT -5
Not going 10 Rounds on that fantasy. The front office, who drafted Eli Apple the prior year, added zero OL followed by the claim Eli was done. They have never recovered from making him the scapegoat that year. There's no need to, we all watched it in real time; I've no interest in your history revisions. The OL was shot by 2012 and the FO never adequately addressed that issue; their OL draft picks were awful. The idea that McAdoo was scapegoated isn't ridiculous. The idea that he's blameless and it's the only reason he was fired is. they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 17:19:34 GMT -5
There's no need to, we all watched it in real time; I've no interest in your history revisions. The OL was shot by 2012 and the FO never adequately addressed that issue; their OL draft picks were awful. The idea that McAdoo was scapegoated isn't ridiculous. The idea that he's blameless and it's the only reason he was fired is. they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Yup, full circle. They made the playoffs last year too. And this year the team sucks, just like 2017's team did. The difference really is that players haven't quit on Daboll and he hasn't lost control and started suspending players. We'll see; there's still 5 weeks to go.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 17:22:43 GMT -5
There's no need to, we all watched it in real time; I've no interest in your history revisions. The OL was shot by 2012 and the FO never adequately addressed that issue; their OL draft picks were awful. The idea that McAdoo was scapegoated isn't ridiculous. The idea that he's blameless and it's the only reason he was fired is. they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went from 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year.
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Post by Analyst on Nov 26, 2023 17:25:51 GMT -5
Im surprised our defense did as well as they did. Without Dex. Thought the Pats would run us to death
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:31:27 GMT -5
they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went to 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year. disagree the receivers killed the Giants vs the Pack after that boat trip. ALL the receivers lost time or went down the following season and the OL failed. That wasn’t on the HC, that’s the media leading people around and then the rebel after benching Eli who was done. They have never recovered.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 26, 2023 17:35:12 GMT -5
Except that in the Barkley draft the QB crowd wanted Darnold. Before each draft, I’ve been told by people on this MB who “watch film” (probably means 3 minutes of highlights on YouTube) that countless shit QB’s are going to be superstars. We’ve literally had posters start threads about Chad Kelly and Carson Strong. Twitter scouts wanted us to take Malik Willis at 5 a couple of years ago. I agree with you that we need a QB, but forgive me if I don’t trust a single one of you to tell me who that QB should be. yeah, the watch the film Barkley fans, including Kim Jones, we’re all adamant . . . then disappeared. I would have drafted Darnold over Barkley This is why I don't care about "get a higher draft pick."
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 17:35:21 GMT -5
Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went to 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year. disagree the receivers killed the Giants vs the Pack after that boat trip. ALL the receivers went down and the OL failed. That wasn’t on the HC, that’s the media leading people around and then the rebel after benching Eli who was done. They have never recovered. The offense was not nearly as good in 16 as the prior two years regardless of that playoff game and still trying to blame a boat trip. They had the 24th ranked offense in 2016 after being 7 in 2015. Without the defensive improvement the team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. They also won 8 won score games instead of losing them in the last 60 seconds. Even more than regressing to the mean. It was a fluke year in every sense of the word.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 17:40:26 GMT -5
they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Yup, full circle. They made the playoffs last year too. And this year the team sucks, just like 2017's team did. The difference really is that players haven't quit on Daboll and he hasn't lost control and started suspending players. We'll see; there's still 5 weeks to go. Also this is a young team more draft picks then free agents, the ones they do have are not cancers kind of different situations. That 2017 team was loaded with vets that liked the check$$ and would play didn't want anything to do with leadership also Mac insisted on having Eli play behind 5 OLs refusing to max protect when he had an older pocket passer guy buried himself.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 17:44:46 GMT -5
disagree the receivers killed the Giants vs the Pack after that boat trip. ALL the receivers went down and the OL failed. That wasn’t on the HC, that’s the media leading people around and then the rebel after benching Eli who was done. They have never recovered. The offense was not nearly as good in 16 as the prior two years regardless of that playoff game and still trying to blame a boat trip. They had the 24th ranked offense in 2016 after being 7 in 2015. Withoutnth defensive improvement the team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. They also won 8 won score games instead of losing them in the last 60 seconds. Even more than regressing to the mean. It was a fluke year in every sense of the word. If you look back they played a schedule that was pathetic really the Eagles had a rookie went and the cowboys and rookies Dak and Zeke Dak was reading half field that first year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 17:48:15 GMT -5
they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went from 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year. Big difference was that TC always made sure the QB was protected no matter what it took 2 men in the route 8 in Mac left Eli and older pocket passer sitting in the pocket just bad coaching all the way around guy hasn't done anything since he left here.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:48:39 GMT -5
yeah, the watch the film Barkley fans, including Kim Jones, we’re all adamant . . . then disappeared. I would have drafted Darnold over Barkley This is why I don't care about "get a higher draft pick." It’s not about who I would have drafted. It’s who the front office should have drafted. The Giants needed a QB if who I mentioned makes you not care, I’m not sure what to tell you. I also wanted Donald over OBJ. Should we win more in hopes of drafting later b/c Donald and OBJ went post pick 10?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 17:50:05 GMT -5
they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went from 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year. Eagles actually suckered Reese and Ross into panicking and signing him when they were acting like they might sign him, then pivoting and getting the guy they wanted all along Peterson
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:55:15 GMT -5
The offense was not nearly as good in 16 as the prior two years regardless of that playoff game and still trying to blame a boat trip. They had the 24th ranked offense in 2016 after being 7 in 2015. Withoutnth defensive improvement the team wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. They also won 8 won score games instead of losing them in the last 60 seconds. Even more than regressing to the mean. It was a fluke year in every sense of the word. If you look back they played a schedule that was pathetic really the Eagles had a rookie went and the cowboys and rookies Dak and Zeke Dak was reading half field that first year. so those teams were powerhouses the following season? The Giants couldn’t block Dallas game one.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 18:01:32 GMT -5
If you look back they played a schedule that was pathetic really the Eagles had a rookie went and the cowboys and rookies Dak and Zeke Dak was reading half field that first year. so those teams were powerhouses the following season? The Giants couldn’t block Dallas game one. It just backs up how pathetic that roster was and how bad that coach was I'm sorry that was the biggest mistake they ever made was hiring him thye either should have went outdside or kept TC, he wasn't ready and he still isn't not even an OC job except from Matt Rhule.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 26, 2023 18:15:01 GMT -5
Does two in a row mean that I must be golfing during all of our remaining games? That feels like a win-win to me.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 26, 2023 18:28:22 GMT -5
The only single events that one could argue set this franchise back were:
1. Hiring Dave Gettleman 2. Not firing Dave Gettleman after the 2019 season
It's not more complicated than that.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 26, 2023 18:33:40 GMT -5
This is why I don't care about "get a higher draft pick." It’s not about who I would have drafted. It’s who the front office should have drafted. The Giants needed a QB if who I mentioned makes you not care, I’m not sure what to tell you. I also wanted Donald over OBJ. Should we win more in hopes of drafting later b/c Donald and OBJ went post pick 10? It's like what I tell everyone for the past few weeks. Williams and Maye could end up Mayfield and Darnold. So I don't care about "lose so we can draft higher and pick the QB we desperately need." I hated the Barkley (running back namely) selection #2 overall. But it's clear that he was a better choice than Darnold.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 18:38:23 GMT -5
It’s not about who I would have drafted. It’s who the front office should have drafted. The Giants needed a QB if who I mentioned makes you not care, I’m not sure what to tell you. I also wanted Donald over OBJ. Should we win more in hopes of drafting later b/c Donald and OBJ went post pick 10? It's like what I tell everyone for the past few weeks. Williams and Maye could end up Mayfield and Darnold. So I don't care about "lose so we can draft higher and pick the QB we desperately need." I hated the Barkley (running back namely) selection #2 overall. But it's clear that he was a better choice than Darnold. Well, the Giants have traveled to watch Maye six times so something is up. And even though Darnold was a bust the Giants have not won with Barkley. He hasn’t really performed well.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 26, 2023 18:44:07 GMT -5
It's like what I tell everyone for the past few weeks. Williams and Maye could end up Mayfield and Darnold. So I don't care about "lose so we can draft higher and pick the QB we desperately need." I hated the Barkley (running back namely) selection #2 overall. But it's clear that he was a better choice than Darnold. Well, the Giants have traveled to watch Maye six times so something is up. And even though Darnold was a bust the Giants have not won with Barkley. He hasn’t really performed well. The Giants haven't won with Barkley, Jones, Thomas, Lawrence, Neal, Thibodeaux, etc either. Should we have drafted a QB over them too? I know what you're getting at. My biggest point of contention is the thought that losing = higher draft pick = better player selected, therefore we should lose every game. There's a history of draft picks that show the complete opposite in overwhelming fashion.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2023 19:04:07 GMT -5
they made the playoffs with Mac. The never added to the OL that off-season. And have never recovered from defending Eli from Mac’s comments. Mac gutted a very good offense schematically when he became head coach for no reason whatsoever other than seemingly wanting to make it "100 percent his own" instead of his and Coughlin's after Coughlin was gone. And it was a worse offense in every way. Boring, devoid of good vertical passing concepts that were very present in the 15 and 14 offense. He got carried to the playoffs by a top 5 defense where every high priced free agent acquisition played out of their minds. The defense went from 32 to top 5 in one off-season. In 2015 Coughlin lost 8 games in the last 60 seconds with a far shittier defense and went 6 and 10. Mac was never good, he had the stars align in his first year. That offense went from top 10 to virtually last in one year.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 19:05:55 GMT -5
Well, the Giants have traveled to watch Maye six times so something is up. And even though Darnold was a bust the Giants have not won with Barkley. He hasn’t really performed well. The Giants haven't won with Barkley, Jones, Thomas, Lawrence, Neal, Thibodeaux, etc either. Should we have drafted a QB over them too? considering our QB situation, probably. We know Gettleman scouted Hebert often yet never saw Jones until the Senior Bowl.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Nov 26, 2023 19:11:55 GMT -5
The Giants haven't won with Barkley, Jones, Thomas, Lawrence, Neal, Thibodeaux, etc either. Should we have drafted a QB over them too? considering our QB situation, probably. We know Gettleman scouted Hebert often yet never saw Jones until the Senior Bowl. I've never liked the Jones pick. IMO it was a desperation move by Gettleman after selecting a RB #2 overall the year before. I was huge on Herbert and was bummed he didn't declare the year before. But wouldn't you agree it would have been best to forego drafting Jones at 6 and waiting next year to see if we could have gotten Herbert (our true target)?
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 26, 2023 19:20:25 GMT -5
considering our QB situation, probably. We know Gettleman scouted Hebert often yet never saw Jones until the Senior Bowl. I've never liked the Jones pick. IMO it was a desperation move by Gettleman after selecting a RB #2 overall the year before. I was huge on Herbert and was bummed he didn't declare the year before. But wouldn't you agree it would have been best to forego drafting Jones at 6 and waiting next year to see if we could have gotten Herbert (our true target)? No idea if you forego a QB when you need one and picking so early. You don’t want to reach so Gettleman should have stuck with Eli. Actually, he should have gone QB imo rather than Barkley or traded. this upcoming year, I think they all hold the ball too long. With no legit backup and no starter for 2024 the team is desperate imo. We’re in QB hell.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 26, 2023 20:01:34 GMT -5
Does two in a row mean that I must be golfing during all of our remaining games? That feels like a win-win to me. Then you would be doing yourself and the Gaints a favor you don't have suffer through it and they might win.
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Post by yoho on Nov 26, 2023 20:05:23 GMT -5
Im surprised our defense did as well as they did. Without Dex. Thought the Pats would run us to death when they ran, they did run all over us!
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