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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 16:32:54 GMT -5
Devito is a really good story. He just isn't a franchise QB. Whenever he hangs onto the ball for more than 3 seconds, he's screwed. Seeing that he is pretty much 8's equal says all you need to know about the QB situation of the NYG. The hyperbole here is crazy.... The kid is a good story and a small bright spot in a terrible season but lets not lose our minds. What you saw today is what happens when when DC's get a bit of film on someone. DJ is no world beater, but saying DiVito is his equal in pure BS. I think at the end of the day it is time for them if they have conviction with one of these kids to trade up and get the next franchise QB get a guard or 2 in Freeagancy and or the draft
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Post by SG88 on Dec 17, 2023 16:34:05 GMT -5
He should start the rest of our games this season. Nothing to lose or gain either way. I think that we will not win another game this season. It is the best PR move. It will keep fans watching who think Tommy is the next franchise savior. They will milk this as long as they can. Agreed
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 17, 2023 16:44:38 GMT -5
I don't think anyone really felt DeVito was going to be the future starter for this team, but once again it is impossible for any QB to have sustained success behind this horrible OL.
The sad part is other than Neal being out the rest are all starters, and the interior of this line is horrible. Its hard to believe how absolutely bad it is.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2023 16:54:32 GMT -5
How do you quantify that?? I hate when fans call out a team's heart, how do you know these guys weren't out there trying as hard as they could? Sure, tell them they suck, our schemes and gameplan was shit, but don't question their heart Pretty easily. I watch the game. You can see a team play with heart, and a team that’s out matched talent wise. They aren’t mutually exclusive. This team, as every giants team since 2015, has no heart. You really can’t see it? No
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2023 16:54:51 GMT -5
How do you quantify that?? I hate when fans call out a team's heart, how do you know these guys weren't out there trying as hard as they could? Sure, tell them they suck, our schemes and gameplan was shit, but don't question their heart to partially quote Rich McKay, I'm in favor of our offensive execution., It's amazing how little progress the offense has made after nearly 2 full seasons.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 16:55:21 GMT -5
He holds the ball too long. He sucks. An incomplete is 100% better than taking a 10 yard loss on a sack. He was the problem. Devito is a really good story. He just isn't a franchise QB. Whenever he hangs onto the ball for more than 3 seconds, he's screwed. Seeing that he is pretty much 8's equal says all you need to know about the QB situation of the NYG. DeVito is 5 games in he can learn and reset his clock Jones don't know if that can happen think he needs a new start some place else where bad OL play isn't considered an improvement.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2023 16:59:06 GMT -5
Devito is a really good story. He just isn't a franchise QB. Whenever he hangs onto the ball for more than 3 seconds, he's screwed. Seeing that he is pretty much 8's equal says all you need to know about the QB situation of the NYG. DeVito is 5 games in he can learn and reset his clock Jones don't know if that can happen think he needs a new start some place else where bad OL play isn't considered an improvement. No rookie at any position can be judged after 5 games. Does anyone recall Eli after 5 games?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 16:59:39 GMT -5
to partially quote Rich McKay, I'm in favor of our offensive execution., It's amazing how little progress the offense has made after nearly 2 full seasons. Guess you don't remember recent memory taking knees on 3rd downs at least last year we had some decent ball.
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Post by miggs on Dec 17, 2023 17:11:21 GMT -5
TD's lack of a decent frame renders him more vulnerable to injury than DJ.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 17:14:46 GMT -5
DeVito is 5 games in he can learn and reset his clock Jones don't know if that can happen think he needs a new start some place else where bad OL play isn't considered an improvement. No rookie at any position can be judged after 5 games. Does anyone recall Eli after 5 games? the difference is TC knew Elis potential. DeVito continually shows why he went Undrafted.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2023 17:15:46 GMT -5
It's amazing how little progress the offense has made after nearly 2 full seasons. Guess you don't remember recent memory taking knees on 3rd downs at least last year we had some decent ball. 18th overall. the offense was just okay in '22.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2023 17:20:16 GMT -5
No rookie at any position can be judged after 5 games. Does anyone recall Eli after 5 games? the difference is TC knew Elis potential. DeVito continually shows why he went Undrafted. It was one game... In one of the toughest places to play.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 17:21:22 GMT -5
the difference is TC knew Elis potential. DeVito continually shows why he went Undrafted. It was one game... In one of the toughest places to play. Come on even with 3-6 take aways. He barley won. He sucks.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 17, 2023 17:24:48 GMT -5
the biggest question is still why did Saquon play so little today?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 17:57:18 GMT -5
Guess you don't remember recent memory taking knees on 3rd downs at least last year we had some decent ball. 18th overall. the offense was just okay in '22. better than now and the year before taking knees on 3rd down they could run the ball effectively they has something to hang their hat on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 18:00:12 GMT -5
It was one game... In one of the toughest places to play. Come on even with 3-6 take aways. He barley won. He sucks. He is an UDFA that has some promise as a back up playing in his 5th NFL game suck maybe maybe not.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 18:04:38 GMT -5
Come on even with 3-6 take aways. He barley won. He sucks. He is an UDFA that has some promise as a back up playing in his 5th NFL game suck maybe maybe not. I think he is a PS player. What can he backup besides the ball marker.? He is good at making that go backwards. He will never beat a top QB. We do not need feel good stories. We need NFL players. He will be sacked 10 times next week. If the HC decides to go with him.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 17, 2023 18:04:47 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds.
They should take 3 Olinemen.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 18:05:50 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. They should take 3 Olinemen. I Agree 2 offensive 1 Defensive
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Post by Roswell on Dec 17, 2023 18:07:42 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. They should take 3 Olinemen. I Agree 2 offensive 1 Defensive I’d settle for that provided they bring in an Olineman as a free agent.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 18:31:33 GMT -5
He is an UDFA that has some promise as a back up playing in his 5th NFL game suck maybe maybe not. I think he is a PS player. What can he backup besides the ball marker.? He is good at making that go backwards. He will never beat a top QB. We do not need feel good stories. We need NFL players. He will be sacked 10 times next week. If the HC decides to go with him. It is already decided unless he changes his mind for me they need a starter I don't care who they choose as the back up. Also need a guard maybe 2 if they don't get a QB Daboll and Schoen will not be here past 4 years.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 18:37:42 GMT -5
I think he is a PS player. What can he backup besides the ball marker.? He is good at making that go backwards. He will never beat a top QB. We do not need feel good stories. We need NFL players. He will be sacked 10 times next week. If the HC decides to go with him. It is already decided unless he changes his mind for me they need a starter I don't care who they choose as the back up. Also need a guard maybe 2 if they don't get a QB Daboll and Schoen will not be here past 4 years. IDK: I think that put their eggs in that basket already.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 18:45:55 GMT -5
It is already decided unless he changes his mind for me they need a starter I don't care who they choose as the back up. Also need a guard maybe 2 if they don't get a QB Daboll and Schoen will not be here past 4 years. IDK: I think that put their eggs in that basket already. This move smells bad like Tanking leaving that kid in. Giants need to move on from this year and have a excellent draft and off season I really don't want to have to start over .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 18:48:15 GMT -5
I Agree 2 offensive 1 Defensive I’d settle for that provided they bring in an Olineman as a free agent. They need OL and DL that are pissed off bullies that like to crack skulls
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 17, 2023 20:27:24 GMT -5
Can we just agree that Vito is a great story but is not the future of this team or any team? I hope he wins all the rest of the games and leads us to the SB and takes Daniel Jones' job, but none of that is likely to happen.
With that agreed upon this OL is really terrible and will be the focus once again this offseason. There are some solid OGs in free agency though. We will be in position to add one in the first or second round as well. The lack of pass rush in some games really concerns me. It felt like we were playing off coverage while sending pressure, or playing press coverage while only rushing 4. Just didn't make sense. We got out played and out coached today IMO.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 17, 2023 22:51:47 GMT -5
Can we just agree that Vito is a great story but is not the future of this team or any team? I hope he wins all the rest of the games and leads us to the SB and takes Daniel Jones' job, but none of that is likely to happen. With that agreed upon this OL is really terrible and will be the focus once again this offseason. There are some solid OGs in free agency though. We will be in position to add one in the first or second round as well. The lack of pass rush in some games really concerns me. It felt like we were playing off coverage while sending pressure, or playing press coverage while only rushing 4. Just didn't make sense. We got out played and out coached today IMO. Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something .
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Post by Nite on Dec 17, 2023 23:18:33 GMT -5
Well...the good news is that the girls lost today
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 18, 2023 2:39:48 GMT -5
This is an important sentiment. This team has no heart. I’d go as far to say the organization as a whole has no heart and hasn’t had any since TC got fired. Been a long time being a fan of a franchise with no heart. How do you quantify that?? I hate when fans call out a team's heart, how do you know these guys weren't out there trying as hard as they could? Sure, tell them they suck, our schemes and gameplan was shit, but don't question their heart This is what happens when people confuse effort with ability this team wasn’t any good you won 3 games against 2 teams who were actively trying to lose and one who played poorly and fail with under 2 minutes to play. This team just played their way out of a franchise QB.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 18, 2023 2:46:52 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. They should take 3 Olinemen. Can we stop with the Offensive line already when Eli sucked it was the Offensive line When Jones sucked it was the Offensive line the truth is they have QB’s that make it work and make the team better. Jones isn’t good neither is DeVito. Eli was cooked by the time they wanted to address OL. The WR’s don’t separate we don’t have a WR1 and we NEED a QB.
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Post by miggs on Dec 18, 2023 5:36:49 GMT -5
Maybe it's crappy plays that prevents receivers from gaining separation not the core of receivers. Also, the OL is bad.
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