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Post by GameTime on Dec 18, 2023 7:14:05 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. They should take 3 Olinemen. Can we stop with the Offensive line already when Eli sucked it was the Offensive line When Jones sucked it was the Offensive line the truth is they have QB’s that make it work and make the team better. Jones isn’t good neither is DeVito. Eli was cooked by the time they wanted to address OL. The WR’s don’t separate we don’t have a WR1 and we NEED a QB. I agree with what you say BUT the OL is trash. Its a legit year in and year out issue. Some QBs can make it work most can't. The ones who do don't last too long without getting injured like Burrows.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 7:38:18 GMT -5
Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something . Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2023 7:44:24 GMT -5
Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something . Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
DJ was not looking like the answer even before either the neck or knee injury this year. Who knows if we'll resign Saquon, so RB may also be high on the list.
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Post by inthezone on Dec 18, 2023 8:42:52 GMT -5
They have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. They should take 3 Olinemen. Can we stop with the Offensive line already when Eli sucked it was the Offensive line When Jones sucked it was the Offensive line the truth is they have QB’s that make it work and make the team better. Jones isn’t good neither is DeVito. Eli was cooked by the time they wanted to address OL. The WR’s don’t separate we don’t have a WR1 and we NEED a QB. It's like you didn't watch the game yesterday with this comment. The oline was terrible and impossible to miss just how bad they played.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 18, 2023 8:59:22 GMT -5
I think some people dislike Jones so much that they won't admit that the OL is nearly impossible to have success with unless its against the worst teams in the league.
Its ok to think that Jones isn't the guy (and I am convinced he is NOT) and also realize the OL is garbage. Could a better QB have more success even with this OL? Yes, they probably could as you see examples of this with other teams.
But can you have sustained success and more importantly keep your QB healthy playing behind this OL? How many QB1's have gone down to injury this season?
I think we all know the answer to this question. They came close to losing their 3rd QB due to injury.
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Post by Nite on Dec 18, 2023 9:06:37 GMT -5
I think some people dislike Jones so much that they won't admit that the OL is nearly impossible to have success with unless its against the worst teams in the league. Its ok to think that Jones isn't the guy (and I am convinced he is NOT) and also realize the OL is garbage. Could a better QB have more success even with this OL? Yes, they probably could as you see examples of this with other teams. But can you have sustained success and more importantly keep your QB healthy playing behind this OL? How many QB1's have gone down to injury this season? I think we all know the answer to this question. They came close to losing their 3rd QB due to injury. I agree but we need a QB like a fish needs water. The problem is, do you trust the ppl making the decisions given their history? Our most urgent needs are QB AND OL.. You can throw in Edge and DT for good measure
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 18, 2023 9:26:56 GMT -5
Can one of you guys explain WTF the deal was at the end of the half yesterday with TT running the clock down and then spiking the ball?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 9:51:26 GMT -5
Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something . Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
I agree with all of this except Jones if they don't know going into year six the question is already answered and now they have to take into account he has never been healthy but 1 year. I have heard on a pod cast he has an injury clause in his contract that Guarantees another 25 mill on his 2025 salary making it impossible again to cut bad contract that I thought was good he needs to be put in bubble rap and they need to get a young healthy kid to backup DeVito or who ever. This clause makes this contract terrible giving his injury history It might be wise to move on possibly sooner than later as Schoen says take their medicine.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 10:02:41 GMT -5
Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
DJ was not looking like the answer even before either the neck or knee injury this year. Who knows if we'll resign Saquon, so RB may also be high on the list. I think we will re-sign Barkley but even if we don't I don't think it'll be a priority like these other positions. As for DJ, time will tell. This O looked like trash other than one half this season. Everyone has an opinion of who is most at fault for that, we will learn what Daboll / Schoen thinks this off season. I personally think Jones was the best player on the O when he played (Barkley took that crown at certain times as well).
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 10:07:20 GMT -5
I agree with all of this except Jones if they don't know going into year six the question is already answered and now they have to take into account he has never been healthy but 1 year. I have heard on a pod cast he has an injury clause in his contract that Guarantees another 25 mill on his 2025 salary making it impossible again to cut bad contract that I thought was good he needs to be put in bubble rap and they need to get a young healthy kid to backup DeVito or who ever. This clause makes this contract terrible giving his injury history It might be wise to move on possibly sooner than later as Schoen says take their medicine. My comment about QB was because Jones is injured, not because I think they are trying to decide if they want him. The GM and HC already decided Jones was their guy last year, it's the fans that deny that.
As for another QB, I could see us taking one during this draft, but not with our first pick. Jones is probably going to be out a bit next year and has an injury history. Investing in a young QB isn't a bad plan no matter how you feel about Jones (love or hate). Imagine if you can get Jayden Daniels in the end of round 1 or round 2 and have him taking all the first team reps and see how he does until Jones is healthy and then make a decision. Seems like a good plan.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 18, 2023 10:08:04 GMT -5
Can one of you guys explain WTF the deal was at the end of the half yesterday with TT running the clock down and then spiking the ball? I think rather than take another shot at the end zone or run one more play (remember the last time TT was trusted to run 1 more play before a half) they took the safe bet. Run the clock down and take the FG
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 10:19:05 GMT -5
Can we stop with the Offensive line already when Eli sucked it was the Offensive line When Jones sucked it was the Offensive line the truth is they have QB’s that make it work and make the team better. Jones isn’t good neither is DeVito. Eli was cooked by the time they wanted to address OL. The WR’s don’t separate we don’t have a WR1 and we NEED a QB. I agree with what you say BUT the OL is trash. Its a legit year in and year out issue. Some QBs can make it work most can't. The ones who do don't last too long without getting injured like Burrows. Guys have left here they don't become great Online man but get better and start else where and don't wreck games they need to examine everything especially the coach they need to pay the east to teach these guys. Pugh not great but above average after leaving Hernandez same thing plus he is a bully. The thinking that Guys make it work. not really Hurts or Dak get pressured like that with hits and sacks piling up they screw up, Mahomes the same shit he had a half year bad OL play a couple years back he was double digit picks and losing, tired of they make it work they don't. If you can't run it and a team can sit 8 or 9 guys 7 or 8 yards from the LOS you are screwed. It's silly to think that OL doesn't matter every team that has sucked over years the Browns / Lions Jags have come back because they finally win in the trenches it is and always will be where games are won and lost.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 10:21:00 GMT -5
I agree with all of this except Jones if they don't know going into year six the question is already answered and now they have to take into account he has never been healthy but 1 year. I have heard on a pod cast he has an injury clause in his contract that Guarantees another 25 mill on his 2025 salary making it impossible again to cut bad contract that I thought was good he needs to be put in bubble rap and they need to get a young healthy kid to backup DeVito or who ever. This clause makes this contract terrible giving his injury history It might be wise to move on possibly sooner than later as Schoen says take their medicine. My comment about QB was because Jones is injured, not because I think they are trying to decide if they want him. The GM and HC already decided Jones was their guy last year, it's the fans that deny that.
As for another QB, I could see us taking one during this draft, but not with our first pick. Jones is probably going to be out a bit next year and has an injury history. Investing in a young QB isn't a bad plan no matter how you feel about Jones (love or hate). Imagine if you can get Jayden Daniels in the end of round 1 or round 2 and have him taking all the first team reps and see how he does until Jones is healthy and then make a decision. Seems like a good plan.
I'm just saying they made a mistake good font offices move on from mistakes and from some of the contract details it's could be colossal if he gets hurt 1 more time then they are stuck with him
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 18, 2023 10:21:19 GMT -5
Can one of you guys explain WTF the deal was at the end of the half yesterday with TT running the clock down and then spiking the ball? I think rather than take another shot at the end zone or run one more play (remember the last time TT was trusted to run 1 more play before a half) they took the safe bet. Run the clock down and take the FG Well that's what I think also. But does Daboll really not trust TT to throw into the end zone?? It makes no sense to me.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 10:46:31 GMT -5
I agree with all of this except Jones if they don't know going into year six the question is already answered and now they have to take into account he has never been healthy but 1 year. I have heard on a pod cast he has an injury clause in his contract that Guarantees another 25 mill on his 2025 salary making it impossible again to cut bad contract that I thought was good he needs to be put in bubble rap and they need to get a young healthy kid to backup DeVito or who ever. This clause makes this contract terrible giving his injury history It might be wise to move on possibly sooner than later as Schoen says take their medicine. My comment about QB was because Jones is injured, not because I think they are trying to decide if they want him. The GM and HC already decided Jones was their guy last year, it's the fans that deny that.
As for another QB, I could see us taking one during this draft, but not with our first pick. Jones is probably going to be out a bit next year and has an injury history. Investing in a young QB isn't a bad plan no matter how you feel about Jones (love or hate). Imagine if you can get Jayden Daniels in the end of round 1 or round 2 and have him taking all the first team reps and see how he does until Jones is healthy and then make a decision. Seems like a good plan.
Love that plan the big thing is if he tests out of the building he is gonna rise like Richardson did think it is starting already. The Ravens and Bills started a blue print how to take a rookie QB physically gifted with bad fundamentals and technique issues up the ying yang and develop them, these guys aren't lasting that long anymore. It's the game managers that end up down the board some the Nix and Pennix McCarthy types they might not last that long I would rather get one of the top 3 by hook or crook and move on with my business.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2023 10:56:10 GMT -5
DJ was not looking like the answer even before either the neck or knee injury this year. Who knows if we'll resign Saquon, so RB may also be high on the list. I think we will re-sign Barkley but even if we don't I don't think it'll be a priority like these other positions. As for DJ, time will tell. This O looked like trash other than one half this season. Everyone has an opinion of who is most at fault for that, we will learn what Daboll / Schoen thinks this off season. I personally think Jones was the best player on the O when he played (Barkley took that crown at certain times as well). I think Jones was playing quite poorly this year before the injuries. He looked like he regressed significantly from what we saw towards the end of last season, instead of a progression, and that is taking the crap O Line play into account. Even with that, there were plays to be had that he missed in each game. Maybe he's simply shell shocked, but personally, I think it's deeper than that.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 11:04:06 GMT -5
I'm just saying they made a mistake good font offices move on from mistakes and from some of the contract details it's could be colossal if he gets hurt 1 more time then they are stuck with him My point is that you think they made a mistake, we have no idea if they think that or if they actually did make a mistake.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 11:07:29 GMT -5
Love that plan the big thing is if he tests out of the building he is gonna rise like Richardson did think it is starting already. The Ravens and Bills started a blue print how to take a rookie QB physically gifted with bad fundamentals and technique issues up the ying yang and develop them, these guys aren't lasting that long anymore. It's the game managers that end up down the board some the Nix and Pennix McCarthy types they might not last that long I would rather get one of the top 3 by hook or crook and move on with my business. It'll be interesting with Daniels. I think he is probably at his height right now. As this off season progresses people will start to find "flaws" and reasons to knock him. GMs will find a reason to talk themselves out of taking him. Everyone knows he super athletic so the combine won't actually help him, they will find a reason to knock him though (interviewed weird, throwing motion wasn't perfect, hand size was 1/4" too small, smelled like crawdads etc).
He should go top 5 based on his skill IMO. I'm not a GM though.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 11:13:53 GMT -5
I think Jones was playing quite poorly this year before the injuries. He looked like he regressed significantly from what we saw towards the end of last season, instead of a progression, and that is taking the crap O Line play into account. Even with that, there were plays to be had that he missed in each game. Maybe he's simply shell shocked, but personally, I think it's deeper than that. That shell shock is a legit concern. He might never recover from taking a record number of sacks. It's one reason I would expect us to bring in some more QBs this off season. Maybe a vet or two, maybe a draft pick. I'd be shocked if we rolled into next season with Jones/Devito as our game plan. Two neck injuries, got beat down this year, now knee surgery...no way I'm risking my job on that without some type of back up plan beyond Cutlets.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 11:16:48 GMT -5
Love that plan the big thing is if he tests out of the building he is gonna rise like Richardson did think it is starting already. The Ravens and Bills started a blue print how to take a rookie QB physically gifted with bad fundamentals and technique issues up the ying yang and develop them, these guys aren't lasting that long anymore. It's the game managers that end up down the board some the Nix and Pennix McCarthy types they might not last that long I would rather get one of the top 3 by hook or crook and move on with my business. It'll be interesting with Daniels. I think he is probably at his height right now. As this off season progresses people will start to find "flaws" and reasons to knock him. GMs will find a reason to talk themselves out of taking him. Everyone knows he super athletic so the combine won't actually help him, they will find a reason to knock him though (interviewed weird, throwing motion wasn't perfect, hand size was 1/4" too small, smelled like crawdads etc).
He should go top 5 based on his skill IMO. I'm not a GM though.
Thats what Im thinking but not so sure he will get nit picked to the bottom of the round that would be great for us with 2 second rounders but if they love him they will draft him where they sit if he is there. Not risk losing him let Jones caddy for him even if it's 2 years in his second year he could have packages in for him and add more as the season goes till he is #1. 2026 they are free and clear of jones contract no more guaranteed cash and 2 more years on the new kids rookie deal with his option sitting out there. Jones happens to play well and turn his game around during that time some how he might even bring something back for his services.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 18, 2023 11:20:00 GMT -5
Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something . Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
I agree 100% in your positions of need. I do trust Schoen he deserves at least 1 more year if not 2. I do not necessarily trust Dabs or Kavka. We have to keep Dabs we cannot keep firing HC's every 2 years. Reminds me of Fassels situation. The very first position coach that needs to be fired asap is the OL coach. As far as Mara giving Dabs and Schoen time not if they have another year of incompetence like this year. Now It would be easier to keep the GM than the HC. If this was Dabs 3rd year I would think he's gone. Next year I feel he's coaching for his job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 11:24:38 GMT -5
I'm just saying they made a mistake good font offices move on from mistakes and from some of the contract details it's could be colossal if he gets hurt 1 more time then they are stuck with him My point is that you think they made a mistake, we have no idea if they think that or if they actually did make a mistake. I think when you look at the body of work the whole 5 years he has never been anything close to good enough except a year where he was delegated to the quick game that got figured out in NY second and got him eaten alive this year and knocked out twice and once again with him on IR. I hate that it's what it is I think he has a great demeanor for NY. The NFL isn't designed to be hanging onto QBs who have done nothing for 5 years and hs been hurt more than healthy while people are still trying to figure him out the cap does not allow for years of learning to go on he comes back in year 6.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 18, 2023 11:33:42 GMT -5
Think with Dext gimpy and KT being the only other real threat to get to the QB it's gonna be tough sledding they need more a legit edge help on the other side and a good 3 tech to compliment dexter Leo is missed, a lot to do but this team goes no where till they get a true #1 QB and WR. It has been years now since we have had either they can accomplish a lot through the draft and freeagency as far as getting Guard position on track and maybe just maybe through a coaching change at the position. If they stand pat with Jones and draft OL and edge it better amount to progress or I think they will be starting over yet again at the end of year 3. Next year a big year for this regime I would not be pinning my job on Daniel Jones success ta least if they draft a kid they are developing something . Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
I think Mara / Tisch need to believe in the process and understand there is gonna be more pain before there is Gain. This roster has been mismanaged for over a decade this fix is a grind not a quick fix. The really bad teams take years 4 or 5 they are collecting talent the whole time while trying to get their QB Cleveland / Bengals /Jags /Colts / Cards have been at for years before they got to just respectable some have gotten all the way there difference between a good roster with out a QB and a good roster with a QB. Cardinals like the Eagles have done are restarting again it takes time.
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Post by Nite on Dec 18, 2023 11:44:45 GMT -5
Love that plan the big thing is if he tests out of the building he is gonna rise like Richardson did think it is starting already. The Ravens and Bills started a blue print how to take a rookie QB physically gifted with bad fundamentals and technique issues up the ying yang and develop them, these guys aren't lasting that long anymore. It's the game managers that end up down the board some the Nix and Pennix McCarthy types they might not last that long I would rather get one of the top 3 by hook or crook and move on with my business. It'll be interesting with Daniels. I think he is probably at his height right now. As this off season progresses people will start to find "flaws" and reasons to knock him. GMs will find a reason to talk themselves out of taking him. Everyone knows he super athletic so the combine won't actually help him, they will find a reason to knock him though (interviewed weird, throwing motion wasn't perfect, hand size was 1/4" too small, smelled like crawdads etc).
He should go top 5 based on his skill IMO. I'm not a GM though.
This is a good QB class. I like in no particular order (these are the ones who I feel could start sometime during their rookie year) - Bo Nix - Michael Penix Jr - JJ McCarthy - Caleb Williams - Jayden Daniels The 2nd tier is: (who could become a starter at the end of the rookie year or year two) - Sam Hartman - Jaxson Dart - Drake Maye (not enamored with him as the others) It all depends on who they really like and who is thier Plan B, Plan C QB
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 14:01:50 GMT -5
I agree 100% in your positions of need. I do trust Schoen he deserves at least 1 more year if not 2. I do not necessarily trust Dabs or Kavka. We have to keep Dabs we cannot keep firing HC's every 2 years. Reminds me of Fassels situation. The very first position coach that needs to be fired asap is the OL coach. As far as Mara giving Dabs and Schoen time not if they have another year of incompetence like this year. Now It would be easier to keep the GM than the HC. If this was Dabs 3rd year I would think he's gone. Next year I feel he's coaching for his job. I think 5 years is what you need to give a GM and HC. If the HC loses the locker or is viewed as just plain crappy then you can move on sooner. This situation Schoen and Dabs need time to turn things around. I'm not sure Kafka is the guy. Some guys just aren't the play calling type.
As for Bobby Johnson and the OL I don't think firing him is the answer either. Injuries decimated this OL from the jump. Our current weakest player is probably Pugh and you can't blame Johnson for his performance, he's 34 and just got here like 6 weeks ago. The only thing one could make an argument against Johnson for is the development of Neal and he's been so injured (13 games in 2 years) it's hard to even make that case. I just don't think bringing in a new OL coach with his own way of teaching and own way of performing techniques will fix a single issue with this OL.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 14:07:00 GMT -5
This is a good QB class. I like in no particular order (these are the ones who I feel could start sometime during their rookie year) - Bo Nix - Michael Penix Jr - JJ McCarthy - Caleb Williams - Jayden Daniels The 2nd tier is: (who could become a starter at the end of the rookie year or year two) - Sam Hartman - Jaxson Dart - Drake Maye (not enamored with him as the others) It all depends on who they really like and who is thier Plan B, Plan C QB They could all start during their rookie year, I think the NFL set a record with rookie starters this year. Will they be good though? More importantly will any of the first round guys be worth the player we don't take in their place? So say we pass on a Joe Alt for Caleb Williams, will Williams be so good he makes up for that? That's the issue I have taking any of these QBs early in the first round. You start talking about giving up a 2nd rounder or maybe late first and that's another discussion.
You're right though, it depends who they really like. Do they want to stick with Jones and bring in a vet from free agency? Do they want to roll with Jones and Vito as the back up? Do they love Vito and want to stick with him? Do they hate all their guys and want a top of round 1 QB? So many questions. I know what I'd do, but my paycheck isn't on the line.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 18, 2023 16:13:25 GMT -5
Multiple OL, pass rushing EDGE, WR and QB are all top tier needs for this team. Is Jones coming back that QB? Is Neal a solution at RT or OG? Do we put our hopes in Ojulari who is very skilled but always hurt? Do we end up in a draft position where WR is the best position to take?
Man there are so many interesting questions for this off season. That doesn't even factor in what to do with coaches. Do we get new position coaches, OC, DC, STC? I trust in Daboll and Schoen to get this figured out...I'm not sure I trust in the owners to give them the time to turn this around.
I agree 100% in your positions of need. I do trust Schoen he deserves at least 1 more year if not 2. I do not necessarily trust Dabs or Kavka. We have to keep Dabs we cannot keep firing HC's every 2 years. Reminds me of Fassels situation. The very first position coach that needs to be fired asap is the OL coach. As far as Mara giving Dabs and Schoen time not if they have another year of incompetence like this year. Now It would be easier to keep the GM than the HC. If this was Dabs 3rd year I would think he's gone. Next year I feel he's coaching for his job. I agree Daboll deserves a 3rd season. And If we're not competitive and still getting swept by the Eagles/Cowboys next year, there's nothing left to discuss on Brian Daboll. He can go with Jones and let the new coach develop whichever QB we draft this offseason. GMs normally get to survive two coaching staffs, and Schoen has done a reasonably good job. But 2024 is a big year for him too.
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miss86
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Post by miss86 on Dec 18, 2023 17:29:00 GMT -5
I think rather than take another shot at the end zone or run one more play (remember the last time TT was trusted to run 1 more play before a half) they took the safe bet. Run the clock down and take the FG Well that's what I think also. But does Daboll really not trust TT to throw into the end zone?? It makes no sense to me. I thought Daboll screwed the pooch on burning the 2 TO used to go for 4th and whatever, which they made. Total cluster $#@!
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 20:24:31 GMT -5
I agree Daboll deserves a 3rd season. And If we're not competitive and still getting swept by the Eagles/Cowboys next year, there's nothing left to discuss on Brian Daboll. He can go with Jones and let the new coach develop whichever QB we draft this offseason. GMs normally get to survive two coaching staffs, and Schoen has done a reasonably good job. But 2024 is a big year for him too. I'm a Daboll fan and think he needs time here but we can't have a complete disaster of an offense next year. We are 31st in scoring, only 3 points ahead of the Pats. The Panthers have more points scored than us. I understand we had a ton of injuries this year but outside of one half of football our O never looked like it could do anything. It doesn't look like we use our players the best we can and we never adjusted the OL to account for them being terrible, we just played and acted surprised when shit didn't work. We've been sacked on 15% of our drop backs...that's insane.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 18, 2023 22:20:41 GMT -5
Can we stop with the Offensive line already when Eli sucked it was the Offensive line When Jones sucked it was the Offensive line the truth is they have QB’s that make it work and make the team better. Jones isn’t good neither is DeVito. Eli was cooked by the time they wanted to address OL. The WR’s don’t separate we don’t have a WR1 and we NEED a QB. I agree with what you say BUT the OL is trash. It’s a legit year in and year out issue. Some QBs can make it work most can't. The ones who do don't last too long without getting injured like Burrows. GT when we paid Jones we paid him like he was the type of QB that would elevate the team the people who actually look at his game without bias can see Jones or DeVito ain’t it. Saying that we were forced to pay Jones because there wasn’t another realistic option. The reason I wanted us to tank was if Daboll made Jones “good” image what he could do with Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. I don’t want to be the division doormat year in and year out. This was the season and crappy DeVito with his stupid gestures ruined it.
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