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Post by hadenough on Dec 23, 2023 12:30:46 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game.
He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength.
This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line.
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Post by houndstoothhat on Dec 23, 2023 12:37:04 GMT -5
I like him. He's learning year 1. We need other things for our OL. Like a new coach and 2guards and a OT. Then maybe we can look 4 other talent players. Look at our SB teams, all started with good OL's not RB's. Jacobs and Bradshaw came after the O line!! Same thing with '86 and '90 SB's
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Post by McCherry on Dec 23, 2023 12:44:20 GMT -5
He's giving us stability at a position that's been unstable for years.
One of the few decisions that we got right.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 23, 2023 13:48:00 GMT -5
Was awful against the Saints
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Post by TEM on Dec 23, 2023 13:52:02 GMT -5
He needs to learn to coordinate the protections.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 23, 2023 14:00:25 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. He will come back a stronger hopefully better player he won't have the combine and pro day and college all star games to worry about. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 23, 2023 14:08:18 GMT -5
He needs to learn to coordinate the protections. Thats the whole thing with this OL they were better with a vet first time center last year in Feliciano he knew the offense new the calls. How much of their issues are from being in the wrong protections Jones was part of that with corrections sliding the protection and such. Who is correcting that now and when DJ first got hurt also was he getting it done. When Eli was here he set the protections corrected any line calls that needed adjusting pre snap. |
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Post by SG88 on Dec 23, 2023 17:16:41 GMT -5
He's a rookie learning on the fly. The consistency will come with more experience. It's not like he's some 5-7 year veteran that we already know the deal about.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 23, 2023 18:57:59 GMT -5
Seems like a solid player. Has had some rough patches, will hopefully only get better going forward.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 23, 2023 19:57:09 GMT -5
Was awful against the Saints We somehow managed to make the Saints look like the 86 Bears. Hard not to think we won’t be the perfect elixir for Philly. |
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Post by Roswell on Dec 23, 2023 20:09:34 GMT -5
He needs to get a lot stronger. And he will.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 23, 2023 20:55:33 GMT -5
He needs to learn to coordinate the protections. Thats the whole thing with this OL they were better with a vet first time center last year in Feliciano he knew the offense new the calls. How much of their issues are from being in the wrong protections Jones was part of that with corrections sliding the protection and such. Who is correcting that now and when DJ first got hurt also was he getting it done. When Eli was here he set the protections corrected any line calls that needed adjusting pre snap. Our OL for a decade has had no depth. Every year our high draft picks on the ol have been injured even before the season began. Someone in the Giants org needs to figure out how to build a decent backup ol. |
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Post by ocgiant on Dec 23, 2023 21:56:57 GMT -5
OL is a mess, so as a rookie he has had to anchor that line. I think he has done admirably well... all things considered. Strength, and tweak the skill set and he is the Giants center for some time.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 23, 2023 22:58:29 GMT -5
OL is a mess, so as a rookie he has had to anchor that line. I think he has done admirably well... all things considered. Strength, and tweak the skill set and he is the Giants center for some time. Yea the things he has struggled with are things rookies fix when they finally have an off season that will be dedicated to working on their craft. |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 23, 2023 23:07:08 GMT -5
OL is a mess, so as a rookie he has had to anchor that line. I think he has done admirably well... all things considered. Strength, and tweak the skill set and he is the Giants center for some time. He's had a huge amount of responsibility thrown at him and handled it all. He's played a ton of snaps this season. It may not have always perfect, but there was never a point when I had doubts. I can't say that about any other rookie in the class. |
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Post by umenyiouranidiot on Dec 24, 2023 10:28:18 GMT -5
JMS will be a cog in the OLine for years to come. He may not become the All-Pro center we'd love to have, but I think he will be a solid starter. We need stronger pieces to his left and right and in a couple years I think he will shine as a very capable player.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 24, 2023 11:07:16 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. His strength, his weight are what I worried about when we drafted him. He wasn't even 300 lbs. They couldn't make him reach 300 in college he's still not at it. He is blocking 320 lb DT's and NT's. Can he move them back ? At the goal line or 3rd and 1. But hopefully his quickness is his strength he can off set pass rush and open holes for euns with trap blocks. Doesn't look like anything like that has happened. To me so far this year he's been meh. Haven't paid particular attention to hm though so maybe he's been doing better than I know. OL when you don't notice them they are usually doing good. Plus he's a rookie so I'm giving him a learning curve he deserves that. And he 's in the middle of a terrible situation with this OL. Both Guard positions are weak. If he could be mediocre he would be our 2nd best OL. |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 24, 2023 11:31:33 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. His strength, his weight are what I worried about when we drafted him. He wasn't even 300 lbs. They couldn't make him reach 300 in college he's still not at it. He is blocking 320 lb DT's and NT's. Can he move them back ? At the goal line or 3rd and 1. But hopefully his quickness is his strength he can off set pass rush and open holes for euns with trap blocks. Doesn't look like anything like that has happened. To me so far this year he's been meh. Haven't paid particular attention to hm though so maybe he's been doing better than I know. OL when you don't notice them they are usually doing good. Plus he's a rookie so I'm giving him a learning curve he deserves that. And he 's in the middle of a terrible situation with this OL. Both Guard positions are weak. If he could be mediocre he would be our 2nd best OL. Schmitz has average size for his position. Andrews, Linsley, Humphrey, Kelce are considered the top Centers in the NFL and are all 300 and under. Jason Kelce is 282. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 24, 2023 11:33:15 GMT -5
JMS will be a cog in the OLine for years to come. He may not become the All-Pro center we'd love to have, but I think he will be a solid starter. We need stronger pieces to his left and right and in a couple years I think he will shine as a very capable player. Well I agree we need stronger pieces to his left and right. I "hope" he will shine at Center. I'm counting on him but so far this year to me he's been "meh". But it's his rookie year in a terrible situation. He deserves a break but next year he hopefully should be better. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 24, 2023 12:20:39 GMT -5
His strength, his weight are what I worried about when we drafted him. He wasn't even 300 lbs. They couldn't make him reach 300 in college he's still not at it. He is blocking 320 lb DT's and NT's. Can he move them back ? At the goal line or 3rd and 1. But hopefully his quickness is his strength he can off set pass rush and open holes for euns with trap blocks. Doesn't look like anything like that has happened. To me so far this year he's been meh. Haven't paid particular attention to hm though so maybe he's been doing better than I know. OL when you don't notice them they are usually doing good. Plus he's a rookie so I'm giving him a learning curve he deserves that. And he 's in the middle of a terrible situation with this OL. Both Guard positions are weak. If he could be mediocre he would be our 2nd best OL. Schmitz has average size for his position. Andrews, Linsley, Humphrey, Kelce are considered the top Centers in the NFL and are all 300 and under. Jason Kelce is 282. To me it seems small, I feel these players are giving away much too much size. Of course this is just my opinion from only one fans point of view. Which is nothing. But this is what I feel. But I'm hoping quickness and technique can overcome what I perceive a weakness. And with this said I still feel he is our 2nd best OL and want us to build around him. Hopefully he becomes a stalwart on our OL for the next 10 plus years. |
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Post by umenyiouranidiot on Dec 25, 2023 6:05:31 GMT -5
JMS will be a cog in the OLine for years to come. He may not become the All-Pro center we'd love to have, but I think he will be a solid starter. We need stronger pieces to his left and right and in a couple years I think he will shine as a very capable player. Well I agree we need stronger pieces to his left and right. I "hope" he will shine at Center. I'm counting on him but so far this year to me he's been "meh". But it's his rookie year in a terrible situation. He deserves a break but next year he hopefully should be better. All things considered I think he's played admirably for a first year guy in a terrible situation. He's got a lot to learn and he's given up a bunch of sacks but I think things could've been a lot worse. He hasn't been dysfunctional. |
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Post by inthezone on Dec 25, 2023 8:23:22 GMT -5
Well I agree we need stronger pieces to his left and right. I "hope" he will shine at Center. I'm counting on him but so far this year to me he's been "meh". But it's his rookie year in a terrible situation. He deserves a break but next year he hopefully should be better. All things considered I think he's played admirably for a first year guy in a terrible situation. He's got a lot to learn and he's given up a bunch of sacks but I think things could've been a lot worse. He hasn't been dysfunctional. I don't see where there is confidence he will be a solid player at this point of his 1st season. I hope he can look better against these dlines to finish the season since that would be a good test. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 27, 2023 10:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Dec 27, 2023 10:52:21 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. He gave up 1 pressure vs. the Eagles. The line played well overall. He's given up 4 sacks and 22 pressures this year. Last year Feliciano gave up 22 pressures and 3 sacks. Schmitz is becoming part of the solution. |
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Post by Analyst on Dec 27, 2023 13:57:11 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. He gave up 1 pressure vs. the Eagles. The line played well overall. He's given up 4 sacks and 22 pressures this year. Last year Feliciano gave up 22 pressures and 3 sacks. Schmitz is becoming part of the solution. Too early to tell.... His pass protection is his better part of his game. I dont see him strong enough in the run game. JMS finished 3rd worst PFF ranking for Week 16 vs the Eagles. He stopped Jalen Carter from getting a sack, but gave up several rushes for tackles on run plays. We need a strong center to be successful IMO. JMS just seems like another finesse type. Not a mauler. |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 27, 2023 14:22:23 GMT -5
He gave up 1 pressure vs. the Eagles. The line played well overall. He's given up 4 sacks and 22 pressures this year. Last year Feliciano gave up 22 pressures and 3 sacks. Schmitz is becoming part of the solution. Too early to tell.... His pass protection is his better part of his game. I dont see him strong enough in the run game. JMS finished 3rd worst PFF ranking for Week 16 vs the Eagles. He stopped Jalen Carter from getting a sack, but gave up several rushes for tackles on run plays. We need a strong center to be successful IMO. JMS just seems like another finesse type. Not a mauler. These days, the best Centers in the league are quicker, athletic players. Kelce is the prototype, JMS is in that style of player. He's a rookie, he's not going to play like an all-pro, but he checked all the boxes that you can ask for. |
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Post by hadenough on Dec 27, 2023 14:32:36 GMT -5
I’m really curious to see him this game. He’s good in space and getting on defenders in the 2nd level. But, he struggles with strength. This will be a test for him. Wondering how he holds up against the Eagles line. He gave up 1 pressure vs. the Eagles. The line played well overall. He's given up 4 sacks and 22 pressures this year. Last year Feliciano gave up 22 pressures and 3 sacks. Schmitz is becoming part of the solution. Did you just compare him to Feliciano? Feliciano took a $1mil contract this season. That’s my fear…he’s just average. But, average is better than bad, so that’s a plus for the Giants. |
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Post by Analyst on Dec 27, 2023 14:32:47 GMT -5
Too early to tell.... His pass protection is his better part of his game. I dont see him strong enough in the run game. JMS finished 3rd worst PFF ranking for Week 16 vs the Eagles. He stopped Jalen Carter from getting a sack, but gave up several rushes for tackles on run plays. We need a strong center to be successful IMO. JMS just seems like another finesse type. Not a mauler. These days, the best Centers in the league are quicker, athletic players. Kelce is the prototype, JMS is in that style of player. He's a rookie, he's not going to play like an all-pro, but he checked all the boxes that you can ask for. Schmitz finished with 26 bench reps of 225, ranking him 14th at the combine of 25 OLmen. I look into the bench mostly for OLine at the combine. Strength and endurance is important. I also look at the 3 cone drill for footwork and short distance quickness. He didnt participate in that. I still have hopes for JMS, but I think he needs to work on a lot this offseason to be "the guy" going past his rookie contract. |
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Post by jppt1974 on Dec 27, 2023 14:51:22 GMT -5
Hopefully he will be better utilized as well as need to find a player to help him out. Really need just to be encouraged and better utilized.
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Post by ratbastich on Dec 27, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -5
For some reason I always think his first name is Johann...the Mandela Effect |
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