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Post by Jomo on Jan 2, 2024 11:31:42 GMT -5
What a great arm, poise and confidence. Happy for him!! Great games today! They were great games weren't they? Much better than our Nittany Lions getting slapped around by Old Miss. I fell asleep in the 4th Q of the second game and I totally agree, Penix looks very, very good.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 2, 2024 12:54:45 GMT -5
I would like to see all these QB's line up vs one another at the combine. But some of them won't even throw at the combine. They'll just want to throw at their pro day.
We did send FO plus the scouts to watch some of them in person during their games. I would think that's a pretty good indicator were looking QB in the draft.
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Post by bavarobeast on Jan 2, 2024 13:46:16 GMT -5
I said from the start Penix was the most accurate and cerebral. If he didn’t have the injury history he would be my first choice.
I still think Daniels is the overall best QB.
JJ had a throw away that was almost intercepted at the start of the game - also missed 2 receivers in the game. BUT He also had some laser accurate bullets - made some other great throws and those that helped win the game. Also had 2 drops by the receivers. His throw on the throwback to him as he was getting nailed showed just how strong and accurate his arm is. Made a couple of nice throws on the run and had a key run. He doesn’t get rattled about anything. As a Michigan fan I would rather he return to Michigan and get some more experience under his belt. He has limited weapons on the outside at Michigan. Hard to really show or judge the full extent of his throwing capabilities. If Michigan get better options at WR next season I think he can strut into 2025 as the #1 QB draft prospect. Unfortunately if Michigan wins it all I think JJ declares.
I’d be happy with Daniels or Penix with the first pick. I don’t see JJ worthy of a top 5 pick but I’ll settle that debate after I see JJ and Penix go head to head.
I still don’t want Williams or Maye. - 2 imposters.
Go Blue ( Michigan )
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Post by PennState1 on Jan 2, 2024 13:48:09 GMT -5
I really like him but his injury history is so concerning No question about that
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 2, 2024 13:50:45 GMT -5
I said from the start Penix was the most accurate and cerebral. If he didn’t have the injury history he would be my first choice. I still think Daniels is the overall best QB. JJ had a throw away that was almost intercepted at the start of the game - also missed 2 receivers in the game. BUT He also had some laser accurate bullets - made some other great throws and those that helped win the game. Also had 2 drops by the receivers. His throw on the throwback to him as he was getting nailed showed just how strong and accurate he are is. Made a couple of nice throws on the run and had a key run. He doesn’t get rattled about anything. As a Michigan fan I would rather he return to Michigan and get some more experience under his belt. He has limited weapons on the outside at Michigan. Hard to really show or judge the full extent of his throwing capabilities. If Michigan get better options at WR next season I think he can strut into 2025 as the #1 QB draft prospect. Unfortunately if Michigan wins it all I think JJ declares. I’d be happy with Daniels or Penix with the first pick. I don’t see JJ worthy of a top 5 pick but I’ll settle that debate after I see JJ and Penix go head to head. I still don’t want Williams or Maye. - 2 imposters. Go Blue ( Michigan ) I am 100% in agreement with this. If I was going to post a reply in this thread it would have read exactly like your reply did except all I would have additionally said is Penix in the top 5 or 6 is a huge risk simply due to the injury history but of course no risk, no reward sometimes.
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Post by PennState1 on Jan 2, 2024 13:55:23 GMT -5
What a great arm, poise and confidence. Happy for him!! Great games today! They were great games weren't they? Much better than our Nittany Lions getting slapped around by Old Miss. I fell asleep in the 4th Q of the second game and I totally agree, Penix looks very, very good. Yeah, it’s tough being both a Giant and a PSU fan. Really looking forward to Monday (more than I have in years)! I hope he takes MI down hard! GO WASHINGTON!
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 2, 2024 15:31:10 GMT -5
I know he's not popular, but from just this year, Bo Nix also looks like a very viable prospect to my eyes. I understand that he underperformed in prior seasons though, which makes a lot of people skeptical, but he could be a good day 2 selection.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 2, 2024 15:32:24 GMT -5
I know he's not popular, but from just this year, Bo Nix also looks like a very viable prospect to my eyes. I understand that he underperformed in prior seasons though, which makes a lot of people skeptical, but he could be a good day 2 selection. Only at Auburn though. His two years at Oregon, he was great. This year he was historic production-wise. I love him as a prospect.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 2, 2024 16:17:50 GMT -5
I know he's not popular, but from just this year, Bo Nix also looks like a very viable prospect to my eyes. I understand that he underperformed in prior seasons though, which makes a lot of people skeptical, but he could be a good day 2 selection. Penix and Nix have had a ton of starts, which should give them a better chance for NFL success.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 2, 2024 16:25:48 GMT -5
I said from the start Penix was the most accurate and cerebral. If he didn’t have the injury history he would be my first choice. I still think Daniels is the overall best QB. JJ had a throw away that was almost intercepted at the start of the game - also missed 2 receivers in the game. BUT He also had some laser accurate bullets - made some other great throws and those that helped win the game. Also had 2 drops by the receivers. His throw on the throwback to him as he was getting nailed showed just how strong and accurate his arm is. Made a couple of nice throws on the run and had a key run. He doesn’t get rattled about anything. As a Michigan fan I would rather he return to Michigan and get some more experience under his belt. He has limited weapons on the outside at Michigan. Hard to really show or judge the full extent of his throwing capabilities. If Michigan get better options at WR next season I think he can strut into 2025 as the #1 QB draft prospect. Unfortunately if Michigan wins it all I think JJ declares. I’d be happy with Daniels or Penix with the first pick. I don’t see JJ worthy of a top 5 pick but I’ll settle that debate after I see JJ and Penix go head to head. I still don’t want Williams or Maye. - 2 imposters. Go Blue ( Michigan ) I haven't seen Penix projected anywhere as a top-10 pick. I don't even see many projections of him as a first round pick.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 2, 2024 16:36:10 GMT -5
I said from the start Penix was the most accurate and cerebral. If he didn’t have the injury history he would be my first choice. I still think Daniels is the overall best QB. JJ had a throw away that was almost intercepted at the start of the game - also missed 2 receivers in the game. BUT He also had some laser accurate bullets - made some other great throws and those that helped win the game. Also had 2 drops by the receivers. His throw on the throwback to him as he was getting nailed showed just how strong and accurate his arm is. Made a couple of nice throws on the run and had a key run. He doesn’t get rattled about anything. As a Michigan fan I would rather he return to Michigan and get some more experience under his belt. He has limited weapons on the outside at Michigan. Hard to really show or judge the full extent of his throwing capabilities. If Michigan get better options at WR next season I think he can strut into 2025 as the #1 QB draft prospect. Unfortunately if Michigan wins it all I think JJ declares. I’d be happy with Daniels or Penix with the first pick. I don’t see JJ worthy of a top 5 pick but I’ll settle that debate after I see JJ and Penix go head to head. I still don’t want Williams or Maye. - 2 imposters. Go Blue ( Michigan ) I haven't seen Penix projected anywhere as a top-10 pick. I don't even see many projections of him as a first round pick. I feel like the QB ascension hasn't happened yet this draft, and he's gonna be one of the guys that jumps.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 2, 2024 16:37:40 GMT -5
He is the most pro ready QB coming out in my opinion, he checks all the boxes, great arm, accuracy, pocket presence, elusiveness, and he's so calm and cool and smooth in everything he does.
I think he is projected as a second round pick in most projections, obviously because of the injury history. Don't be surprised if he leads Washington to a win over Michigan if he rockets up the boards into the top 10.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 2, 2024 16:50:28 GMT -5
I haven't seen Penix projected anywhere as a top-10 pick. I don't even see many projections of him as a first round pick. I feel like th QB ascension hasn't happened yet ore draft, and he's gonna be one of the guys that jumps. I agree, that doesn't make it justified. Many mistakes have been made on those jumps.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 2, 2024 17:34:12 GMT -5
I said from the start Penix was the most accurate and cerebral. If he didn’t have the injury history he would be my first choice. I still think Daniels is the overall best QB. JJ had a throw away that was almost intercepted at the start of the game - also missed 2 receivers in the game. BUT He also had some laser accurate bullets - made some other great throws and those that helped win the game. Also had 2 drops by the receivers. His throw on the throwback to him as he was getting nailed showed just how strong and accurate his arm is. Made a couple of nice throws on the run and had a key run. He doesn’t get rattled about anything. As a Michigan fan I would rather he return to Michigan and get some more experience under his belt. He has limited weapons on the outside at Michigan. Hard to really show or judge the full extent of his throwing capabilities. If Michigan get better options at WR next season I think he can strut into 2025 as the #1 QB draft prospect. Unfortunately if Michigan wins it all I think JJ declares. I’d be happy with Daniels or Penix with the first pick. I don’t see JJ worthy of a top 5 pick but I’ll settle that debate after I see JJ and Penix go head to head. I still don’t want Williams or Maye. - 2 imposters. Go Blue ( Michigan ) I haven't seen Penix projected anywhere as a top-10 pick. I don't even see many projections of him as a first round pick. By April, he will be a top 10, maybe top 5 pick.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 2, 2024 17:54:44 GMT -5
I know he's not popular, but from just this year, Bo Nix also looks like a very viable prospect to my eyes. I understand that he underperformed in prior seasons though, which makes a lot of people skeptical, but he could be a good day 2 selection. Penix and Nix have had a ton of starts, which should give them a better chance for NFL success. Daniels as well...
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Post by jaymas on Jan 2, 2024 23:02:02 GMT -5
I feel like th QB ascension hasn't happened yet ore draft, and he's gonna be one of the guys that jumps. I agree, that doesn't make it justified. Many mistakes have been made on those jumps. Worth noting a lot of those jumps you describe are not guys that usually have lots of college starting experience. I think with Penix, the only reason he's not already there is his injury history. I have almost no questions about his game.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 3, 2024 8:46:58 GMT -5
He would be top 3 and still might be if his injury history wasn't so bad he will be hard to pass on he fits what Daboll wants to do is run an offense like we saw yesterday. His arm talent is second to none in this class. Yeah, he has a weird throwing motion but throws the most accurate lasers in college ball. Hell, he looks NFL ready and can start Sunday right now, and be one of the better ones.... with a OL of course. Not sure he's a fit for us though being he is generally a pocket passing QB....with those injuries and the system we run, I think we pass on the best passer, and get a guy who can run scramble and create with an NFL arm. Now if we had a all pro OL.... I work with a guy who caught passes in college from him as a WR, and he swears he can throw the ball 100 yards. Can't find any tape of that so I'm a bit skeptical. Still, that ball comes out whistling. One other thing with Penix I didn't take into account he is 23 after his first contract with option were talking 28 -29 by the end of the second contract he will be at the end of his career. By the way I agree it is hard to believe he has 100 yards in that arm but man he can drop it in the bucket.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 3, 2024 8:52:36 GMT -5
I would like to see all these QB's line up vs one another at the combine. But some of them won't even throw at the combine. They'll just want to throw at their pro day. We did send FO plus the scouts to watch some of them in person during their games. I would think that's a pretty good indicator were looking QB in the draft. Think Schoen and Brown have seen all of them and seen a few twice.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 3, 2024 9:01:39 GMT -5
Yeah, he has a weird throwing motion but throws the most accurate lasers in college ball. Hell, he looks NFL ready and can start Sunday right now, and be one of the better ones.... with a OL of course. Not sure he's a fit for us though being he is generally a pocket passing QB....with those injuries and the system we run, I think we pass on the best passer, and get a guy who can run scramble and create with an NFL arm. Now if we had a all pro OL.... I work with a guy who caught passes in college from him as a WR, and he swears he can throw the ball 100 yards. Can't find any tape of that so I'm a bit skeptical. Still, that ball comes out whistling. One other thing with Penix I didn't take into account he is 23 after his first contract with option were talking 28 -29 by the end of the second contract he will be at the end of his career. By the way I agree it is hard to believe he has 100 yards in that arm but man he can drop it in the bucket. both Nix and Daniels are the same age. That also means all 3 of them have a lot of college game experience, which should help the transition to the NFL.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 3, 2024 9:03:14 GMT -5
I haven't seen Penix projected anywhere as a top-10 pick. I don't even see many projections of him as a first round pick. I feel like the QB ascension hasn't happened yet this draft, and he's gonna be one of the guys that jumps. It's stating Daniels is QB 3 and there is buzz of him climbing as high as 1 or 2 a month ago he was late round to mid 1st there's a lot to like with him kind of Lamar type of player has the speed and wiggle and a big arm. In a QB starved league Penix will find his way to the op 10 maybe top 5 or just outside it once they start breaking it down and they start climbing. Wonder if Nix will make it into the bottom of the first. Gonna be fun to watch especially if Chicago decides to stick with Fields and give him MH Jr as a Christmas gift, the Cards stick with Murray that would leave one of the top 3 for us thats if we don't beat the choking F#$%ing Sucking Beagles.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 3, 2024 9:08:30 GMT -5
One other thing with Penix I didn't take into account he is 23 after his first contract with option were talking 28 -29 by the end of the second contract he will be at the end of his career. By the way I agree it is hard to believe he has 100 yards in that arm but man he can drop it in the bucket. both Nix and Daniels are the same age. That also means all 3 of them have a lot of college game experience, which should help the transition to the NFL. It also means if you hit on one of them your gonna lose a couple few years on the back end there is pluses and minuses to everything. Think Penix as good of a passer as there is in this draft, he will need to play some place where he isn't gonna have multiple jail breaks weekly he will be ruined, he moves pretty good in the pocket but with 2 or 3 rushers getting in there isn't much chance and he's not a runner.
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Post by Aris on Jan 4, 2024 19:33:35 GMT -5
Yeah, he has a weird throwing motion but throws the most accurate lasers in college ball. Hell, he looks NFL ready and can start Sunday right now, and be one of the better ones.... with a OL of course. Not sure he's a fit for us though being he is generally a pocket passing QB....with those injuries and the system we run, I think we pass on the best passer, and get a guy who can run scramble and create with an NFL arm. Now if we had a all pro OL.... I work with a guy who caught passes in college from him as a WR, and he swears he can throw the ball 100 yards. Can't find any tape of that so I'm a bit skeptical. Still, that ball comes out whistling. One other thing with Penix I didn't take into account he is 23 after his first contract with option were talking 28 -29 by the end of the second contract he will be at the end of his career. By the way I agree it is hard to believe he has 100 yards in that arm but man he can drop it in the bucket. Yeah, that and the injuries are a big risk and why he's not mocked by any experts top of the first...yet.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 4, 2024 19:41:57 GMT -5
One other thing with Penix I didn't take into account he is 23 after his first contract with option were talking 28 -29 by the end of the second contract he will be at the end of his career. By the way I agree it is hard to believe he has 100 yards in that arm but man he can drop it in the bucket. Yeah, that and the injuries are a big risk and why he's not mocked by any experts top of the first...yet. Who knows it might hold him down but if interviews really good and does good on the Board someone will fall in love and snag him.
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Post by Aris on Jan 4, 2024 19:55:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that and the injuries are a big risk and why he's not mocked by any experts top of the first...yet. Who knows it might hold him down but if interviews really good and does good on the Board someone will fall in love and snag him. That young man has a golden arm....you spend a 2 pick on a RB in today's NFL, you win crap. You draft a QB with an arm, you can win a superbowl.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 4, 2024 20:07:03 GMT -5
Who knows it might hold him down but if interviews really good and does good on the Board someone will fall in love and snag him. That young man has a golden arm....you spend a 2 pick on a RB in today's NFL, you win crap. You draft a QB with an arm, you can win a superbowl. Thats is a fact love Barkley the player but his career was affected as much as the Giants franchise by being somewhere that teams did not fear the air. That was bad for everyone involved, my biggest concern today and going forward is that they won't correct their mistake with Jones and turn him into a bridge QB by drafting his replacement.
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Post by Aris on Jan 4, 2024 20:55:25 GMT -5
That young man has a golden arm....you spend a 2 pick on a RB in today's NFL, you win crap. You draft a QB with an arm, you can win a superbowl. Thats is a fact love Barkley the player but his career was affected as much as the Giants franchise by being somewhere that teams did not fear the air. That was bad for everyone involved, my biggest concern today and going forward is that they won't correct their mistake with Jones and turn him into a bridge QB by drafting his replacement. Barkley when we didn't have an aging near the end QB and he was taken in the 2nd round would have been acceptable...not when the pro scouting departments of most teams had 4-5 1st round talents. You swing and miss with a QB vs a RB at that spot. I'd still take Quenton Nelson over Barkley on this team from that draft day till today. One will indeed be wearing a green jacket tailored by the hand of God and it will not be the RB. Jones is legs. No more legs and he's Danny Dump....easy to see and understand how those legs forced us to pay up after a playoff win. Either way, Danny Dump is not a franchise QB. Giants ned to take a QB if they stay at 2-5 ....and I would not mind trading up at that spot for the on they feel could be the next big thing.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 4, 2024 21:20:23 GMT -5
Thats is a fact love Barkley the player but his career was affected as much as the Giants franchise by being somewhere that teams did not fear the air. That was bad for everyone involved, my biggest concern today and going forward is that they won't correct their mistake with Jones and turn him into a bridge QB by drafting his replacement. Barkley when we didn't have an aging near the end QB and he was taken in the 2nd round would have been acceptable...not when the pro scouting departments of most teams had 4-5 1st round talents. You swing and miss with a QB vs a RB at that spot. I'd still take Quenton Nelson over Barkley on this team from that draft day till today. One will indeed be wearing a green jacket tailored by the hand of God and it will not be the RB. Jones is legs. No more legs and he's Danny Dump....easy to see and understand how those legs forced us to pay up after a playoff win. Either way, Danny Dump is not a franchise QB. Giants ned to take a QB if they stay at 2-5 ....and I would not mind trading up at that spot for the on they feel could be the next big thing. What makes that worse is they could have gotten some capital in slight trad down with the Jets and had Nelson plus some you get 10- to 13 years out of an OL. Hopefully the days of dumb moves are over guess we will find out, I can not believe Daboll has not seen enough I'm sure they gave jones a list of things to work on and 1 and 2 on it were hole shots and deep balls he came back still dumping down time to move on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 8, 2024 22:42:52 GMT -5
Penix is showing the part of his game that does not translate to the NFL he is gonna be in the pocket the pressure is affecting him in the NFL it will be more complex and the pressure will be faster everything will be faster.
Think him facing a good college D in Michigan is helping answer some questions about how he will look with pressure on him I was hoping for better because we need a QB.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 8, 2024 23:21:29 GMT -5
Penix is showing the part of his game that does not translate to the NFL he is gonna be in the pocket the pressure is affecting him in the NFL it will be more complex and the pressure will be faster everything will be faster. Think him facing a good college D in Michigan is helping answer some questions about how he will look with pressure on him I was hoping for better because we need a QB. Penix is a pure passer but like we have seen protection is a huge part of how a QB looks. I wanted to see JJ McCarthy play as I thought he is raw enough to be a round two prospect. He needs to beef up but looks like a natural leader who can move when needed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 8, 2024 23:24:50 GMT -5
Penix is showing the part of his game that does not translate to the NFL he is gonna be in the pocket the pressure is affecting him in the NFL it will be more complex and the pressure will be faster everything will be faster. Think him facing a good college D in Michigan is helping answer some questions about how he will look with pressure on him I was hoping for better because we need a QB. Penix is a pure passer but like we have seen protection is a huge part of how a QB looks. I wanted to see JJ McCarthy play as I thought he is raw enough to be a round two prospect. He needs to beef up but looks like a natural leader who can move when needed. Yea JJ is staying in school so it will have to be next year.
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