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Post by scoostraw on Jan 17, 2024 11:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 17, 2024 12:46:24 GMT -5
Talk about protesting too much; I guess it really isn't personal, lol. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 17, 2024 14:10:47 GMT -5
Talk about protesting too much; I guess it really isn't personal, lol. Jeez that’s what I took from this. I want to be balanced. His reporting isn’t fabricated in my mind. I think these issues are real. They need to be addressed. Daboll is struggling with this clearly and will get fired if he doesn’t get much much better. But. Pat, you falling over backwards to try and hide, at best, the subconscious intent of this piece is actually putting a spotlight on it. Just own your reporting. Enough of it seems real. The issue is you can’t seem to hide the satisfaction you have pushing the knife in. The whole time saying “it’s not me”. Enough fans are sick of having another crappy season that they’ll gobble this up without a thought or taking a breath. Now it seems like someone pissed you off and you’ve been biding your time waiting to doll out some payback. |
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 17, 2024 14:13:39 GMT -5
I hearya cdngfan.
I could care less about Leonard himself though. It all rings true to me also. And that's what concerns me. I could give a crap about Leonard's motives. I think this is the state of the Giants.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 17, 2024 14:35:51 GMT -5
Not a fan. This amounts to damage control. Hopefully the Daily News realizes what this guy is all about.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 17, 2024 14:44:51 GMT -5
I hearya cdngfan. I could care less about Leonard himself though. It all rings true to me also. And that's what concerns me. I could give a crap about Leonard's motives. I think this is the state of the Giants. The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. In a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 17, 2024 14:46:52 GMT -5
He has I am a sphincter written all over his face,
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Post by inconvenientruth on Jan 17, 2024 14:49:58 GMT -5
I hearya cdngfan. I could care less about Leonard himself though. It all rings true to me also. And that's what concerns me. I could give a crap about Leonard's motives. I think this is the state of the Giants. The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. I n a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. the only issue i have with this logic is the most impactful part of Pat article, which is the Kafka bit. Winks done and im glad the situation has resolved. Im not sure how Wink, or the brothers could have known what was going on with the offence if they were indeed isolating themselves from the team as per Swhartz (sp?). How could they have known all that? If Kafka leaves this offseason, especially for an adjacent OC role, we know there are issues. Kafka's been nothing but a standup dude and he's also, apparently, feeling the wrath. |
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 17, 2024 14:53:58 GMT -5
He has I am a sphincter written all over his face, I thought that was Siriani? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 17, 2024 15:04:58 GMT -5
Talk about protesting too much; I guess it really isn't personal, lol. Jeez that’s what I took from this. I want to be balanced. His reporting isn’t fabricated in my mind. I think these issues are real. They need to be addressed. Daboll is struggling with this clearly and will get fired if he doesn’t get much much better. But. Pat, you falling over backwards to try and hide, at best, the subconscious intent of this piece is actually putting a spotlight on it. Just own your reporting. Enough of it seems real. The issue is you can’t seem to hide the satisfaction you have pushing the knife in. The whole time saying “it’s not me”. Enough fans are sick of having another crappy season that they’ll gobble this up without a thought or taking a breath. Now it seems like someone pissed you off and you’ve been biding your time waiting to doll out some payback. He did it with DG and the same when he covered the Rangers just Pat being Pat I believe he blows things out of purport ion. This has been going on long enough we all know that both parties have a hand in it, really not interested in what happened anymore I'm more interested in Daboll getting it corrected. I do believe Leonard Embellishes his stories he has been completely wrong a couple times, with this it's somewhere in-between our Coach needs get his act together with the people he depends on. Don't need anymore information on the subject unless it's about how the coach is fixing his end of it. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Jan 17, 2024 15:05:07 GMT -5
The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. I n a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. the only issue i have with this logic is the most impactful part of Pat article, which is the Kafka bit. Winks done and im glad the situation has resolved. Im not sure how Wink, or the brothers could have known what was going on with the offence if they were indeed isolating themselves from the team as per Swhartz (sp?). How could they have known all that? If Kafka leaves this offseason, especially for an adjacent OC role, we know there are issues. Kafka's been nothing but a standup dude and he's also, apparently, feeling the wrath. C'mon... they're still in the building. They hear Daboll ranting so much that Wink is having problems calling plays on the headset. They see/hear Kafka being berated. They see Daboll take over offensive meetings...and the offense gets worse. It's so bad, the GM listens to the headset conversations for 4 games? Everyone points to the Wink/Daboll issues, but it looks like Kafka had it worse than Wink? They may have pulled back, and I'm not excusing anyone's behavior, but it's pretty obvious it was impossible to escape the disfunction. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 17, 2024 15:09:43 GMT -5
I hearya cdngfan. I could care less about Leonard himself though. It all rings true to me also. And that's what concerns me. I could give a crap about Leonard's motives. I think this is the state of the Giants. The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. In a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. It really sounds a lot like the original piece on steroids that was fed to Glazer. Really don't see any benefit for an unnamed source that works for the Giants to put this out there they are all here for a reason to win thats not helping. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 17, 2024 15:15:18 GMT -5
I know a guy that can step in and advance that underachieving Analytics process.
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Post by giantbob71 on Jan 17, 2024 15:20:22 GMT -5
Jeez that’s what I took from this. I want to be balanced. His reporting isn’t fabricated in my mind. I think these issues are real. They need to be addressed. Daboll is struggling with this clearly and will get fired if he doesn’t get much much better. But. Pat, you falling over backwards to try and hide, at best, the subconscious intent of this piece is actually putting a spotlight on it. Just own your reporting. Enough of it seems real. The issue is you can’t seem to hide the satisfaction you have pushing the knife in. The whole time saying “it’s not me”. Enough fans are sick of having another crappy season that they’ll gobble this up without a thought or taking a breath. Now it seems like someone pissed you off and you’ve been biding your time waiting to doll out some payback. He did it with DG and the same when he covered the Rangers just Pat being Pat I believe he blows things out of purport ion. This has been going on long enough we all know that both parties have a hand in it, really not interested in what happened anymore I'm more interested in Daboll getting it corrected. I do believe Leonard Embellishes his stories he has been completely wrong a couple times, with this it's somewhere in-between our Coach needs get his act together with the people he depends on. Don't need anymore information on the subject unless it's about how the coach is fixing his end of it. If you're invested enough in the team to spend time on a team forum, why would you not want to know why your team is a dysfunctional mess on the way to 6 wins? Is Leonard in this to make a buck? Absolutely...the guy has info and is putting it in print and podcasts to further his name. That's the nature of the beast these days. Do you really think it's fabricated? Glazer announced a riff between Daboll/Wink, and half this board said it was BS and unsubstantiated rumors. Then, Wink gives up $3.25 million to get out of town, and tells Daboll to F-Off....and now it's "nothing to see here" and time to move on? I want to hear it all. I hope Pat gets to the bottom of who was responsible for the DJ contract next. I love that this is coming out. It makes Mara look like a fool...and I'm a big fan of any situation that makes him look foolish. Daboll and Schoen have dug a hole (talent/culture/finances) that is going to be really hard to dig out of. At least now, if the team struggles next year, we know why. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 17, 2024 15:26:38 GMT -5
The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. I n a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. the only issue i have with this logic is the most impactful part of Pat article, which is the Kafka bit. Winks done and im glad the situation has resolved. Im not sure how Wink, or the brothers could have known what was going on with the offence if they were indeed isolating themselves from the team as per Swhartz (sp?). How could they have known all that? If Kafka leaves this offseason, especially for an adjacent OC role, we know there are issues. Kafka's been nothing but a standup dude and he's also, apparently, feeling the wrath. Daboll has his hand in there to for sure, at the end of the day he was more than likely to heavy handed than people liked he needs to fix that. That said he can't sit back and watch as all 3 sides of the ball struggled he will need to find middle ground or his opportunity to be at the top of his profession will be over sooner than later. The guy getting dragged through the mud here is Daboll and who ever the source is just keeps pouring it on, when someone says a source it is 1 side of the story and there is no way to confirm it is all fact, the way this is going this is vengeance more than anything when it starts to ease up something else is said saying the same thing making it sound worse. As a fan I'm more looking froward to what Daboll will do about his part Wink is gone hopefully he lands in spot where he and his new boss are a good fit. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 17, 2024 15:27:43 GMT -5
I know a guy that can step in and advance that underachieving Analytics process. Told you lol get your spread sheets and straighten those guys out. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 17, 2024 15:42:31 GMT -5
The motives matter to me because it helps understand how bad the problem is. No question there’s a problem. If Pat put as much work into his piece to show he wasn’t JUST eviscerating Daboll, and by association Schoen, then he wouldn’t have needed the 5 min intro trying to convince me it was just facts and unbiased reporting. You and I could sit at a desk and write that point in the article in 5 mins, while still laying the problem at Daboll’s feet. He clearly didn’t want to dilute the acid he was pouring. I n a perfect world I’d love to magically pull out how much of that “insider info” came from people associated with Wink. I bet without that his article is about 9 sentences long. the only issue i have with this logic is the most impactful part of Pat article, which is the Kafka bit. Winks done and im glad the situation has resolved. Im not sure how Wink, or the brothers could have known what was going on with the offence if they were indeed isolating themselves from the team as per Swhartz (sp?). How could they have known all that? If Kafka leaves this offseason, especially for an adjacent OC role, we know there are issues. Kafka's been nothing but a standup dude and he's also, apparently, feeling the wrath. Kafka doesn’t need to leave to prove there’s issues. There’s issues. Daboll seems justified in how he handled the Wink situation. But he has to wear and fix this other stuff. I’m not sure he will but I am sure that Schoen won’t put his own ass in front of a firing squad if Daboll can’t show he’s running things differently. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 17, 2024 16:13:44 GMT -5
the only issue i have with this logic is the most impactful part of Pat article, which is the Kafka bit. Winks done and im glad the situation has resolved. Im not sure how Wink, or the brothers could have known what was going on with the offence if they were indeed isolating themselves from the team as per Swhartz (sp?). How could they have known all that? If Kafka leaves this offseason, especially for an adjacent OC role, we know there are issues. Kafka's been nothing but a standup dude and he's also, apparently, feeling the wrath. Kafka doesn’t need to leave to prove there’s issues. There’s issues. Daboll seems justified in how he handled the Wink situation. But he has to wear and fix this other stuff. I’m not sure he will but I am sure that Schoen won’t put his own ass in front of a firing squad if Daboll can’t show he’s running things differently. Kafka will be the West head coach in the shrine bowl. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 17, 2024 16:52:40 GMT -5
I know a guy that can step in and advance that underachieving Analytics process. Is it this guy?  |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 17, 2024 17:49:01 GMT -5
No doubt that someone said those things to Pat. I just think those people were Wink and the Wilkins brothers. The issue I have with Pat is he put this piece together like he go 20 different sources. That's irresponsible journalism at best.
Is Daboll a hot head? Obviously, we have all seen it on the sidelines. Does that mean anything? Nope, go win games and no one will care.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 17, 2024 18:21:06 GMT -5
No doubt that someone said those things to Pat. I just think those people were Wink and the Wilkins brothers. The issue I have with Pat is he put this piece together like he go 20 different sources. That's irresponsible journalism at best. Is Daboll a hot head? Obviously, we have all seen it on the sidelines. Does that mean anything? Nope, go win games and no one will care. What if they're all good sources? Whether you hate Pat or like Brian, I haven't heard anyone from the Giants or other members of the press deny any of this... Daboll's next appearance with the press is going to be fun. I can guess what the first question will be. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 17, 2024 20:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 17, 2024 20:22:16 GMT -5
It's really no surprise to learn that it's the kids from PFF who have screwed up our offense.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 17, 2024 20:37:05 GMT -5
No doubt that someone said those things to Pat. I just think those people were Wink and the Wilkins brothers. The issue I have with Pat is he put this piece together like he go 20 different sources. That's irresponsible journalism at best. Is Daboll a hot head? Obviously, we have all seen it on the sidelines. Does that mean anything? Nope, go win games and no one will care. What if they're all good sources? Whether you hate Pat or like Brian, I haven't heard anyone from the Giants or other members of the press deny any of this... Daboll's next appearance with the press is going to be fun. I can guess what the first question will be. I really think that if this came from a bunch of sources (beyond Wink and Wilkin bros) that we would have heard about it sooner. The timing is just very convenient. A couple days after Wilkins get fire and Wink resigns this comes out. The drama with Daboll and Wink came out during the season, so why would nothing else come out?
If they're all good sources then Pat has nothing to worry about, although he should write his articles a bit better in that case. Clarify if this is all one source, "a different member of the staff said X" and "yet another member of the staff said Y" etc. He left it ambiguous on purpose...probably because it's not a bunch of sources but one single source.
No member of the Giants should say shit about this, they have actual work to do. Eye on the prize, not on some BS article. Obviously he will need to answer questions at the next presser but until then focus on free agency, the draft, hiring coaches, fixing the offense etc.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 17, 2024 23:11:05 GMT -5
Not a fan. This amounts to damage control. Hopefully the Daily News realizes what this guy is all about. LOL in the end Leonard just earned the seat in the far back corner of room and when he asks a question think Daboll was vague before he will get the BB treatment of 1 word answers he should request to bring his act over to the Jets. Daboll and the team can make him an after thought when it comes to pressers and info being released. In my personnel opinion his source or sources will be busy at their new Jobs they won't be able to feed the beast in NY anymore because thye aren't here anymore. The players seem to be galvanized when it comes to Schoen and Daboll. listened to Giants .Com end of season defensive player interviews they all praised Joe and Dabs not a word about the coaches this story was over when Wink resigned, my only issue keep digging Pat same sources same stuff. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 17, 2024 23:31:43 GMT -5
None of this personal info is personal.
The whole organization is dysfunctional and these are the individuals and their role in that dysfunction . . . yet it’s not personal.
Got it
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Post by McCherry on Jan 18, 2024 0:13:56 GMT -5
Hopefully the Daily News realizes what this guy is all about. Delivering them the biggest sports story in NY at the moment. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2024 9:50:26 GMT -5
He never apologized for being completely wrong with the Baker story. He destroyed him for months on end, and was completely wrong in all his reporting.
He's a dickhead, even if he's right occasionally.
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 18, 2024 9:57:46 GMT -5
No doubt that someone said those things to Pat. I just think those people were Wink and the Wilkins brothers. The issue I have with Pat is he put this piece together like he go 20 different sources. That's irresponsible journalism at best. Is Daboll a hot head? Obviously, we have all seen it on the sidelines. Does that mean anything? Nope, go win games and no one will care. What if they're all good sources? Whether you hate Pat or like Brian, I haven't heard anyone from the Giants or other members of the press deny any of this... Daboll's next appearance with the press is going to be fun. I can guess what the first question will be.From Pat? |
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Post by scoostraw on Jan 18, 2024 10:02:10 GMT -5
He never apologized for being completely wrong with the Baker story. He destroyed him for months on end, and was completely wrong in all his reporting. He's a dickhead, even if he's right occasionally.That's often the problem - being able to separate the message from the messenger. |
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