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Post by Aris on Feb 5, 2024 12:40:59 GMT -5
I've went over tape of the OL, and we might have 11- 13 top 50 offensive linemen, and 8 tackles. That's insane. With a draft as deep as the OL there is no need to spend 2nd contract free agent money on one. This area needs to be addressed first, and then we can worry about long routes runners, in an also very deep class. Weak defensive side on a whole, especially front 7. Secondary has decent talent. What free agents we have out there as edge? Oh my my... JOSH ALLEN, DANIELLE HUNTER, BRYCE HUFF and BRIAN BURNS? Yea Daniel Jeremiah has 11 OL in his top 50… 7 in his top 18. The 7 in the top 18 he has listed as all OTs, though many are RTs in his mind. I dont like the idea of paying an edge in FA, since they’re sooo expensive. I wanted Burns the year he came out, went a pick before us, I think.. wanted Josh Allen, too. Out of that list, I havent watched huff much at all. Allen worries me because he wasnt anything great until his contract year. Hunter is about to be on wrong side of 30… Burns, it is We should come away with a guard and a tackle with versatility ...no excuses...this should finally be the year to solidify that OL. To hell with a wide receiver at 6....get the OL done with the first 2 picks.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 5, 2024 13:37:09 GMT -5
Yea Daniel Jeremiah has 11 OL in his top 50… 7 in his top 18. The 7 in the top 18 he has listed as all OTs, though many are RTs in his mind. I dont like the idea of paying an edge in FA, since they’re sooo expensive. I wanted Burns the year he came out, went a pick before us, I think.. wanted Josh Allen, too. Out of that list, I havent watched huff much at all. Allen worries me because he wasnt anything great until his contract year. Hunter is about to be on wrong side of 30… Burns, it is We should come away with a guard and a tackle with versatility ...no excuses...this should finally be the year to solidify that OL. To hell with a wide receiver at 6....get the OL done with the first 2 picks. The idea of drafting another LT and trying to convert him to RT doesn’t seem like an ideal use of the #6 pick to me. I haven’t watched either of the projected top-2, but we danced that dance before with another “can’t miss” prospect and it has been a disaster. The OL talent is stacked this year. I’d rather trade down and grab someone like the RT from Oregon St, then turn around in the 2nd and grab the C from Oregon or the OG from UConn. Otherwise, I’d we stay at #6, grab the BPA which will likely be a WR. I’ve been big on Odunze since watching film on Penix, but Nabers is really growing on me. Take your pick, then circle back on days 2 & 3 to bolster the OL. 1. Nabers (WR - LSU) - 2a. Powers-Johnson (C/OG - Oregon) - 2b. Haynes (OG - UConn)
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 5, 2024 18:12:36 GMT -5
Senior bowl is a joke.. best players come out as juniors.. id rather watch the junior bowl if it existed. Can you name me a senior bowl MVP QB who amounted to anything in the NFL? MVP
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Post by Nite on Feb 5, 2024 19:33:52 GMT -5
Its just one game. A singular data point for evaluation. Only a doofus would make a decision on a singular point..
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 5, 2024 21:59:02 GMT -5
Actually, I think it’s good for getting a better grasp on linemen.
BJ Hill was really good during his Senior Bowl week. Gettleman drafted Hill, developed him and then traded him. Cincy seems to like him and the Giants have a vacant DE.
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Aris
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Post by Aris on Feb 6, 2024 5:45:45 GMT -5
We should come away with a guard and a tackle with versatility ...no excuses...this should finally be the year to solidify that OL. To hell with a wide receiver at 6....get the OL done with the first 2 picks. The idea of drafting another LT and trying to convert him to RT doesn’t seem like an ideal use of the #6 pick to me. I haven’t watched either of the projected top-2, but we danced that dance before with another “can’t miss” prospect and it has been a disaster. The OL talent is stacked this year. I’d rather trade down and grab someone like the RT from Oregon St, then turn around in the 2nd and grab the C from Oregon or the OG from UConn. Otherwise, I’d we stay at #6, grab the BPA which will likely be a WR. I’ve been big on Odunze since watching film on Penix, but Nabers is really growing on me. Take your pick, then circle back on days 2 & 3 to bolster the OL. 1. Nabers (WR - LSU) - 2a. Powers-Johnson (C/OG - Oregon) - 2b. Haynes (OG - UConn) 6 BPA could be a tackle...it's not a huge conversion for a tackle to play either side. RT can and do get picked early. I give Tristan Wirfs as an example for both. He was taken 13th, as a right tackle. He is now the Buc's LT, and had no issue moving over....still pro bowl, all pro quality. I have no problem trading down and if we do drop back and JJ is gone, get the right tackle if he is still standing....still not sure what team would dance with us with a 6. Taliese Fuaga, the right tackle from OS is on a lot of boards as the 3rd best offensive lineman. He's also projected to move inside. I traded back in one of my underwear mocks and took him. However, if at 6, Alt or Fashanu are there, and they are a BPA....they should be the pick over any x receiver and moved over. IMHO of course. I love your 2a pick...but he and the kid from Duke will be late 1st rounders IMHO. They are day 1 starters and versatile...coaches love that.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 7:23:15 GMT -5
The idea of drafting another LT and trying to convert him to RT doesn’t seem like an ideal use of the #6 pick to me. I haven’t watched either of the projected top-2, but we danced that dance before with another “can’t miss” prospect and it has been a disaster. The OL talent is stacked this year. I’d rather trade down and grab someone like the RT from Oregon St, then turn around in the 2nd and grab the C from Oregon or the OG from UConn. Otherwise, I’d we stay at #6, grab the BPA which will likely be a WR. I’ve been big on Odunze since watching film on Penix, but Nabers is really growing on me. Take your pick, then circle back on days 2 & 3 to bolster the OL. 1. Nabers (WR - LSU) - 2a. Powers-Johnson (C/OG - Oregon) - 2b. Haynes (OG - UConn) 6 BPA could be a tackle...it's not a huge conversion for a tackle to play either side. RT can and do get picked early. I give Tristan Wirfs as an example for both. He was taken 13th, as a right tackle. He is now the Buc's LT, and had no issue moving over....still pro bowl, all pro quality. I have no problem trading down and if we do drop back and JJ is gone, get the right tackle if he is still standing....still not sure what team would dance with us with a 6. Taliese Fuaga, the right tackle from OS is on a lot of boards as the 3rd best offensive lineman. He's also projected to move inside. I traded back in one of my underwear mocks and took him. However, if at 6, Alt or Fashanu are there, and they are a BPA....they should be the pick over any x receiver and moved over. IMHO of course. I love your 2a pick...but he and the kid from Duke will be late 1st rounders IMHO. They are day 1 starters and versatile...coaches love that. Good call on Wirfs. In terms of trading back, I think a team needing a LT would be willing to trade up. If we think we can convert one of those guys to RT then I’d be fine taking one. I’m just scarred by Neal. Unfortunately I think you’re correct regarding the kids from Oregon and Duke, and I’m not sure the kid from UConn will be there either. I’d be fine with any of the three. Watching the kid from Oregon St at the Senior Bowl was impressive. Didn’t know anything about him before but he stonewalled everything I saw. I figure his stock will rise and won’t be shocked if he’s considered a top-10 or top-15 pick. Are Alt and the kid from PSU that much better?
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Post by Aris on Feb 6, 2024 7:55:42 GMT -5
6 BPA could be a tackle...it's not a huge conversion for a tackle to play either side. RT can and do get picked early. I give Tristan Wirfs as an example for both. He was taken 13th, as a right tackle. He is now the Buc's LT, and had no issue moving over....still pro bowl, all pro quality. I have no problem trading down and if we do drop back and JJ is gone, get the right tackle if he is still standing....still not sure what team would dance with us with a 6. Taliese Fuaga, the right tackle from OS is on a lot of boards as the 3rd best offensive lineman. He's also projected to move inside. I traded back in one of my underwear mocks and took him. However, if at 6, Alt or Fashanu are there, and they are a BPA....they should be the pick over any x receiver and moved over. IMHO of course. I love your 2a pick...but he and the kid from Duke will be late 1st rounders IMHO. They are day 1 starters and versatile...coaches love that. Good call on Wirfs. In terms of trading back, I think a team needing a LT would be willing to trade up. If we think we can convert one of those guys to RT then I’d be fine taking one. I’m just scarred by Neal. Unfortunately I think you’re correct regarding the kids from Oregon and Duke, and I’m not sure the kid from UConn will be there either. I’d be fine with any of the three. Watching the kid from Oregon St at the Senior Bowl was impressive. Didn’t know anything about him before but he stonewalled everything I saw. I figure his stock will rise and won’t be shocked if he’s considered a top-10 or top-15 pick. Are Alt and the kid from PSU that much better? Yes, I believe better in that neither is projected as a guard, as is Fuaga. I totally understand the sick feeling we have due to Neal, but a miss is a miss, and right tackle is a huge need to get any x receiver vertical routes done. When all is said and done, any potential quality starting tackle is a top ten pick. The value of these guys is the second highest of any position. Fuaga might have to kick inside as a guard, thus a trade back and taking him 10 -15 would be ideal vs picking him at 6. In his case, a WR might be the better answer at 6. The two true tackles however are IMHO, a better value and a bigger need on this team vs any receiver other than Harrison. Just one posters thoughts. Speaking of that right tackle…. www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-falcons-patriots-make-trades-to-land-qbsOlumuyiwa Is falling…I know he had a not so good year, but your RT guy picked in a mock by a well respected talent evaluator at 6…
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 6, 2024 12:17:10 GMT -5
Good call on Wirfs. In terms of trading back, I think a team needing a LT would be willing to trade up. If we think we can convert one of those guys to RT then I’d be fine taking one. I’m just scarred by Neal. Unfortunately I think you’re correct regarding the kids from Oregon and Duke, and I’m not sure the kid from UConn will be there either. I’d be fine with any of the three. Watching the kid from Oregon St at the Senior Bowl was impressive. Didn’t know anything about him before but he stonewalled everything I saw. I figure his stock will rise and won’t be shocked if he’s considered a top-10 or top-15 pick. Are Alt and the kid from PSU that much better? Yes, I believe better in that neither is projected as a guard, as is Fuaga. I totally understand the sick feeling we have due to Neal, but a miss is a miss, and right tackle is a huge need to get any x receiver vertical routes done. When all is said and done, any potential quality starting tackle is a top ten pick. The value of these guys is the second highest of any position. Fuaga might have to kick inside as a guard, thus a trade back and taking him 10 -15 would be ideal vs picking him at 6. In his case, a WR might be the better answer at 6. The two true tackles however are IMHO, a better value and a bigger need on this team vs any receiver other than Harrison. Just one posters thoughts. Speaking of that right tackle…. www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-falcons-patriots-make-trades-to-land-qbsOlumuyiwa Is falling…I know he had a not so good year, but your RT guy picked in a mock by a well respected talent evaluator at 6…
I hadn't heard that about Fuaga. I'll always welcome versatility on the OL but I had him pegged as a prototypical RT......listed at 6'5/330, an apparent mauler in the run game, and I read he didn't give up a single sack in pass protection. Sounds like a beast.
Either way, the fact that there actually seems to be a deep pool of OL talent this draft is great news for the GMen. Whoever it ends up being, I think we should be able to land a couple starters.
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Post by Aris on Feb 6, 2024 12:35:37 GMT -5
Yes, I believe better in that neither is projected as a guard, as is Fuaga. I totally understand the sick feeling we have due to Neal, but a miss is a miss, and right tackle is a huge need to get any x receiver vertical routes done. When all is said and done, any potential quality starting tackle is a top ten pick. The value of these guys is the second highest of any position. Fuaga might have to kick inside as a guard, thus a trade back and taking him 10 -15 would be ideal vs picking him at 6. In his case, a WR might be the better answer at 6. The two true tackles however are IMHO, a better value and a bigger need on this team vs any receiver other than Harrison. Just one posters thoughts. Speaking of that right tackle…. www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-falcons-patriots-make-trades-to-land-qbsOlumuyiwa Is falling…I know he had a not so good year, but your RT guy picked in a mock by a well respected talent evaluator at 6…
I hadn't heard that about Fuaga. I'll always welcome versatility on the OL but I had him pegged as a prototypical RT......listed at 6'5/330, an apparent mauler in the run game, and I read he didn't give up a single sack in pass protection. Sounds like a beast.
Either way, the fact that there actually seems to be a deep pool of OL talent this draft is great news for the GMen. Whoever it ends up being, I think we should be able to land a couple starters.
I wouldn't shed a tear if they take a starter at 6 that can play RT or guard and do it in beast mode ... same page.
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