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Post by southerner on Feb 22, 2024 4:56:30 GMT -5
The more we all hear about all the disruption that existed within and around the Giant’s management and coaching staff, the clearer it becomes we are entering another disastrous season in 2025. There really is nothing that would excite any NFL fan about this team. Last year Washington finished behind the Giants, but they did create massive amounts of cap space and get a probable franchise QB in the draft. There is no doubt they will finish ahead of the Giants next year and once again the Giants will be drafting in the top 5 after the season, with a new GM & HC…….with little hope of becoming really competitive until 2026 or 2027. Even the Carolina Panthers will finish ahead of the Giants next season.
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Post by thrax on Feb 22, 2024 5:24:32 GMT -5
did I miss the 2024 season?
I vote we limit the doom prophecies to the upcoming season
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 22, 2024 6:35:55 GMT -5
The more we all hear about all the disruption that existed within and around the Giant’s management and coaching staff, the clearer it becomes we are entering another disastrous season in 2025. There really is nothing that would excite any NFL fan about this team. Last year Washington finished behind the Giants, but they did create massive amounts of cap space and get a probable franchise QB in the draft. There is no doubt they will finish ahead of the Giants next year and once again the Giants will be drafting in the top 5 after the season, with a new GM & HC…….with little hope of becoming really competitive until 2026 or 2027. Even the Carolina Panthers will finish ahead of the Giants next season. I miss these posts. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2024 8:06:54 GMT -5
seriously, how will we possibly fill out our couching staff with all this going on...oh wait...
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Post by southerner on Feb 22, 2024 8:19:03 GMT -5
seriously, how will we possibly fill out our couching staff with all this going on...oh wait... Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 22, 2024 8:29:19 GMT -5
The more we all hear about all the disruption that existed within and around the Giant’s management and coaching staff, LOL, Your agenda is worth crap! You and others act like yelling between Coaches and players only happens with the Giants, BS. Your agenda of hate needs to be put away. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nick-sirianni-couldn-t-handle-the-loss-of-a-member-of-his-team-and-that-led-to-the-eagles-debacle/ar-BB1iG9q7?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=178bba4db6e64f409eb03671438fb460&ei=82Nick Sirianni couldn't handle the loss of a member of his team and that led to the Eagles debacle "The influence of Big Dom Derrick Gunn, a reporter who has long covered the Eagles, said on his X account that DiSandro helps control " Sirianni's emotions on the sideline. In his absence, Nick gets into numerous arguments with players/coaches during games."
Other analysts admit that Gunn could be right, given Philadelphia's disastrous performance in that stretch. Although they also remember that "Big Dom's" suspension ended in the postseason, and they still fell resoundingly 32-9 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the wild-card round. However, it is worth remembering Sirianni himself admitted that he had been "too tense" and that this had affected the team. This after the hard-fought 33-25 victory over the New York Giants in Week 16." |
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Post by mendy on Feb 22, 2024 8:30:25 GMT -5
seriously, how will we possibly fill out our couching staff with all this going on...oh wait... Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. In you opinion and only your opinion. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2024 8:30:34 GMT -5
seriously, how will we possibly fill out our couching staff with all this going on...oh wait... Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. only if your eyes are closed. We hired some quality coaches. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 22, 2024 8:31:31 GMT -5
Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. only if your eyes are closed. We hired some quality coaches. See that doesn't match with his agenda of hate. |
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Post by southerner on Feb 22, 2024 9:10:16 GMT -5
Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. only if your eyes are closed. We hired some quality coaches. Not sure about that…..the quality coaches either leave the Giants, or refuse to even consider taking a job with them. Dabol has now been exposed as a little tyrant blaming all his other coaches for the failures of his coaching ideas and the repeated mistakes of Schoen handling the draft and free agency……Schoen’s massive mistake by resigning Jones should have earned him a ticket out of town after this last season…….after 2025 Dabol and Schoen will both be gone and the Giants trying to hire yet another GM & HC, while prospective candidates will be hesitant to sign on to such a dysfuntional organization. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 22, 2024 9:11:31 GMT -5
Schoen and Daboll have put themselves on the hot seat, which is why I think getting a QB is even more vital for them. A kid QB can buy you time.
Regardless in 2024 this team needs to make significant strides offensively or have a kid QB showing signs of life by the end of 2024.
If 2024 looks anyything like 2020, 2021, or 2023 these guys need to go.
My fear is Mara turning to Belichick who is completely washed up. Bobby Slowik or Davis Webb as HC, Saleh as DC assuming he is fired would be my choice of staff if we fire Daboll next year.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2024 9:56:25 GMT -5
Schoen and Daboll have put themselves on the hot seat, which is why I think getting a QB is even more vital for them. A kid QB can buy you time. Regardless in 2024 this team needs to make significant strides offensively or have a kid QB showing signs of life by the end of 2024. If 2024 looks anyything like 2020, 2021, or 2023 these guys need to go. My fear is Mara turning to Belichick who is completely washed up. Bobby Slowik or Davis Webb as HC, Saleh as DC assuming he is fired would be my choice of staff if we fire Daboll next year. we all know that year 6 will be the one where DJ takes a leap forward, so I wouldn't worry about that...  |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 22, 2024 10:00:27 GMT -5
Schoen and Daboll have put themselves on the hot seat, which is why I think getting a QB is even more vital for them. A kid QB can buy you time. Regardless in 2024 this team needs to make significant strides offensively or have a kid QB showing signs of life by the end of 2024. If 2024 looks anyything like 2020, 2021, or 2023 these guys need to go. My fear is Mara turning to Belichick who is completely washed up. Bobby Slowik or Davis Webb as HC, Saleh as DC assuming he is fired would be my choice of staff if we fire Daboll next year. we all know that year 6 will be the one where DJ takes a leap forward, so I wouldn't worry about that... Miracles happen, but Schoen should not be pinning his hopes on a miracle. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2024 10:04:55 GMT -5
did I miss the 2024 season? I vote we limit the doom prophecies to the upcoming season The southerner is the grim reaper of Giants football lol these are grain of salt moments. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2024 10:09:48 GMT -5
we all know that year 6 will be the one where DJ takes a leap forward, so I wouldn't worry about that... Miracles happen, but Schoen should not be pinning his hopes on a miracle. just for the record, I was being quite sarcastic... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2024 10:11:43 GMT -5
we all know that year 6 will be the one where DJ takes a leap forward, so I wouldn't worry about that... Miracles happen, but Schoen should not be pinning his hopes on a miracle. I think DJs time is about expire as a Giant if they could do it this year he would probably be gone already. pretty good pod cast on talking Giants Bobby Skinner and his guy Justin Pennik had Ryan Dunleavey on and he was pretty straight forward with what he knows to be true it was a good listen. From the Wink drama to the feeling about Jones in the building draft free agency and so forth if you want to give it a listen |
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 22, 2024 10:22:19 GMT -5
Trading up to draft a QB the year after you sign a QB to a 160-million-dollar contract would buy a GM and coach time?
If I'm the owner that's not buying you time, that may get you fired for a massive amount of wasted resources - and tells me the front office has no vision.
Not going to make any bold predictions about the team next year but I don't think a .500 prediction is too optimistic...as usual it will depend on the health of the team. If we can stay healthy like the team did in 2022, who knows, a playoff season wouldn't be probable but not out of the question either.
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 22, 2024 10:39:22 GMT -5
Miracles happen, but Schoen should not be pinning his hopes on a miracle. just for the record, I was being quite sarcastic... Oh absolutely, I got that. I just hope your sarcasm is not our GM’s actual thought process. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2024 10:49:35 GMT -5
just for the record, I was being quite sarcastic... Oh absolutely, I got that. I just hope your sarcasm is not our GM’s actual thought process. me too!! |
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Post by southerner on Feb 22, 2024 12:05:47 GMT -5
Miracles happen, but Schoen should not be pinning his hopes on a miracle. I think DJs time is about expire as a Giant if they could do it this year he would probably be gone already. pretty good pod cast on talking Giants Bobby Skinner and his guy Justin Pennik had Ryan Dunleavey on and he was pretty straight forward with what he knows to be true it was a good listen. From the Wink drama to the feeling about Jones in the building draft free agency and so forth if you want to give it a listen Yeah, looking back on it one thinks it would have been better to extend him, so now they could cut bait and move on. If they really are going to take a QB in the first round, they could trade Jones along with the proviso that the Giants would pay half or more of his salary on their nickel in 2024. Just getting Jones out of the Giant lockerroom would improve the team. |
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Post by McCherry on Feb 22, 2024 12:07:16 GMT -5
I feel like there aren't enough of these posts.
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Post by mendy on Feb 22, 2024 14:20:13 GMT -5
I feel like there aren't enough of these posts. Kinda like Eli sucks or Jones sucks or Barkley sucks, quality posting like that! |
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Post by sickntired on Feb 23, 2024 8:42:42 GMT -5
only if your eyes are closed. We hired some quality coaches. See that doesn't match with his agenda of hate. I hate too. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 23, 2024 9:52:24 GMT -5
Schoen and Daboll have put themselves on the hot seat, which is why I think getting a QB is even more vital for them. A kid QB can buy you time. Regardless in 2024 this team needs to make significant strides offensively or have a kid QB showing signs of life by the end of 2024. If 2024 looks anyything like 2020, 2021, or 2023 these guys need to go. My fear is Mara turning to Belichick who is completely washed up. Bobby Slowik or Davis Webb as HC, Saleh as DC assuming he is fired would be my choice of staff if we fire Daboll next year. 2 seasons removed from being an actual NFL player. LOL, yeah ok. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 23, 2024 13:33:06 GMT -5
Schoen and Daboll have put themselves on the hot seat, which is why I think getting a QB is even more vital for them. A kid QB can buy you time. Regardless in 2024 this team needs to make significant strides offensively or have a kid QB showing signs of life by the end of 2024. If 2024 looks anyything like 2020, 2021, or 2023 these guys need to go. My fear is Mara turning to Belichick who is completely washed up. Bobby Slowik or Davis Webb as HC, Saleh as DC assuming he is fired would be my choice of staff if we fire Daboll next year. 2 seasons removed from being an actual NFL player. LOL, yeah ok. Webb was basically a coach for the last several years of his playing career, he was an active QB coach |
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Post by mendy on Feb 23, 2024 14:43:41 GMT -5
2 seasons removed from being an actual NFL player. LOL, yeah ok. Webb was basically a coach for the last several years of his playing career, he was an active QB coach So again, you want a player 2 seasons removed from being a player as a HEAD COACH, ok. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 23, 2024 14:51:34 GMT -5
seriously, how will we possibly fill out our couching staff with all this going on...oh wait... Sure they can fill out the coaching staff……but with what, certainly not the cream of the crop. Who, in your opinion, is the cream of the crop? |
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Post by giantbob71 on Feb 23, 2024 17:27:18 GMT -5
Trading up to draft a QB the year after you sign a QB to a 160-million-dollar contract would buy a GM and coach time? If I'm the owner that's not buying you time, that may get you fired for a massive amount of wasted resources - and tells me the front office has no vision. Not going to make any bold predictions about the team next year but I don't think a .500 prediction is too optimistic...as usual it will depend on the health of the team. If we can stay healthy like the team did in 2022, who knows, a playoff season wouldn't be probable but not out of the question either. I rarely agree with you...but if Schoen cuts Waller less than a year after trading a 3rd and 5th for him AND drafts a QB at #6 less than a year after giving DJ $160 million, he should be fired before the season starts. The thought of a GM who thought Daniel Jones was a franchise QB, picking our next QB, doesn't excite me. If this team finishes sub .500, I think Daboll is gone. So, might as well clean house and let the new GM pick his own HC. However, then we're back to the same situation where the GM didn't pick the QB. Rinse and repeat. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Feb 23, 2024 19:07:49 GMT -5
Trading up to draft a QB the year after you sign a QB to a 160-million-dollar contract would buy a GM and coach time? If I'm the owner that's not buying you time, that may get you fired for a massive amount of wasted resources - and tells me the front office has no vision. Not going to make any bold predictions about the team next year but I don't think a .500 prediction is too optimistic...as usual it will depend on the health of the team. If we can stay healthy like the team did in 2022, who knows, a playoff season wouldn't be probable but not out of the question either. I rarely agree with you...but if Schoen cuts Waller less than a year after trading a 3rd and 5th for him AND drafts a QB at #6 less than a year after giving DJ $160 million, he should be fired before the season starts. The thought of a GM who thought Daniel Jones was a franchise QB, picking our next QB, doesn't excite me.If this team finishes sub .500, I think Daboll is gone. So, might as well clean house and let the new GM pick his own HC. However, then we're back to the same situation where the GM didn't pick the QB. Rinse and repeat. How do you know that though? Schoen has certainly not said anything like that. The contract Jones signed is not like any of the contracts where teams think they have a franchise QB. Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Hurts, Herbert all signed bigger and longer contracts that backload a lot of the money because those teams know/think that's their QB for the foreseeable future. So, why give Jones that much money? As much of a mirage as 2022 was for the Giants, Jones did show some signs of improvement and was generally ok. And while under most circumstances Schoen/Daboll probably could have moved on from him, a playoff win and luck got in the way. This is where you have to remove your fandom from your opinion, because as a fan it is easy to say the Giants should have moved on (even without hindsight) and not pay Jones. However, as a first time GM and first time HC in their first year, leading the NY Giants to their first playoff appearance in 6 years and winning their first playoff game in 11 years AND Daboll getting COY, Schoen goes to Mara...let's start over. Could he have been bold and done it, sure, I bet he considered it, but had it gone wrong he would never be a GM again. |
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 23, 2024 19:23:01 GMT -5
I feel like there aren't enough of these posts. Kinda like Eli sucks or Jones sucks or Barkley sucks, quality posting like that!Apparently everyone but the owners suck. Amazing in an organization has flailed about since pretty much 2013. Remember when TC "quit" and publicly dissed the owner on camera by refusing to acknowledge him walking off the stage? The next 10 years explains it perfectly. It's not the players, coaches or GMs. It's a billion dollar organization being run by idiot family members. Where have we seen fail this most recently? |
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