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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 25, 2024 19:26:29 GMT -5
Since I'm currently gainfully unemployed, I'll probably watch a fair amount of the Combine this week, figured I'd start a discussion thread, keep it all in one place.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 25, 2024 20:31:18 GMT -5
I too am interested to see where everyone is ranked after the combine this coming week. But so many players don't work out anymore they feel they have too much to lose. They do their own personnel workout at their college on the team day.
How many QB's are going to throw ?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 25, 2024 20:52:13 GMT -5
no idea, and I just checked coverage starts on Thursday, for some reason I thought it was tomorrow, lol.
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 25, 2024 22:53:37 GMT -5
The players report on Tuesday.
Thursday, DL and LB Friday, DB and TE Saturday, RB , QB and Receivers Sunday, OL
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 26, 2024 7:19:08 GMT -5
on GMF they just said that Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix will all throw. Caleb Williams will not, no word on Drake Maye yet.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 26, 2024 7:47:31 GMT -5
looks like Jayden Daniels will only throw at his pro-day, too bad...
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 7:53:00 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting your head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play.
The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 26, 2024 8:25:24 GMT -5
I too am interested to see where everyone is ranked after the combine this coming week. But so many players don't work out anymore they feel they have too much to lose. They do their own personnel workout at their college on the team day. How many QB's are going to throw ? That's the sucky part. These kids aren't comfortable enough to go out to the combine and showcase their skills. How the hell will they be comfortable enough to move to a different city and perform week in and week out without thier college coaches or trainers? I have always wondered what compels a QB prospect not to throw at the combine. It seems weird that these guys don't want to compete with other QB prospects. It shows thier drive to compete or be the best is lacking.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 9:59:05 GMT -5
I too am interested to see where everyone is ranked after the combine this coming week. But so many players don't work out anymore they feel they have too much to lose. They do their own personnel workout at their college on the team day. How many QB's are going to throw ? That's the sucky part. These kids aren't comfortable enough to go out to the combine and showcase their skills. How the hell will they be comfortable enough to move to a different city and perform week in and week out without thier college coaches or trainers? I have always wondered what compels a QB prospect not to throw at the combine. It seems weird that these guys don't want to compete with other QB prospects. It shows thier drive to compete or be the best is lacking. Yes the top ones don't want to risk losing money by dropping in the rankings. Now the 2nd tier guys should compete they have nothing to lose. But say Williams or Maye they could very easily sit and keep their 1 and 2 rankings..
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 26, 2024 11:08:40 GMT -5
on GMF they just said that Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix will all throw. Caleb Williams will not, no word on Drake Maye yet. Very interested to see Bo Nix throw. Most talking heads mention his arm as being an issue but I haven’t seen that when watching him. It seems more than capable and he looks like he has the tools to be a solid dual threat QB. Same can be said for McCarthy, but his stock seems to be on the rise while Nix continues to be an afterthought.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2024 12:28:57 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting you head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play. The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league. It’s the Mike Mamula effect.. One player singlehandedly flipped the combine on its head. He was already on teams radar for his ability to wreck havoc on quarterbacks. What put him on the map was his one man show at the combine. It’s nothing more than a dog and pony show for the league. Most of these kids have been poked and prodded more than they care to remember. Besides the stragglers trying to get noticed.. Every team has their blood type.. right down to stool samples.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2024 22:45:14 GMT -5
on GMF they just said that Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix will all throw. Caleb Williams will not, no word on Drake Maye yet. Very interested to see Bo Nix throw. Most talking heads mention his arm as being an issue but I haven’t seen that when watching him. It seems more than capable and he looks like he has the tools to be a solid dual threat QB. Same can be said for McCarthy, but his stock seems to be on the rise while Nix continues to be an afterthought. the guy to watch if you want a low risk high reward type guy is Rattler word is he has gotten his head right has matured he still has the arm talent he can move enough to get time and space to throw
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 27, 2024 6:47:45 GMT -5
Very interested to see Bo Nix throw. Most talking heads mention his arm as being an issue but I haven’t seen that when watching him. It seems more than capable and he looks like he has the tools to be a solid dual threat QB. Same can be said for McCarthy, but his stock seems to be on the rise while Nix continues to be an afterthought. the guy to watch if you want a low risk high reward type guy is Rattler word is he has gotten his head right has matured he still has the arm talent he can move enough to get time and space to throw I don’t know. I’m trying to stay away from off the field stuff but everything I’ve heard about Rattler as a person has been concerning. He’s apparently been a primadonna asshole who doesn’t get along with his teammates going back to high school. Now that he has a chance to go pro he’s suddenly changed his ways? I have a hard time believing it. Folks talk about Caleb Williams being odd, or aloof, or whatever, but at least his teammates like him.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 27, 2024 7:53:50 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting you head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play. The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league. I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 27, 2024 9:42:16 GMT -5
the guy to watch if you want a low risk high reward type guy is Rattler word is he has gotten his head right has matured he still has the arm talent he can move enough to get time and space to throw I don’t know. I’m trying to stay away from off the field stuff but everything I’ve heard about Rattler as a person has been concerning. He’s apparently been a primadonna asshole who doesn’t get along with his teammates going back to high school. Now that he has a chance to go pro he’s suddenly changed his ways? I have a hard time believing it. Folks talk about Caleb Williams being odd, or aloof, or whatever, but at least his teammates like him. That is true seems Rattler has said he wishes he did things differently think he has last a lot already at this point he is a 3rd or 4th rd pick. He was next in line to be the next Lincoln Riley wonder boy he has lost millions of dollars and his reputation, If they don't get McCarthy or one of the top 3 he might be worth that gamble. There is Nix or Pennix also maybe in the 2nd round.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 27, 2024 9:48:36 GMT -5
I don’t know. I’m trying to stay away from off the field stuff but everything I’ve heard about Rattler as a person has been concerning. He’s apparently been a primadonna asshole who doesn’t get along with his teammates going back to high school. Now that he has a chance to go pro he’s suddenly changed his ways? I have a hard time believing it. Folks talk about Caleb Williams being odd, or aloof, or whatever, but at least his teammates like him. That is true seems Rattler has said he wishes he did things differently think he has last a lot already at this point he is a 3rd or 4th rd pick. He was next in line to be the next Lincoln Riley wonder boy he has lost millions of dollars and his reputation, If they don't get McCarthy or one of the top 3 he might be worth that gamble. There is Nix or Pennix also maybe in the 2nd round.
Based on what I've heard about Rattler I'd honestly take him off of my big board. I have a hard time rooting for people like that and would hate for him to end up in blue.
Would be just fine with Nix and McCarthy. If either lasted until Rd2 I'd be thrilled.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 27, 2024 10:10:04 GMT -5
That is true seems Rattler has said he wishes he did things differently think he has last a lot already at this point he is a 3rd or 4th rd pick. He was next in line to be the next Lincoln Riley wonder boy he has lost millions of dollars and his reputation, If they don't get McCarthy or one of the top 3 he might be worth that gamble. There is Nix or Pennix also maybe in the 2nd round.
Based on what I've heard about Rattler I'd honestly take him off of my big board. I have a hard time rooting for people like that and would hate for him to end up in blue.
Would be just fine with Nix and McCarthy. If either lasted until Rd2 I'd be thrilled.
The more I look at this class if they right guy is there in round 2 I would pull the trigger that is if we can't get up a few spots for one of the top 3. After those 3 there is just to many good football players that will be ranked considerably higher than any of the QBs that are left, Schoen can get a lot done with tha #6 and the 2 2nd round picks and 3rd. Don't want them to be desperate and just draft a QB because we need one I would say if they don't last to a reasonable place where value meets need maybe get a kid like Pratt in here who can surely be a backup and possibly a starter in time.
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Post by Nite on Feb 27, 2024 14:55:19 GMT -5
on GMF they just said that Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix will all throw. Caleb Williams will not, no word on Drake Maye yet.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 27, 2024 16:09:39 GMT -5
I gotta admit I love that Marvin Harrison Jr is blowing off the combine. 100% the right move.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 27, 2024 16:46:20 GMT -5
I gotta admit I love that Marvin Harrison Jr is blowing off the combine. 100% the right move. apparently he's not going to work out at the OSU pro day either, that takes cahones for sure!!!
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Post by TEM on Feb 28, 2024 7:45:21 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting you head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play. The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league. I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. I think you can see a lot about a player's personality / instinct with film. That applies to players that are considered draftable. They all look great when it is easy. Or they would not be considered draftable. Make the pass when the receiver is wide open. Every QB can do that. Catch the ball with no one's breath on their neck. Every ball catcher can do that. Every RB can run through a huge gap. What about when it is 12 inches or less of gap to run through? When it is hard with pain. Only the cream rises to the top. Hard with pain. That my friend is the 10-20% of the film that is not noise. It is the all-seeing eye. Only the cream rises to the top. The player has it. or he doesn't when it is difficult. Most will fold when tribulation is applied. Every play in the NFL is difficult. The same observations can be applied to every player relative to their position. This just..... My Opinion on why players fail in the NFL. At least one aspect of it. The 10-20% of the film is taken too lightly. When you take away Kool-Aid statement "he is not used to the speed of the game" They all come out of the NCAA with speed. By all means a rookie should be as fast or faster than their aging counterparts. Take that Kool-Aid statement away. Apply" The difficulties of the game are overwhelming." The 10 to 20% I wrote about makes sense.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 28, 2024 8:37:30 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting you head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play. The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league. I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. I also think it can be a good opportunity for players from smaller schools and players overshadowed by 5-star talent. If a lesser known prospect stands out in a particular area it may force teams to go back and do their due diligence.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 28, 2024 8:37:49 GMT -5
I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. I think you can see a lot about a player's personality / instinct with film. That applies to players that are considered draftable. They all look great when it is easy. Or they would not be considered draftable. Make the pass when the receiver is wide open. Every QB can do that. Catch the ball with no one's breath on their neck. Every ball catcher can do that. Every RB can run through a huge gap. What about when it is 12 inches or less of gap to run through? When it is hard with pain. Only the cream rises to the top. Hard with pain. That my friend is the 10-20% of the film that is not noise. It is the all-seeing eye. Only the cream rises to the top. The player has it. or he doesn't when it is difficult. Most will fold when tribulation is applied. Every play in the NFL is difficult. The same observations can be applied to every player relative to their position. This just..... My Opinion on why players fail in the NFL. At least one aspect of it. The 10-20% of the film is taken too lightly. When you take away Kool-Aid statement "he is not used to the speed of the game" They all come out of the NCAA with speed. By all means a rookie should be as fast or faster than their aging counterparts. Take that Kool-Aid statement away. Apply" The difficulties of the game are overwhelming." The 10 to 20% I wrote about makes sense. yeah. the whole skeleton throw and catch is pretty ridiculous. They do look for the deep out and up ball to test arm strength. Otherwise, if the patterns are scripted it’s almost like a dance or song. They can all do it Film, yeah 👍. I’m huge on that and in college they might be such superior athletes among amateurs they may go light on the film. Not in the NFL if you want be successful. ”Speed of the game” that’s actually true imo. It doesn’t have to do with their physical ability as much as their ability to recognize a system far different than college. For anybody, they’re going to hesitate until it becomes recognizable while every veteran who does recognize the play, collectively, it’s faster b/c they’re all pros. Unlike college were an a few pros surrounded by a bunch of amateurs . . . which brings us to Mr Jones. Watches film, has the physical ability . . . is the pro game too fast for him to process? He stares at receivers.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 28, 2024 8:40:58 GMT -5
I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. I also think it can be a good opportunity for players from smaller schools and players overshadowed by 5-star talent. If a lesser known prospect stands out in a particular area it may force teams to go back and do their due diligence. I think that’s true yet if we compare the Combine to the Senior Bowl, I think the Senior Bowl is far more valuable than the combine. The combine could be the difference between getting draft and not yet I think we’re talking 6th or 7th Round. Not to many unknowns don’t do the Senior Bowl and suddenly get discovered at the combine and go from a nobody to top 3 Rounds.
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Post by TEM on Feb 28, 2024 9:48:11 GMT -5
I think you can see a lot about a player's personality / instinct with film. That applies to players that are considered draftable. They all look great when it is easy. Or they would not be considered draftable. Make the pass when the receiver is wide open. Every QB can do that. Catch the ball with no one's breath on their neck. Every ball catcher can do that. Every RB can run through a huge gap. What about when it is 12 inches or less of gap to run through? When it is hard with pain. Only the cream rises to the top. Hard with pain. That my friend is the 10-20% of the film that is not noise. It is the all-seeing eye. Only the cream rises to the top. The player has it. or he doesn't when it is difficult. Most will fold when tribulation is applied. Every play in the NFL is difficult. The same observations can be applied to every player relative to their position. This just..... My Opinion on why players fail in the NFL. At least one aspect of it. The 10-20% of the film is taken too lightly. When you take away Kool-Aid statement "he is not used to the speed of the game" They all come out of the NCAA with speed. By all means a rookie should be as fast or faster than their aging counterparts. Take that Kool-Aid statement away. Apply" The difficulties of the game are overwhelming." The 10 to 20% I wrote about makes sense. yeah. the whole skeleton throw and catch is pretty ridiculous. They do look for the deep out and up ball to test arm strength. Otherwise, if the patterns are scripted it’s almost like a dance or song. They can all do it Film, yeah 👍. I’m huge on that and in college they might be such superior athletes among amateurs they may go light on the film. Not in the NFL if you want be successful. ”Speed of the game” that’s actually true imo. It doesn’t have to do with their physical ability as much as their ability to recognize a system far different than college. For anybody, they’re going to hesitate until it becomes recognizable while every veteran who does recognize the play, collectively, it’s faster b/c they’re all pros. Unlike college were an a few pros surrounded by a bunch of amateurs . . . which brings us to Mr Jones. Watches film, has the physical ability . . . is the pro game too fast for him to process? He stares at receivers. I view speed difficulty as the same animal in context. Yeah your points hold validity in that regared. I look at Mahomes. He slows the game down and he is still difficult to beat. The game can be overwhelming. That is a problem for most draftees.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 28, 2024 9:57:51 GMT -5
yeah. the whole skeleton throw and catch is pretty ridiculous. They do look for the deep out and up ball to test arm strength. Otherwise, if the patterns are scripted it’s almost like a dance or song. They can all do it Film, yeah 👍. I’m huge on that and in college they might be such superior athletes among amateurs they may go light on the film. Not in the NFL if you want be successful. ”Speed of the game” that’s actually true imo. It doesn’t have to do with their physical ability as much as their ability to recognize a system far different than college. For anybody, they’re going to hesitate until it becomes recognizable while every veteran who does recognize the play, collectively, it’s faster b/c they’re all pros. Unlike college were an a few pros surrounded by a bunch of amateurs . . . which brings us to Mr Jones. Watches film, has the physical ability . . . is the pro game too fast for him to process? He stares at receivers. I view speed difficulty as the same animal in context. Yeah your points hold validity in that regared. I look at Mahomes. He slows the game down and he is still difficult to beat. The game can be overwhelming. That is a problem for most draftees. well, I mean speed of the game like early in camp where everything is new. You’re talking Mahomes. Yeah, the game is really slow behind his eyes. He just gets it. I think Marino saw the game as a rookie the same way. He was just wired right. I think the game is a bit overwhelming for rookies b/c they don’t really have an off-season. It’s all a rush. the rookie season lol. Omg. (Agent, Senior Bowl, Combine, Individual workouts, interviews, draft, rookie workouts, OTA, OTA, camp, pre-season (don’t get cut) then a 17 game schedule.) a veteran goes through his familiar routine . . . then onto the OTA . . . 17 game schedule. It’s a lot less hectic. They actually have time to think.
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 28, 2024 12:42:32 GMT -5
on GMF they just said that Bo Nix, JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix will all throw. Caleb Williams will not, no word on Drake Maye yet. Very interested to see Bo Nix throw. Most talking heads mention his arm as being an issue but I haven’t seen that when watching him. It seems more than capable and he looks like he has the tools to be a solid dual threat QB. Same can be said for McCarthy, but his stock seems to be on the rise while Nix continues to be an afterthought. Nix can throw - great arm. Not as accurate as JJ and Penix. I’ll see if that comment holds up. Nix biggest problem has always been decision making and easy to read where he’s going with the ball - especially at Auburn but more limited same traits at Oregon. Last I read Williams - Maye - Daniels not throwing at combine. Williams - doesn’t want to get exposed on accuracy. Maye - I’m surprised isn’t throwing Danials struggles to be accurate on all throws - why be exposed?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 28, 2024 13:29:44 GMT -5
Very interested to see Bo Nix throw. Most talking heads mention his arm as being an issue but I haven’t seen that when watching him. It seems more than capable and he looks like he has the tools to be a solid dual threat QB. Same can be said for McCarthy, but his stock seems to be on the rise while Nix continues to be an afterthought. Nix can throw - great arm. Not as accurate as JJ and Penix. I’ll see if that comment holds up. Nix biggest problem has always been decision making and easy to read where he’s going with the ball - especially at Auburn but more limited same traits at Oregon. Last I read Williams - Maye - Daniels not throwing at combine. Williams - doesn’t want to get exposed on accuracy. Maye - I’m surprised isn’t throwing Danials struggles to be accurate on all throws - why be exposed? I'm surprised that Maye is not throwing as well, especially with Williams and Daniels opting out.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 28, 2024 17:14:56 GMT -5
Any player that moves up in rank because of the combine. Is a Fugazi. It is easy to throw and catch without the chance of getting you head removed from your shoulders. I want the guy that will stand in there and take the hit and make the play. The combine is a Joke. Just a marketing tool for agents and the league. I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. It also shows how much work ethic the guys have… things like - you knew you were going to get weighed at this event, yet you’re still 400. Lbs?? If you can’t be bothered to prep for the job, how can you be expected to work hard once you have a gtd contract? Also gives an inkling as to how competitive the guy is.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 28, 2024 17:25:43 GMT -5
I think it’s a gathering to interview and speak to multiple players. What type of person is this? Explain what you see on this play. Was there an incident so explain what happened, etc. The events themselves, yeah, they might discover a kid is a better athlete (ie: better hips or a poor bench press could indicate a poor work ethic) yet it’s not like combine numbers indicate which prospect will be a better NFL player. They’re all good athletes yet the difference is cerebral. It’s a mental game. It also shows how much work ethic the guys have… things like - you knew you were going to get weighed at this event, yet you’re still 400. Lbs?? If you can’t be bothered to prep for the job, how can you be expected to work hard once you have a gtd contract? Also gives an inkling as to how competitive the guy is. agree
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