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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 26, 2024 13:10:37 GMT -5
The offspring of Wellington Mara have run this franchise into the ground and there is no end in sight. I am so discouraged by this hiring. I thought Schoen was hired to be a real GM making his own decisions, this shows that is not the case. These Maras won’t stay out of the way.
#NYGiants Director of Player Personnel Tim McDonnell and Nephew of Owner John Mara has 11 Years of NFL experience. This makes him the 2nd Least experienced Director of Player Personnel in the NFL.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2024 13:19:10 GMT -5
hmmm 🤨
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 26, 2024 13:22:05 GMT -5
Yay
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 13:26:43 GMT -5
Not surprised.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2024 13:30:43 GMT -5
Tim McDonnell has been the director of player personnel for the past 3 years...
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2024 13:31:20 GMT -5
Usual nepotism by the NYG organization.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2024 13:32:00 GMT -5
The offspring of Wellington Mara have run this franchise into the ground and there is no end in sight. I am so discouraged by this hiring. I thought Schoen was hired to be a real GM making his own decisions, this shows that is not the case. These Maras won’t stay out of the way. #NYGiants Director of Player Personnel Tim McDonnell and Nephew of Owner John Mara has 11 Years of NFL experience. This makes him the 2nd Least experienced Director of Player Personnel in the NFL. Did he assume the watch from Chris a few years ago? |
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Post by te88 on Feb 26, 2024 13:51:27 GMT -5
He has been in this role for multiple years already (mostly involved at high levels since the teams major decline from 2012 on). He is also involved in selection of HC and was directly involved in the Brian Flores fiasco where he was personally texting Flores and telling him more or less that there was serious interest from John and he was “their guy”
He is a clown from what I can see. FYI he is also going to take over when John dies or gives it up.
From Giants.com:
He was the assistant director of player personnel in 2019-20 before assuming his current position in 2021.
McDonnell joined the Giants in 2013 and spent his first six years with the organization as a pro scout.
In his current role, McDonnell works closely with senior vice president and general manager Joe Schoen, and assistant general manager Brandon Brown in overseeing all aspects of the player personnel department.
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Post by Modog on Feb 26, 2024 14:38:11 GMT -5
I always felt Dave Gettleman was a token GM, a yes man of sorts... Imo Maras always made the important calls..I don't know what to think about Joe Schoen yet. But the signing of Maras golden boy DJ and now this ....
I wish we got knowledge of the inner workings.. but that will never happen. Bill Belichick is right to warn people from coming into this dumpster fire
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Post by Nite on Feb 26, 2024 15:16:50 GMT -5
Well you know..
The more things change
The more they don't!
Its the Giants Way..That and losing
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Post by Myronguyton29 on Feb 26, 2024 15:31:44 GMT -5
family will always give theirs jobs that's the way it'll be smh.......................
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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 26, 2024 16:03:52 GMT -5
The offspring of Wellington Mara have run this franchise into the ground and there is no end in sight. I am so discouraged by this hiring. I thought Schoen was hired to be a real GM making his own decisions, this shows that is not the case. These Maras won’t stay out of the way. #NYGiants Director of Player Personnel Tim McDonnell and Nephew of Owner John Mara has 11 Years of NFL experience. This makes him the 2nd Least experienced Director of Player Personnel in the NFL. If there wasn't a hint of nepotism within the Giants i'd worry for Johns health. He doesn't know another way |
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Post by Modog on Feb 26, 2024 16:40:34 GMT -5
While I hate seeing owners in positions of player personnel decision makers, im sure this occurs In other franchises and is more common then we think.
Obviously as fans we hate seeing this, because it means there are people making decisions who may not be held accountable for their mistakes as an employee would be. For all the ire Jerry Jones gets for meddling.. it's seems Mara and Co are not much different... They just do a better job of controlling the media machinery
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Post by ocgiant on Feb 26, 2024 17:43:27 GMT -5
Nothing shocking here, we're just so sick of losing, so this just contributes to the inneptness of the organization
I am sure Schoen must love having him around this FA/Draft season.
Better get it right!
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Post by jaymas on Feb 26, 2024 17:53:22 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all.
He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners.
Get your tinfoil hats off.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2024 18:02:34 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all. He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners. Get your tinfoil hats off. so he has always been the most qualified person for the job? |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2024 19:05:36 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all. He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners. Get your tinfoil hats off. I think the beef has more to do with the nepotism that the Giants have within the organization. How do we know if the person is actually fully qualified for his job and/or isn't influencing decisions made my the GM. These are valid questions IMO. |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2024 19:05:58 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all. He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners. Get your tinfoil hats off. so he has always been the most qualified person for the job? That's a really good question. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 19:15:14 GMT -5
Why would anyone expect the Mara family not to hold positions in the organization. They own half the team, it's their family legacy.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 26, 2024 19:28:28 GMT -5
Very, VERY disheartening
He has been around one of the worst runs of talent harvesting in the NFL over the past decade and yet our CEO decides that he is the best person on the planet to fill that critical role.
I am so happy that I walked away from my PSL years ago and haven't paid to see a game since.
Schoen is royally screwed.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 26, 2024 19:39:08 GMT -5
1. He's been in this position for a couple years.
2. He replaced Mark Koncz that was an advisor for our 2018 draft and advocated for Barkley and was the director for player personnel in 2019 when we took Jones after Koncz advocated for him. Any of you really miss that guy? Not a lot of Jones/Barkley fans around here.
3. The DPP works for the GM, Schoen is the one making the decisions.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 26, 2024 19:44:51 GMT -5
Why would anyone expect the Mara family not to hold positions in the organization. They own half the team, it's their family legacy. I agree to an extent. But although I know nothing about the exact positions family members hold, nor how important they are, there's a problem with accountability. Their record is horrible since 2011, 12 years. Since TC ran the team. No one from the family will ever be fired, and the professionals from outside the family are probably scared or cautious of the nepo peeps. It really explains a lot of the failures over the past decade. They go through coaches, GMs and players, but repeat the insanity. Because this is not an organization that needs to win to many more money year after year. It's just a self sustaing money machine, regardless of the results. Just MO. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 26, 2024 20:05:30 GMT -5
Oh look another hate the Mara's thread. Honestly a few of you guys need to study the history of the team you root for .
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2024 20:08:13 GMT -5
The lucky sperm club continues to spill over to the front office. But before we get the mop out or for some fans a straw. Most if not all franchises are littered with their rugrats. The Steelers who we share roots with. Have a Rooney as Vice President of Player Personnel. Dallas where not even death has a say..
Takes a back seat to Jerry and his test tube son. Tiny Tim who has rose up the ranks by merely breathing. Has blue blood flowing through his veins.. And a last name that is teflon.. As long as the stadium stands.. so does Mara’s mutant offspring.
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Post by mendy on Feb 26, 2024 20:11:34 GMT -5
Very, VERY disheartening He has been around one of the worst runs of talent harvesting in the NFL over the past decade and yet our CEO decides that he is the best person on the planet to fill that critical role. I am so happy that I walked away from my PSL years ago and haven't paid to see a game since.
Schoen is royally screwed. Honest question, if you seriously feel that way why not just go root for another team and save yourself the headache. Not telling anyone to leave but if it cause's you that must grief then why put yourself through it? Hate Jones ,Hate Barkley, Hate Daboll ,Hare Schoen, Hate anything Mara , why? |
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Post by wtfjjk on Feb 26, 2024 20:14:43 GMT -5
This is what we all expected. I'm not even mad anymore.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 26, 2024 20:23:24 GMT -5
I agree to an extent. But although I know nothing about the exact positions family members hold, nor how important they are, there's a problem with accountability. Their record is horrible since 2011, 12 years. Since TC ran the team. No one from the family will ever be fired, and the professionals from outside the family are probably scared or cautious of the nepo peeps. It really explains a lot of the failures over the past decade. They go through coaches, GMs and players, but repeat the insanity. Because this is not an organization that needs to win to many more money year after year. It's just a self sustaing money machine, regardless of the results. Just MO. I personally think its just a scape goat and excuse by pissed off fans that lash out at everything cause we've been so bad for so long. Do other teams not have family members involved?
More importantly who held the, apparently, extremely important position of VP of Player Evaluation back when we were good...like 2007 ish. Oh it was Chris Mara. Dave Gettleman was the director of pro personnel. Well that can't be, he's clearly a moron.
Truth is we have sucked for a long time and so we are searching like the damn terminator to find the reason why, but there is no one reason why. It's a combo of many reasons. And many reasons we want to blame probably have nothing to do with it. Like Chris Mara having a job here.
I don't think for a second there's a single Mara that is ok losing though. I certainly don't think John Mara, who's very own legacy is on the line, would trade losing to give his family a job that can make them lose. A job with a fancy title that doesn't really effect things? Sure. A crucial piece of the franchise to Fredo? Hell no.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 26, 2024 20:49:15 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all. He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners. Get your tinfoil hats off. I think the beef has more to do with the nepotism that the Giants have within the organization. How do we know if the person is actually fully qualified for his job and/or isn't influencing decisions made my the GM. These are valid questions IMO. Then we can all have beef with every family owned team in the league. Family members sit in prominent positions across them. And I'm not going to assume nepotism until it comes out often that's the case. The most deep dive report on the Giants org by the Athletic before Dabs and Schoen were hired didn't even come close to saying that's nepotism was rampant. People talk to the media all the time about this stuff. In the aforementioned report nor any other time has there ever been a whiff of "Tim McDonnell is a moron and not qualified for his job. Any director of player personnel will affect decisions of a GM, they are one of the top lieutenants in the FO. Brandon Brown is affecting them too. One thing I'll say about McDonnell that I did not like was how he looked in the Flores situation. That I shook my head over. |
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Post by jaymas on Feb 26, 2024 20:51:45 GMT -5
Omg people. This dude has been in this role for years. It's not new at all. He also didn't hire the coach. The interviews were the owners and Schoen. GM hire was the owners. Get your tinfoil hats off. so he has always been the most qualified person for the job? No clue, it's not like you could answer if he is qualified. His resume has Notre Dame and NFL experience all of which seemed to be in player evaluation of some sort...so yeah he could very well be qualified for the job. |
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Post by Speedman on Feb 26, 2024 20:52:10 GMT -5
How old is this news?
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