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Post by Nite on Mar 16, 2024 10:10:57 GMT -5
I'll give it a solid B. Addressed major problems we had potentially getting a starter or two. Thus putting less pressure on the draft. Good OL depth and a starter, good EDGE guy, A Wr and a good blocking TE.. Not too shabby. As to actual performance we shall see
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Post by McCherry on Mar 16, 2024 10:49:59 GMT -5
Incomplete.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 16, 2024 10:53:46 GMT -5
I agree, If were counting Burns in as a FA he is a damn good player and will help our pass rush big time. Both edge guys get 8-10 sacks each this year.
I hope Runyon jr is a solid Guard for us. He seemed to be for G.B. Elemore at RT is at the very least depth and also is Plan B if Neal goes to guard. I do like the OL signings. We could still pick up OL help in the draft, June 1st cuts, late cuts in pre season.
Seems like we got 3 starters to me. All improvements from what we had. Edge, G, RT.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 16, 2024 10:54:04 GMT -5
Knock the draft out of the park.. And it might get a spot on the refrigerator..
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 16, 2024 10:58:07 GMT -5
Give it a B on paper.
Burns and the new oline pickups need to be a pretty large improvement from last year for that to turn into an A.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 11:56:12 GMT -5
we did ok, given all the variables.
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 16, 2024 14:45:32 GMT -5
Good B, not breaking the bank, filled some holes and one bonafide edge rusher which makes our DL much more stout and competitive definetly something to look forward to this season.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 16, 2024 15:18:58 GMT -5
We swapped 2 players $$ at RB and S for a stud pass rusher. Good idea on paper. Filled in with so so players at RB, TE, OL and S I like loading several OL players. Hopefully one or two emerge as a quality starter. QB seems like a decent value and someone who can push Jones. I think that means a QB pick in round 1 is off the table.
We filled our needs on paper but other than the DL, no one to get excited over.
I'll reserve judgement.
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Post by Nite on Mar 16, 2024 15:23:17 GMT -5
We swapped 2 players $$ at RB and S for a stud pass rusher. Good idea on paper. Filled in with so so players at RB, TE, OL and S I like loading several OL players. Hopefully one or two emerge as a quality starter. QB seems like a decent value and someone who can push Jones. I think that means a QB pick in round 1 is off the table. We filled our needs on paper but other than the DL, no one to get excited over. I'll reserve judgement. Until they actually are playing everything is judged on paper, including the draft
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 16, 2024 16:19:16 GMT -5
It looks like we are drafting a QB if possible when you look at the FA signings!
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Post by 3days on Mar 16, 2024 17:21:14 GMT -5
If we have an avg. to above avg. O-line I give it a b+ if not F
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Post by vinnie on Mar 16, 2024 17:29:31 GMT -5
Meh, gave it a B only for the Burns signing. So far Schoen gets a solid F when it comes to the O line so until these new guys show that they’re a significant improvement over the worst O line in the league last year (shouldn’t be hard to do but we’ve been saying that for years) then I’m not excited about any of the signings other than Burns.
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Post by NYxCrunch53 on Mar 16, 2024 17:30:54 GMT -5
I believe we are a better team after FA signings. Hit the draft out of the park and we're back in business...
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Mar 16, 2024 18:15:28 GMT -5
I'm not totally sure.I give it a Meh. It seems they overpaid for Runyan, I was listening to a Packers podcast recently and they had him valued at around 5 mil on the high end yearly. Hopefully he plays up to the contract. The Giants are in the position of having to overpay guys because they're so deficient of good players.
The kid from the Raiders seems decent and happy to be here. Is he moving Evan Neal out of the RT spot?
Burns is the jewel of it. I'm not as excited about the DL as some other fans though, Burns disappeared a lot for Carolina and Kayvon is absent a lot as well. I still think this is a 5-7 win team. Schoen needs to have a monster draft and get at least three starters out of it.
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Post by lt56 on Mar 16, 2024 18:33:09 GMT -5
B is fair
OK wanted Robert Hunt and/or Mike Onwenu, we did not land either but they did address the Offensive Line with Runyan and Eluemunor. Coach Bricillo familiar with Eluemunor since they was together with the Patriots then the Raiders of course and with Runyan, the more video I see the more I'm OK with that signing, good Pass Blocking Guard with good Feet
Burns trade is the big move though obviously, getting a 25 year old Prime 2x Pro Bowl Edge for a 2nd is a good deal, let Andre Patterson coach Burns up (Not the new OLB Coach) like he did Danielle Hunter in Minnesota and he will only get better
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Post by miggs on Mar 16, 2024 22:13:07 GMT -5
Shouldn't grade free agents until game time as Giants didn't pick up many really good players. Voting here reflects that. Hope Burns is as good as most posters think he is. Not good that Huff who signed for much less is a better pass rusher.
I'm just hoping that new OL coach and DC make a difference. I don't like relying on that for a team's improvement.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2024 22:26:31 GMT -5
Shouldn't grade free agents until game time as Giants didn't pick up many really good players. Voting here reflects that. Hope Burns is as good as most posters think he is. Not good that Huff who signed for much less is a better pass rusher. I'm just hoping that new OL coach and DC make a difference. I don't like relying on that for a team's improvement. 17.5 sacks over 4 years is a much better pass rusher . . . but don’t grade free agents, just talk bs what a 🤡 you are haha.
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Post by Modog on Mar 16, 2024 22:31:21 GMT -5
Hard to grade.. On offense, sure we got new Olinemen but who's to say how they will do? Will the Oline be better? We let our biggest weapon and face of the offense go to a hated rival... now Dan Jones is the face of the offense. Yuck.
But on D aleast we picked up a nice player, yeah we may have overpayed, but that's FA for you.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 17, 2024 1:58:11 GMT -5
When you look at the list of guys we lost...SB, X, Robinson, Jackson, Taylor, and to a certain extent, Leo...did the roster improve?
Compare that list to what was added, and I think it's safe to say, this roster is worse than the day before the Leo trade.
Burns is a great player, but he wasn't cheap. OLine should be better...but still lots of questions. Everything else is a downgrade (RB and backup QB).
It's incomplete, but the draft won't fill all the holes. I'll wait to give a grade until these guys play real games, but I have a hard time seeing this being a better team, than last year, in September.
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 4:58:04 GMT -5
Shouldn't grade free agents until game time as Giants didn't pick up many really good players. Voting here reflects that. Hope Burns is as good as most posters think he is. Not good that Huff who signed for much less is a better pass rusher. I'm just hoping that new OL coach and DC make a difference. I don't like relying on that for a team's improvement. 17.5 sacks over 4 years is a much better pass rusher . . . but don’t grade free agents, just talk bs what a 🤡 you are haha. I guess you like paying more money for Burns who had a 73 PDF than you do Huff who had a 79 PDF.
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 5:10:49 GMT -5
When you look at the list of guys we lost...SB, X, Robinson, Jackson, Taylor, and to a certain extent, Leo...did the roster improve? Compare that list to what was added, and I think it's safe to say, this roster is worse than the day before the Leo trade. Burns is a great player, but he wasn't cheap. OLine should be better...but still lots of questions. Everything else is a downgrade (RB and backup QB). It's incomplete, but the draft won't fill all the holes. I'll wait to give a grade until these guys play real games, but I have a hard time seeing this being a better team, than last year, in September. Giants should be better with a healthy Jones at QB. plus addition addition of new players and new coaches. Realize most fans here don't see it that way.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 5:11:25 GMT -5
17.5 sacks over 4 years is a much better pass rusher . . . but don’t grade free agents, just talk bs what a 🤡 you are haha. I guess you like paying more money for Burns who had a 73 PDF than you do Huff who had a 79 PDF. Can’t spell analyst without anal. What a clown 🤡 lol . Learn the game
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Post by inthezone on Mar 17, 2024 6:02:21 GMT -5
When you look at the list of guys we lost...SB, X, Robinson, Jackson, Taylor, and to a certain extent, Leo...did the roster improve? Compare that list to what was added, and I think it's safe to say, this roster is worse than the day before the Leo trade. Burns is a great player, but he wasn't cheap. OLine should be better...but still lots of questions. Everything else is a downgrade (RB and backup QB). It's incomplete, but the draft won't fill all the holes. I'll wait to give a grade until these guys play real games, but I have a hard time seeing this being a better team, than last year, in September. I think the team is better now. Still need a CB2 and maybe a high drafted safety to replace what left but better pass rush and blocking has improved a lot.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 17, 2024 6:35:23 GMT -5
Hard to grade.. On offense, sure we got new Olinemen but who's to say how they will do? Will the Oline be better? We let our biggest weapon and face of the offense go to a hated rival... now Dan Jones is the face of the offense. Yuck. But on D aleast we picked up a nice player, yeah we may have overpayed, but that's FA for you. we traded for Burns, he wasn't FA, which is favorable to the draft compensation calculations, being nit-picky, I know....
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Post by te88 on Mar 17, 2024 6:59:27 GMT -5
He didn’t pay the RB and S. that alone is good.
Burns is a huge get.
Singletary is a very good replacement.
Hopefully the OL pieces turn out.
I think it was the FA they needed to have.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 8:07:29 GMT -5
The pass rush as a whole should be better and the OL as a whole might be competent.
Signs of stability yet a lot of big Questions.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 17, 2024 8:21:25 GMT -5
We’re fans so these discussions should be expected. But it’s all just useless on paper speculation.
I like the off-season because of the strategic direction.
Everyone is asking what we’re doing at QB, and how do you keep your best player (SB)? JS shifts cap space from RB and S to the lines, which is pretty fundamental stuff we’ve been missing.
Focuses on depth, versatility, and durability on the o line (and that’s downplaying the fact that in an open competition Runyon JR and Eluemenor would have been immediate starters on our line last year, and bigger than meh upgrades).
I even like a consistent performer in Singletary who has a great pass pro reputation and familiarity with our system.
Really the biggest change we’re not focusing on is Brascillo. If Dabs and JS are right, and we had a coaching issue, we should see a more dramatic affect on the line than the FAs provide. If they’re wrong they may still be better on the line if they can stay healthy. But if we’re calling Pugh again because everyone’s hurt, we’re screwed
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 17, 2024 8:43:01 GMT -5
We’re fans so these discussions should be expected. But it’s all just useless on paper speculation. I like the off-season because of the strategic direction. Everyone is asking what we’re doing at QB, and how do you keep your best player (SB)? JS shifts cap space from RB and S to the lines, which is pretty fundamental stuff we’ve been missing. Focuses on depth, versatility, and durability on the o line (and that’s downplaying the fact that in an open competition Runyon JR and Eluemenor would have been immediate starters on our line last year, and bigger than meh upgrades). I even like a consistent performer in Singletary who has a great pass pro reputation and familiarity with our system. Really the biggest change we’re not focusing on is Brascillo. If Dabs and JS are right, and we had a coaching issue, we should see a more dramatic affect on the line than the FAs provide. If they’re wrong they may still be better on the line if they can stay healthy. But if we’re calling Pugh again because everyone’s hurt, we’re screwed When is Joe Schoen going to get actual talent needed to compete? It's great his accounting skills are staying sharp but his talent evaluation skills are suspect so far. Our highest paid players are DGs picks or some other teams drafts picks that is not sustainable. Hoping his year one picks will start making more impact this year or can stay healthy.
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Post by Nite on Mar 17, 2024 9:39:08 GMT -5
It looks like we are drafting a QB if possible when you look at the FA signings! Hopefully
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 17, 2024 9:55:16 GMT -5
We’re fans so these discussions should be expected. But it’s all just useless on paper speculation. I like the off-season because of the strategic direction. Everyone is asking what we’re doing at QB, and how do you keep your best player (SB)? JS shifts cap space from RB and S to the lines, which is pretty fundamental stuff we’ve been missing. Focuses on depth, versatility, and durability on the o line (and that’s downplaying the fact that in an open competition Runyon JR and Eluemenor would have been immediate starters on our line last year, and bigger than meh upgrades). I even like a consistent performer in Singletary who has a great pass pro reputation and familiarity with our system. Really the biggest change we’re not focusing on is Brascillo. If Dabs and JS are right, and we had a coaching issue, we should see a more dramatic affect on the line than the FAs provide. If they’re wrong they may still be better on the line if they can stay healthy. But if we’re calling Pugh again because everyone’s hurt, we’re screwed When is Joe Schoen going to get actual talent needed to compete? It's great his accounting skills are staying sharp but his talent evaluation skills are suspect so far. Our highest paid players are DGs picks or some other teams drafts picks that is not sustainable. Hoping his year one picks will start making more impact this year or can stay healthy. To be fair our highest paid players should be other peoples draft picks because JS hasn’t been here long to resign his own. I get the impatience, we all feel it, but is there a misconception that JS has been here 4-5 years? He’s had two draft classes. It’s not that he shouldn’t be held accountable but what is a reasonable expectation of a rookie class of rds 3-7, and 2nd year players in rounds 3-7? What are “good” GMs getting out of that? What have the Eagles got out of their draft class the last two years relative to ours? Thibs Neal Banks JMS Robinson are his 1st and 2nd rs picks so far. Neal seems like a bust. Thibs looks like a threat off the edge, Banks had a great rookie year at a position players usually don’t have a great rookie year, JMS struggled in his rookie year. And most fans are excited about getting Robinson the ball more. Realistically what should that look like? All hits? All hits except one miss? What’s the clear standard JS isn’t living up to? Or are we just sick of sucking and pointing at live targets to blame? There’s things to criticize JS on, it’s not hard. But saying our 2-year GM is paying other peoples draft picks more than his own seems like what he should be doing.
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