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Post by IrishMike on Mar 17, 2024 10:55:30 GMT -5
I went with a B. The Burns deal was a trade so I'm not counting that in free agency. Signed two starting OL, one that I had rated pretty high and the other with position versatility. Signed Drew Lock which I think was the best QB move we could make. The rest of the moves are depth signings and a blocking TE. The people we brought in are pretty solid, considering our low cap space.
I factor in letting Barkley walk though, which is a big risk.
Overall I think the signings we made sets up our draft really well.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 17, 2024 13:44:37 GMT -5
When is Joe Schoen going to get actual talent needed to compete? It's great his accounting skills are staying sharp but his talent evaluation skills are suspect so far. Our highest paid players are DGs picks or some other teams drafts picks that is not sustainable. Hoping his year one picks will start making more impact this year or can stay healthy. To be fair our highest paid players should be other peoples draft picks because JS hasn’t been here long to resign his own. I get the impatience, we all feel it, but is there a misconception that JS has been here 4-5 years? He’s had two draft classes. It’s not that he shouldn’t be held accountable but what is a reasonable expectation of a rookie class of rds 3-7, and 2nd year players in rounds 3-7? What are “good” GMs getting out of that? What have the Eagles got out of their draft class the last two years relative to ours? Thibs Neal Banks JMS Robinson are his 1st and 2nd rs picks so far. Neal seems like a bust. Thibs looks like a threat off the edge, Banks had a great rookie year at a position players usually don’t have a great rookie year, JMS struggled in his rookie year. And most fans are excited about getting Robinson the ball more. Realistically what should that look like? All hits? All hits except one miss? What’s the clear standard JS isn’t living up to? Or are we just sick of sucking and pointing at live targets to blame? There’s things to criticize JS on, it’s not hard. But saying our 2-year GM is paying other peoples draft picks more than his own seems like what he should be doing. My point is as a talent evaluator he is not doing so hot. If his drafts picks don't pan out he can't keep signing free agents. Even them some of the contracts he has given out might not work out like Waller and DJ. He still has a way to go to be a good GM. It is the 3rd year of his first draft this is the year they should be breaking out. We are just on opposite sides of the same coin. I hear your viewpoint but don't understand the optimism but I do agree we need patience. I still have 2025 season for us to be repeat playoff team and replace either the eagles or Cowboys at the top of the NFC East. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 17, 2024 15:03:31 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft.
We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 17, 2024 21:48:49 GMT -5
We’re fans so these discussions should be expected. But it’s all just useless on paper speculation. I like the off-season because of the strategic direction. Everyone is asking what we’re doing at QB, and how do you keep your best player (SB)? JS shifts cap space from RB and S to the lines, which is pretty fundamental stuff we’ve been missing.Focuses on depth, versatility, and durability on the o line (and that’s downplaying the fact that in an open competition Runyon JR and Eluemenor would have been immediate starters on our line last year, and bigger than meh upgrades). I even like a consistent performer in Singletary who has a great pass pro reputation and familiarity with our system. Really the biggest change we’re not focusing on is Brascillo. If Dabs and JS are right, and we had a coaching issue, we should see a more dramatic affect on the line than the FAs provide. If they’re wrong they may still be better on the line if they can stay healthy. But if we’re calling Pugh again because everyone’s hurt, we’re screwed Once again, ignoring the elephant in the room, to defend your guy. Schoen didn't move cap space from RB and S to the lines, he moved cap space to a bad QB and away from RB and S. If Schoen had $47 million more to spend, he could've signed SB, X, and Onwenu...and still have made the moves he made. Also, while the OLine should be better (could it be worse?), it isn't deeper than it was. Euzudu is still the swing guard, and Neal is still starting at RT...and if the "versatility" moves to RT, Neal or Euzudu will start at guard. Not to mention, JMS is no sure thing. The recipe for disaster is still there...and there is no quality depth. There's no DT depth at all, safety and CB are worse, RB is worse, the TE might retire, and the Giants will have a terrible QB room (and hopefully a rookie). Unless Schoen drafts the next Jamar Chase, DJ plays like he never has before, Dex can play every snap, and the pass rush can make up for the secondary...this team is going to be REALLY bad. This was a terrible offense in 2023, and it will take a miracle for it to get better. |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 8:30:35 GMT -5
To be fair our highest paid players should be other peoples draft picks because JS hasn’t been here long to resign his own. I get the impatience, we all feel it, but is there a misconception that JS has been here 4-5 years? He’s had two draft classes. It’s not that he shouldn’t be held accountable but what is a reasonable expectation of a rookie class of rds 3-7, and 2nd year players in rounds 3-7? What are “good” GMs getting out of that? What have the Eagles got out of their draft class the last two years relative to ours? Thibs Neal Banks JMS Robinson are his 1st and 2nd rs picks so far. Neal seems like a bust. Thibs looks like a threat off the edge, Banks had a great rookie year at a position players usually don’t have a great rookie year, JMS struggled in his rookie year. And most fans are excited about getting Robinson the ball more. Realistically what should that look like? All hits? All hits except one miss? What’s the clear standard JS isn’t living up to? Or are we just sick of sucking and pointing at live targets to blame? There’s things to criticize JS on, it’s not hard. But saying our 2-year GM is paying other peoples draft picks more than his own seems like what he should be doing. My point is as a talent evaluator he is not doing so hot. If his drafts picks don't pan out he can't keep signing free agents. Even them some of the contracts he has given out might not work out like Waller and DJ. He still has a way to go to be a good GM. It is the 3rd year of his first draft this is the year they should be breaking out. We are just on opposite sides of the same coin. I hear your viewpoint but don't understand the optimism but I do agree we need patience. I still have 2025 season for us to be repeat playoff team and replace either the eagles or Cowboys at the top of the NFC East. I agree that you can’t build a team in FA. You have to draft well. But part of my earlier point is how do you determine if someone is drafting well? It can’t be arbitrary, it has to be relative to what’s considered good drafting. It’s why I like looking at the first couple rounds. GMs HAVE TO hit on later round players too (McFadden). But it’s usually harder for them to get playing time early and they usually need time to develop skills that led to their later selection. Howie Roseman is usually considered one of the better GMs in the NFL. Here’s his last two drafts 1st and 2nd rd picks: Jordan Davis, Cameron Jurgens, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen. So from that list Jalen Carter looks legit. Developing faster than Thibs. Steen is also getting props from Kelce. Juergen is well thought of but ended up on the IR at the beginning of Oct. So let’s call both of them question marks with upside (JMS like). Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith look like straight up busts. In fact Davis’ struggles is what partially led the Eagles to go interior D-line two years in a row with their 1st pick. So of Roseman’s picks: 1 looks legit, 2 have upside, and two look like backups at best (Davis may be worse than that). Roseman is considered a very good GM. Is that better or worse than JS? Please don’t interpret my response as “we have a winner in JS”. He can be criticized for seeing 23’ as a “consecutive rebuild” instead of a rebuild. He can be criticized for the DJ contract, he can be criticized for ultimately prioritizing DJ over SB. He can be criticized for giving Dabs a shot at HC knowing he has some intensity issues that get in the way of him functioning as a growth oriented HC. But I think some fans disgust with the DJ contract turns into looking at all his decisions in an unrealistic light. He’s probably not drafting better than good GMs, but I’m not seeing his drafts as being worse either. The issue is we suck. So when the Eagles draft one starter out of 5 picks in 2 years no one notices. When we don’t immediately improve after a draft it looks like something is wrong. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 18, 2024 8:37:39 GMT -5
I’m not sure about these signings.
Burns is the most explosive edge they’ve had in 10 years. So, he’s a good player. But, they gave up a high pick and a lot of $ to get him. For that haul…you could’ve had a legit starting olineman and draft a QB or solid olineman, or solid WR. Will he be more productive than those 2 players they could’ve had? It remains to be seen.
I just don’t see a huge improvement to the Oline with the 2 guys they brought in.
And everyone else is just a roll player that may not even make the team.
And we are worse at RB.
Schoen is gonna need to nail this draft.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 8:39:10 GMT -5
He didn’t pay the RB and S. that alone is good. Burns is a huge get. Singletary is a very good replacement. Hopefully the OL pieces turn out. I think it was the FA they needed to have. If you gave me the choice of keeping Leo and X or acquiring Burns, I’ll take Burns with our new DC. Still a reduction in talent but Burns can rush and set the edge. I’ll take that. Regardless JS’ survival is based on the o line. I may be in the minority but if he solves the online issue and has DJ/Lock as starting QBs, I think he can get extended. If he drafts a franchise QB this year and the o line still sucks in 25’, he’s cooked. His theory on the o line has to be right or I don’t know how he makes it to 26’. |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 8:47:45 GMT -5
I’m not sure about these signings. Burns is the most explosive edge they’ve had in 10 years. So, he’s a good player. But, they gave up a high pick and a lot of $ to get him. For that haul…you could’ve had a legit starting olineman and draft a QB or solid olineman, or solid WR. Will he be more productive than those 2 players they could’ve had? It remains to be seen. I just don’t see a huge improvement to the Oline with the 2 guys they brought in. And everyone else is just a roll player that may not even make the team. And we are worse at RB. Schoen is gonna need to nail this draft. It’s all about the o line. If I could draft Burns with an early 2, theoretically using the 5 we gave up to move up to the early 2, that’s a home run pick. You don’t expect Burns’ talent in the 2nd. You expect it in the early 1st. You’re bang on about the o line. It’s the hill JS is going to die on. I don’t really care what he’s doing to the line. Get Hunt don’t get Hunt. Draft Alt, don’t draft Alt. Sign Runyon/Eluemenor or don’t. The line needs to be fixed. Within reason, how it’s fixed shouldn’t matter. If the line still sucks in 25’ he’ll get fired. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 18, 2024 9:54:47 GMT -5
I’m not sure about these signings. Burns is the most explosive edge they’ve had in 10 years. So, he’s a good player. But, they gave up a high pick and a lot of $ to get him. For that haul…you could’ve had a legit starting olineman and draft a QB or solid olineman, or solid WR. Will he be more productive than those 2 players they could’ve had? It remains to be seen. I just don’t see a huge improvement to the Oline with the 2 guys they brought in. And everyone else is just a roll player that may not even make the team. And we are worse at RB. Schoen is gonna need to nail this draft. It’s all about the o line. If I could draft Burns with an early 2, theoretically using the 5 we gave up to move up to the early 2, that’s a home run pick. You don’t expect Burns’ talent in the 2nd. You expect it in the early 1st. You’re bang on about the o line. It’s the hill JS is going to die on. I don’t really care what he’s doing to the line. Get Hunt don’t get Hunt. Draft Alt, don’t draft Alt. Sign Runyon/Eluemenor or don’t. The line needs to be fixed. Within reason, how it’s fixed shouldn’t matter. If the line still sucks in 25’ he’ll get fired. Yeah…the oline is really what I’m looking for. If it’s competent this season…I’ll have some faith in Schoen. If it’s not much improved…Schoen just may not be very good. |
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Post by Jomo on Mar 18, 2024 10:05:17 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft. We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........ One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! |
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 18, 2024 10:08:43 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft. We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........ One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! I'd be happy to beat BAD teams!  |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 18, 2024 10:10:30 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft. We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........ One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! It’s possible because that’s what’s happening…haha It’s very concerning. |
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Post by Jomo on Mar 18, 2024 10:10:41 GMT -5
One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! I'd be happy to beat BAD teams! Haha, I get the joke but in truth we've beaten bad teams the past 2 years. So, in conclusion, until we don't suck, we suck! |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 10:10:50 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft. We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........ One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! Well said. They tried a constructive rebuild and it was the wrong choice. It’s funny. If we won 6 games in 22’ and 9 with a playoff win in 23’ we’d be talking about being on the right track. Now with those outcomes reversed it feels very different and a lot more unstable. Shows the power of “recency”. What happens recently is the most important thing that’s happened. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 18, 2024 13:24:42 GMT -5
incomplete and I really don't care to grade shit we do until we prove we can do something with the moves me make yearly in FA and the draft. We don't deserve to even be paper champions or have a grade of a B on paper right now lmfao........ One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! lol I guess with our Giants we are making the impossible seem possible smmfh......... I didn't always think that way but as of recent and especially since the shit I seen last year yes I've adapted the " We suck until we don't " and that's all that matters with me is " Show it " dammit............. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 18, 2024 13:27:15 GMT -5
I'd be happy to beat BAD teams! Haha, I get the joke but in truth we've beaten bad teams the past 2 years. So, in conclusion, until we don't suck, we suck! yup and to be fair we've also snuck a win on some good ones or definitely should have last year vs the Bills and a few others that we gave away. Imagine that issh for as bad as we were we had the Bills 6-0 going into half and if not for the TT debacle it would've been 9-0 and we likely win that game the way we were playing. We still had a chance in the 2nd half too........... |
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Post by Nite on Mar 18, 2024 14:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Mar 18, 2024 14:56:33 GMT -5
One of us here coined the phrase last year or the year before......... "Until we don't suck, we suck!" Nothing matters until we start beating good teams. It feels like we gone from year 1 of a 3 year rebuild to year 1 of a 5 year rebuild. Is that possible?! I'd be happy to beat BAD teams! We did last year. The only bad team we lost to were the Jets. And it took multiple forces of nature for us to blow that game. |
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