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Post by Morehead State on Mar 22, 2024 14:43:57 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6.
MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6.
We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently.
But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 23, 2024 14:02:48 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. Bills drafted “4th best qb prospect” in ‘18 and ravens drafted 5th best QB prospect; both in first round. Which, has absolutely no predictive bearing on our situation. However, just because most of the public thinks jj is 4th best, doesnt mean Schoen thinks that. Also, if he performs at a high level, then he will have been worth the pick. |
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Post by Modog on Mar 23, 2024 16:05:25 GMT -5
Vikings can move on from Kirk Cousins and trade draft capital to move up to grab a QB. But we are sticking with the mistake known as Dan Jones for year 6.
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Post by TEM on Mar 23, 2024 16:11:05 GMT -5
We are getting A WR.
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Post by Speedman on Mar 23, 2024 18:39:26 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. Bills drafted “4th best qb prospect” in ‘18 and ravens drafted 5th best QB prospect; both in first round. Which, has absolutely no predictive bearing on our situation. However, just because most of the public thinks jj is 4th best, doesnt mean Schoen thinks that. Also, if he performs at a high level, then he will have been worth the pick. Maybe because the first 3 QB’s taken were mistakes. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 23, 2024 22:09:56 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. 😂 I predict you’re gonna look like a nincompoop in less than 2 years with that space cadet comment. I love it! 😊 |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 23, 2024 22:16:43 GMT -5
Vikings can move on from Kirk Cousins and trade draft capital to move up to grab a QB. But we are sticking with the mistake known as Dan Jones for year 6. Some Giants fans continue to struggle with Jones being an inept failure behind center. It’s become somewhere between comical and sad. I actually come here to find the silly comments about the QB position. They’re not hard to find. Think of it as entertainment otherwise the close minded tunnel vision could eat at you. JJ McCarthy will be one of the best 2 QB’s coming out of this draft within 2 years. Bank it. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 24, 2024 9:33:55 GMT -5
Teams picking above would rather trade with us getting a 6 pick and a higher percentage to get their guy vs going down further...not very often does a Marvin Harrison Jr. come along so I'm believing the Cards and Chargers would want to stay in his striking range, and of course their number 1 OT range as well.
If the Giants want JJ McCarthy they can get him at 4 without giving up too much being at 6...and while that is a IMHO, I strongly believe that's what their preferred option is entering the draft.
Will they have a dance partner being the only question with plan A.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 24, 2024 10:47:03 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. 😂 I predict you’re gonna look like a nincompoop in less than 2 years with that space cadet comment. I love it! 😊 J J McCarthy is just a guy. He's an ordinary QB with ordinary ability. Maybe he can be a solid NFL starter. But that's not worth the 6th pick in the draft..Now, maybe you can win with a guy like that but to blow a pick where you can get a top WR seems a complete waste of a pick. |
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Post by 3days on Mar 24, 2024 11:17:53 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. I think what makes this QB draft special is the depth, but none of them seem like a must get. I would be OK, I guess, with JJ at 6, but worry we are giving up to much to move to 4 to get him. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 24, 2024 11:20:57 GMT -5
Looking at this WR group, if you have a good QB you can make any of them look good.
Who will look better next year?
Nabers with Jones or Corley with Mahomes?
Better yet, how about Hebert with about 8 of these wide receivers vs Jones with a better WR?
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Post by dream8 on Mar 24, 2024 14:17:07 GMT -5
We'll see what other rumors come out from now up until the draft, but as of right now I feel there's a 75-80% chance that one of Nabers or Odunze will be a Giant.
Whether they'll live up to their pedigree with someone like Jones under center is very questionable. Both of those guys are great at creating big plays vertically down the field, while Jones is uncapable of challenging defenses vertically and processes far too slowly to throw with good anticipation down the field. Definitely possible that their potential wouldn't be realized here with Jones under center.
However, I can't fault Schoen or Daboll for choosing this course if they don't believe JJ is a Franchise caliber QB. Really tricky spot, and I don't envy their position having to make this decision one bit.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 24, 2024 17:58:15 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. Bills drafted “4th best qb prospect” in ‘18 and ravens drafted 5th best QB prospect; both in first round. Which, has absolutely no predictive bearing on our situation. However, just because most of the public thinks jj is 4th best, doesnt mean Schoen thinks that. Also, if he performs at a high level, then he will have been worth the pick. Beane was the GM of the Bills when Allen was drafted, and Schoen was the Assistant GM - that doesn't give me much to go on, but the Bills saw Allen as "the guy" when every expert questioned that, or at least had 2 or 3 guys ranked higher. If Schoen says __________ is the man, I'm going to have a bit more faith than I normally would, just based on that. And if he says there is no man to be had, I'll roll with that. But overall, I have little faith that anyone can identify the best QB prospect. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 24, 2024 18:09:01 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. We got the 2nd best QB from the 2019 draft, so how bout that? While I'm OK with JJ, Nabers or Odunze would look reeeeeeeeal nice in blue. I'd be OK with rolling with lock, drafting the top WR, and selling the farm in 2025 for the top QB |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 24, 2024 23:47:37 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. We got the 2nd best QB from the 2019 draft, so how bout that? While I'm OK with JJ, Nabers or Odunze would look reeeeeeeeal nice in blue. I'd be OK with rolling with lock, drafting the top WR, and selling the farm in 2025 for the top QB I think with Odunze or Nabors and Lock at QB we should at least be a 9 win team. And I don't think Lock is very good. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 25, 2024 14:42:45 GMT -5
......and draft JJ McCarthy. For us to pick the 4th best QB prospect in the draft with the 6th pick would be insanity. We have a chance to draft a "Jamar-Chase-like" WR at #6. MHJ,..... Nabers, ......Odunze........ One or two will be waiting for us to pick at #6. We DO need a QB, but not at that price with the value we'd see at #6. Maybe you can do something to move back into the 1st and draft a QB. Maybe you can get a QB next year in free agency. Maybe you can have (gulp) Danny Jones find a way to actually play better than he has his first 5 seasons. (OK...that's a bad option). Maybe Drew Lock can "manage" the offense efficiently. But don't draft a mediocre QB prospect with a premium pick. Are you listening Joe?.....Brian? PLEASE do the right thing here. Dont get lost in the buzz, JJ McCarthy is a top 3 QB prospect in any class, this class being phenomenal. He's QB #1 in 2025. For relativity. How do you plan on getting the #1 pick? or are we punting to 26' for the QB position where we have to mortgage 3 first round picks to get a guy whos projection is no different than McCarthy's is right now? If the goal is winning championships, you have to have some balls, take a talented QB with an excellent mindset to became something great. Drafting a fantastic WR, who'll be merely running for good cardio, for 3/5 of his rookie years seems illogical. No? IF the goal is winning championships rather than maybe making the playoffs |
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Post by giantsfanjames on Mar 25, 2024 14:57:58 GMT -5
We got the 2nd best QB from the 2019 draft, so how bout that? While I'm OK with JJ, Nabers or Odunze would look reeeeeeeeal nice in blue. I'd be OK with rolling with lock, drafting the top WR, and selling the farm in 2025 for the top QB I think with Odunze or Nabors and Lock at QB we should at least be a 9 win team. And I don't think Lock is very good. I'm thinking 8 +. Some may think thats a good thing not me we would be like the Fassel years. No chance to get a good QB in the draft without getting super luckey. We will need to sign a Kirk Cousins type QB how often has that worked out for teams. What made the Giants Champions was once they were bad enough EA did what it took to get the QB he wanted and thanks to that we got 2 more trophies. I hope Joe will do the same. He was handed a star left tackle a star D lineman and a tone of good draft picks and we going into year 3 under his watch and still no QB how long we going to give him. Now if he dont like one that left over then you pass but if you like him do whatever it takes to get him. Its what worked for us before and if it's not broken dont fix what worked. I like to live my life like that. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2024 17:52:03 GMT -5
I hope we trade up to 4 and take JJ and then spend any remaining picks on other QBs. It's the most important position in football and we should stock up on them. Jones is terrible and Schoen knows it. He gave him that huge contract last year as a trick so people wouldn't suspect us going to get JJ this year. Slick move by our GM.
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Post by Turbo on Mar 27, 2024 0:20:14 GMT -5
Vikings can move on from Kirk Cousins and trade draft capital to move up to grab a QB. But we are sticking with the mistake known as Dan Jones for year 6. Some Giants fans continue to struggle with Jones being an inept failure behind center. It’s become somewhere between comical and sad. I actually come here to find the silly comments about the QB position. They’re not hard to find. Think of it as entertainment otherwise the close minded tunnel vision could eat at you. JJ McCarthy will be one of the best 2 QB’s coming out of this draft within 2 years. Bank it. That doesn't mean much if he and the others are garbage. I'd wager that of the first five QBs taken no more than two will get a second contract with the team that drafts them. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 30, 2024 9:15:22 GMT -5
Some Giants fans continue to struggle with Jones being an inept failure behind center. It’s become somewhere between comical and sad. I actually come here to find the silly comments about the QB position. They’re not hard to find. Think of it as entertainment otherwise the close minded tunnel vision could eat at you. JJ McCarthy will be one of the best 2 QB’s coming out of this draft within 2 years. Bank it. That doesn't mean much if he and the others are garbage. I'd wager that of the first five QBs taken no more than two will get a second contract with the team that drafts them. That's usually t he way it goes ya |
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Post by te88 on Apr 1, 2024 6:24:03 GMT -5
Bills drafted “4th best qb prospect” in ‘18 and ravens drafted 5th best QB prospect; both in first round. Which, has absolutely no predictive bearing on our situation. However, just because most of the public thinks jj is 4th best, doesnt mean Schoen thinks that. Also, if he performs at a high level, then he will have been worth the pick. Beane was the GM of the Bills when Allen was drafted, and Schoen was the Assistant GM - that doesn't give me much to go on, but the Bills saw Allen as "the guy" when every expert questioned that, or at least had 2 or 3 guys ranked higher. If Schoen says __________ is the man, I'm going to have a bit more faith than I normally would, just based on that. And if he says there is no man to be had, I'll roll with that. But overall, I have little faith that anyone can identify the best QB prospect. Thing is, Allen had raw physical gifts that nobody in this draft class comes close to. Allen was bigger, faster, stronger, tougher and has a cannon arm. More so than anyone in his draft class. And any draft class since. The issue with Allen is that he played at tiny Wyoming and that is always going to work against you. But there was no doubt about the physical talent. If Josh Allen has played in a major conference he would have been the #1 overall pick and teams probably would have traded 3 years worth of picks to get him. He was an extremely rare physical talent. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 1, 2024 11:38:50 GMT -5
QB in 2nd round
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 1, 2024 11:47:29 GMT -5
Unlike Jackson and Allen nothing physically about McCarthy stands out except his resemblance to a late teen boy like Zach Wilson.
All kidding aside, he may be end up a successful QB, but I don't see anything physically that wows me like I do with Williams, Daniels, or even Maye even if some consider Maye a project.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 2, 2024 7:51:46 GMT -5
Unlike Jackson and Allen nothing physically about McCarthy stands out except his resemblance to a late teen boy like Zach Wilson. All kidding aside, he may be end up a successful QB, but I don't see anything physically that wows me like I do with Williams, Daniels, or even Maye even if some consider Maye a project. I respect you have a different opinion than I and respect even more the way you present it. Nothing physically though? Second strongest arm at the combine 61mph on behind Joe Milton at 62mph - JJ beat out Milton by the way at Michigan. 4.48 40 time prior to 2023 season. That’s pretty fast. Did you watch his up the middle dart through Washington’s defense during crunch time? Drake Maye won’t even run a 40 time. Probably because he’s slow - have you seen him run it’s like he has cement cleats on. Caleb Williams 4.57 by the way. Williams is just under 6’1 and weighs 217lbs. Daniels 4.5 6’4 210 lbs McCarthy is 6’3” 215 lbs Maye 6’4 223 not much physical difference there. So physically JJ is right there with the top 3, in fact he has the fastest 40 time - matches up well with the others physically I think with the numbers and he played hockey. How many guys play hockey that aren’t physical? If you don’t like McCarthy’s physically you probably shouldn’t like the others physicality either. I’m fine with posters on this board not wanting JJ we all have preference and opinions but the reasons put forth are “ mostly “ head scratching, like yours for instance. |
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Post by robl on Apr 2, 2024 15:16:05 GMT -5
Unlike Jackson and Allen nothing physically about McCarthy stands out except his resemblance to a late teen boy like Zach Wilson. All kidding aside, he may be end up a successful QB, but I don't see anything physically that wows me like I do with Williams, Daniels, or even Maye even if some consider Maye a project. I respect you have a different opinion than I and respect even more the way you present it. Nothing physically though? Second strongest arm at the combine 61mph on behind Joe Milton at 62mph - JJ beat out Milton by the way at Michigan. 4.48 40 time prior to 2023 season. That’s pretty fast. Did you watch his up the middle dart through Washington’s defense during crunch time? Drake Maye won’t even run a 40 time. Probably because he’s slow - have you seen him run it’s like he has cement cleats on. Caleb Williams 4.57 by the way. Williams is just under 6’1 and weighs 217lbs. Daniels 4.5 6’4 210 lbs McCarthy is 6’3” 215 lbs Maye 6’4 223 not much physical difference there. So physically JJ is right there with the top 3, in fact he has the fastest 40 time - matches up well with the others physically I think with the numbers and he played hockey. How many guys play hockey that aren’t physical? If you don’t like McCarthy’s physically you probably shouldn’t like the others physicality either. I’m fine with posters on this board not wanting JJ we all have preference and opinions but the reasons put forth are “ mostly “ head scratching, like yours for instance. Just curious. What do you think about taking a flyer on Milton in the 4th round assuming we don’t draft someone in the first? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 2, 2024 15:49:22 GMT -5
Unlike Jackson and Allen nothing physically about McCarthy stands out except his resemblance to a late teen boy like Zach Wilson. All kidding aside, he may be end up a successful QB, but I don't see anything physically that wows me like I do with Williams, Daniels, or even Maye even if some consider Maye a project. I respect you have a different opinion than I and respect even more the way you present it. Nothing physically though? Second strongest arm at the combine 61mph on behind Joe Milton at 62mph - JJ beat out Milton by the way at Michigan. 4.48 40 time prior to 2023 season. That’s pretty fast. Did you watch his up the middle dart through Washington’s defense during crunch time? Drake Maye won’t even run a 40 time. Probably because he’s slow - have you seen him run it’s like he has cement cleats on. Caleb Williams 4.57 by the way. Williams is just under 6’1 and weighs 217lbs. Daniels 4.5 6’4 210 lbs McCarthy is 6’3” 215 lbs Maye 6’4 223 not much physical difference there. So physically JJ is right there with the top 3, in fact he has the fastest 40 time - matches up well with the others physically I think with the numbers and he played hockey. How many guys play hockey that aren’t physical? If you don’t like McCarthy’s physically you probably shouldn’t like the others physicality either. I’m fine with posters on this board not wanting JJ we all have preference and opinions but the reasons put forth are “ mostly “ head scratching, like yours for instance. Figures you would focus on physical pertaining to a game 98% mental. |
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