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Post by Martin on Apr 3, 2024 12:49:46 GMT -5
WR does not make sense. The Giants need a QB as insurance for Jones and Lock both who have question marks. And Jones is one hit away from being gone. The Giants need an Oline which it seems they addressed. The Giants now have edge rushers. They still need inside DL , S and CB but WR is not going to do much if your QB can't see the field and play at a high level. Next years QB draft seems weak also. I assume there are people on this board comfortable with Jones and Lock for next year. I am not one of them. The Giants need a future at QB and I right now I don't see it, What if Shoen & Co. don't believe in any of these QBs or cannot acquire one that they do believe in? Should they just draft a QB anyway? They have to believe in the player their picking so if its not a QB then get the best player available. If WR so be it. If somehow there is a QB in a later round maybe that works. As far as I know drafting NFL prospects is never 100% especially at QB. Are you totally comfortable with Jones and Lock? |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 3, 2024 12:59:21 GMT -5
Nix is underwhelming- probably a backup. He ain’t got it. I watched him 2 years every game at Auburn. He stunk! Read his scouting report at Oregon - His offense was a ton of screens and RPO’s - wasn’t asked to process much down field - simple vertical concepts down field. At Auburn progressions confused him weekly in his passing game. Thus Oregon worked on his footwork ( which reportedly improved ) and gave him elementary schemes. No thanks. We have enough problems at QB.
I don't know man. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I've been watching film on the top-6 QB prospects for the last few months and these blanket concerns that I hear from the media about Nix don't make sense to me. They don't show up on film.
In terms of Oregon running RPO and screens, I don't see why this would be an issue. The NFL has adopted the RPO concept in recent years, and in order to be successful QBs need to know where to go with the ball and they need to be able to get it there quickly. Nix excels in these areas.
In terms of his time at Auburn, I put zero stock in it. Auburn is a mess. After Nix won the SEC Freshman of the Year award Auburn decided to hire a new OC. For those counting, Auburn has now hired a new OC every year for the last seven years. Nix apparently butted heads with one of the new OCs and eventually left. No QB with NFL aspirations would want to play in an unstable situation like that. Not to mention it was back in 2021 and a lot has changed since then.
Honestly, based on what I've seen, I tend to think Nix has one of the highest floors in this class. He's athletic and can pickup yards with his legs. He has solid arm strength. He can throw on the move, off-platform, and with different arm angles. He's quick to process defenses. He's got a quick release. He's accurate from the pocket and while on the run. He protects the ball. He's experienced.
He may not have the ceiling some of these other QBs have, but there's a lot to like about his game in my opinion.
Really well said. On the stat sheet, I think it's worth noting this guy just completed 77 percent of his passes while also taking the deep and intermediate stats I mentioned. He had an all-time college QB season, and no system itself can be wholly responsible for that. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 3, 2024 13:52:07 GMT -5
Or..... Out in the distance, a long figure is riding on a silver horse. As he gets closer you can see he is wearing a Giants jersey with the initials 'DW' sewn on the front. He then dismounts his steed, walks up to the podium and announces his unretirement from football. He makes another announcement that he is available for QBing duties which Schoen and company gladly (eagerly) sign him for a 1 year vet deal. Schoen has now seen the errors of his ways and repents by sending DJ and a couple of draft picks to the Browns and we get a backup RB in return... Meanwhile the relatives of J Mara has filed a missing persons report.... llol Dw? Mystery Giant.... Bwa ha a g ha ha haaaaaa |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 3, 2024 14:42:00 GMT -5
What if Shoen & Co. don't believe in any of these QBs or cannot acquire one that they do believe in? Should they just draft a QB anyway? They should at least go with a QB in the later rounds. Sure, if they are confident that QB can turn into something more than a project and there are not other more valuable options in the draft. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 3, 2024 14:47:21 GMT -5
What if Shoen & Co. don't believe in any of these QBs or cannot acquire one that they do believe in? Should they just draft a QB anyway? They have to believe in the player their picking so if its not a QB then get the best player available. If WR so be it. If somehow there is a QB in a later round maybe that works. As far as I know drafting NFL prospects is never 100% especially at QB. Are you totally comfortable with Jones and Lock?Of course not, but what makes me uncomfortable is them forcing a QB pick because of the QB situation and not because they believe the QB is "the guy". |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 15:18:57 GMT -5
They should at least go with a QB in the later rounds. Sure, if they are confident that QB can turn into something more than a project and there are not other more valuable options in the draft. Most of the picks in the later rounds are projects with QBs being no different. I'm curious what option you feel would be more valuable then a QB? I'm in the camp that the QB is the most valuable player on the team. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 15:21:42 GMT -5
They have to believe in the player their picking so if its not a QB then get the best player available. If WR so be it. If somehow there is a QB in a later round maybe that works. As far as I know drafting NFL prospects is never 100% especially at QB. Are you totally comfortable with Jones and Lock?Of course not, but what makes me uncomfortable is them forcing a QB pick because of the QB situation and not because they believe the QB is "the guy". They already have told you of a QB on the team that they believe is "the guy". I know this doesn't make any fan happy but that's the truth at this time. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 3, 2024 16:18:03 GMT -5
Sure, if they are confident that QB can turn into something more than a project and there are not other more valuable options in the draft. Most of the picks in the later rounds are projects with QBs being no different. I'm curious what option you feel would be more valuable then a QB? I'm in the camp that the QB is the most valuable player on the team. Yes, the STARTING QB is the most important. Right now, a late round QB is not going to be starting unless there are injuries whereas a position player can have more value in starting/depth at position/special teams. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 3, 2024 16:24:47 GMT -5
Of course not, but what makes me uncomfortable is them forcing a QB pick because of the QB situation and not because they believe the QB is "the guy". They already have told you of a QB on the team that they believe is "the guy". I know this doesn't make any fan happy but that's the truth at this time. I don't think they ever thought he was based on the contract. After 2022 I think their plan was to sign Barkley and franchise Jones, but obviously that did not work and they were "forced" to pay for another trial period of Jones. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 3, 2024 17:15:34 GMT -5
Odd. Looks like Jeremiah hasn't frequented Giants forums lol
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Post by inthezone on Apr 4, 2024 6:12:27 GMT -5
They already have told you of a QB on the team that they believe is "the guy". I know this doesn't make any fan happy but that's the truth at this time. I don't think they ever thought he was based on the contract. After 2022 I think their plan was to sign Barkley and franchise Jones, but obviously that did not work and they were "forced" to pay for another trial period of Jones. I only go by what happened and they signed Jones to a big contract which shows they think they have their guy at QB. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 4, 2024 6:16:46 GMT -5
Most of the picks in the later rounds are projects with QBs being no different. I'm curious what option you feel would be more valuable then a QB? I'm in the camp that the QB is the most valuable player on the team. Yes, the STARTING QB is the most important. Right now, a late round QB is not going to be starting unless there are injuries whereas a position player can have more value in starting/depth at position/special teams. The back up QBs this past season were very important. I will be surprised if they don't select a QB in this draft since two of the three they have not put out much promising tape. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 4, 2024 14:38:24 GMT -5
Or..... Out in the distance, a long figure is riding on a silver horse. As he gets closer you can see he is wearing a Giants jersey with the initials 'DW' sewn on the front. He then dismounts his steed, walks up to the podium and announces his unretirement from football. He makes another announcement that he is available for QBing duties which Schoen and company gladly (eagerly) sign him for a 1 year vet deal. Schoen has now seen the errors of his ways and repents by sending DJ and a couple of draft picks to the Browns and we get a backup RB in return... Meanwhile the relatives of J Mara has filed a missing persons report.... llol Dw? Thats right baby  |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 4, 2024 15:53:37 GMT -5
Nix is underwhelming- probably a backup. He ain’t got it. I watched him 2 years every game at Auburn. He stunk! Read his scouting report at Oregon - His offense was a ton of screens and RPO’s - wasn’t asked to process much down field - simple vertical concepts down field. At Auburn progressions confused him weekly in his passing game. Thus Oregon worked on his footwork ( which reportedly improved ) and gave him elementary schemes. No thanks. We have enough problems at QB.
I don't know man. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I've been watching film on the top-6 QB prospects for the last few months and these blanket concerns that I hear from the media about Nix don't make sense to me. They don't show up on film.
In terms of Oregon running RPO and screens, I don't see why this would be an issue. The NFL has adopted the RPO concept in recent years, and in order to be successful QBs need to know where to go with the ball and they need to be able to get it there quickly. Nix excels in these areas.
In terms of his time at Auburn, I put zero stock in it. Auburn is a mess. After Nix won the SEC Freshman of the Year award Auburn decided to hire a new OC. For those counting, Auburn has now hired a new OC every year for the last seven years. Nix apparently butted heads with one of the new OCs and eventually left. No QB with NFL aspirations would want to play in an unstable situation like that. Not to mention it was back in 2021 and a lot has changed since then.
Honestly, based on what I've seen, I tend to think Nix has one of the highest floors in this class. He's athletic and can pickup yards with his legs. He has solid arm strength. He can throw on the move, off-platform, and with different arm angles. He's quick to process defenses. He's got a quick release. He's accurate from the pocket and while on the run. He protects the ball. He's experienced.
He may not have the ceiling some of these other QBs have, but there's a lot to like about his game in my opinion.
Great way to put it - agree to disagree. My mind is a bit poisoned on Nix from Auburn. If you watched him every game for 2 years you might not be so quick to dismiss his consistently poor play. He was awful. I wanted him to succeed at Oregon because he is a great dude. Carries himself well and is a class act. The thing that worries me the most is he didn’t process well at Auburn. He made dumb decisions and dumb throws often. Took off running with WR’s running free and fans screaming “ how did he not see the open guy ( or guys ). Not just a game or 2 it was a habit. Oregon dumbed it down for him and fixed his footwork thus making him more successful. He’s got great athleticism and a strong arm but the next level will be even more cerebral. I’m just not comfortable drafting a QB with a track record of being fed screens - RPO’s and an elementary downfield passing attack. If you’re cool with that that’s fine we all got opinions. I’m not convinced he’ll be a failure or just a backup I just think with his track record he’s risky. If he becomes a Giant I’ll be rooting for him as hard as any QB we might end up with. I watch a lot of college football from 11 AM till 9 PM every season all day. The quarterbacks I feel most comfortable with are the ones that I’ve seen play consistently well - those are Jayden Daniels JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix. I haven’t seen much of Maye I watch the BIG 10 and SEC mainly. If watch the ACC it’s usually Florida State. If I watch the Pac 12 it’s usually Utah and Oregon. Thanks for you’re cordial response 👍 |
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