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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 2, 2024 20:26:24 GMT -5
Watching "NFL Live" today they changed my mind on the Chargers picking a WR with #5. Which would leave at least 2 of the top 3 WR's in the draft available at #6. If the Cards trade out at #4 to a team coming up for a QB. I now believe all 3 top WR's will be available at #6. Yes including Harrison jr.
What changed my mind was them showing Jim Harbaugh's history of coaching and it has not changed. In Indy he built his OL to run the ball. In S.F. he built his OL to run the ball. In Michigan he built a bull Dozer of an OL to run the ball. He even hired his old OC Greg Roman who nobody has more of a run offense in the NFL.
Harbaugh is drafting one of the 3 big OT's at #5 to protect Herbert and run the football. Probably Joe Alt from N.D. It makes so much sense, it's Harbaugh to his core.
We might actually have our choice of WR's in the draft.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 2, 2024 20:38:36 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 3, 2024 6:47:31 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Nix is underwhelming- probably a backup. He ain’t got it. I watched him 2 years every game at Auburn. He stunk! Read his scouting report at Oregon - His offense was a ton of screens and RPO’s - wasn’t asked to process much down field - simple vertical concepts down field. At Auburn progressions confused him weekly in his passing game. Thus Oregon worked on his footwork ( which reportedly improved ) and gave him elementary schemes. No thanks. We have enough problems at QB.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 6:53:38 GMT -5
I think that the Chargers would make the trade with the Vikings if AZ decides to take MHJ.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 6:57:22 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. With all the teams that need a QB I would be surprised if any of these 6 QBs make it to the 2nd round. It going to be interesting to see Nix ending up out playing most of these QBs that people are grading as better then him.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 3, 2024 7:09:45 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. With all the teams that need a QB I would be surprised if any of these 6 QBs make it to the 2nd round. It going to be interesting to see Nix ending up out playing most of these QBs that people are grading as better then him. I actually agree. I don’t see Nix making it beyond Denver. Penix is the only one I could see falling.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 3, 2024 7:23:36 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Nix is underwhelming- probably a backup. He ain’t got it. I watched him 2 years every game at Auburn. He stunk! Read his scouting report at Oregon - His offense was a ton of screens and RPO’s - wasn’t asked to process much down field - simple vertical concepts down field. At Auburn progressions confused him weekly in his passing game. Thus Oregon worked on his footwork ( which reportedly improved ) and gave him elementary schemes. No thanks. We have enough problems at QB. You read his "scouting report" at Oregon, but provide an analysis that describes Mario Cristobal's Oregon offense, not the current one. Bo Nix threw 37% of his passes beyond the sticks, tied with Daniels for tops among the top QBs. Also threw 16 TDs to zero picks on intermediate throws (10 to 19 yds).
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 3, 2024 7:31:25 GMT -5
With all the teams that need a QB I would be surprised if any of these 6 QBs make it to the 2nd round. It going to be interesting to see Nix ending up out playing most of these QBs that people are grading as better then him. I actually agree. I don’t see Nix making it beyond Denver. Penix is the only one I could see falling. I don't even see Penix falling, but I think we'd be better taking WR at #6 and Penix in the 2nd if he's there then trading up for one of the top guys and losing our 2nd rounder alltogether. My preference is to take the best position players at 6 and 2nd round, and one of the 3rd tier QBs later in the draft (Rattler, Milton or Pratt). I think if any of Daniels, Maye or McCarthy are there at 6, we'll take him though. I don't like any of them enough to trade up, losing our 2nd rounder and/or next years 1st...
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Post by GameTime on Apr 3, 2024 8:18:43 GMT -5
interesting
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 3, 2024 8:24:46 GMT -5
Harrison couldn’t fall if you pushed him down a flight of stairs.. Hall of fame pedigree with elite ability. Having a stud at wide receiver is a luxury.. A quarterback is a priority. Might as well put curtains in a burning house.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 3, 2024 8:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 3, 2024 9:00:15 GMT -5
Didn’t the Chargers just lose their top 2 WRs in FA/trade?
I don’t see how they’re not taking a WR.
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Post by Nite on Apr 3, 2024 9:22:39 GMT -5
Or...
We might luck out if the day before the draft Mara gets a papercut, goes to the hospital, falls into a coma for 3 days* and then Schoen gets to pick his own people. One of them being a starting QB
* Wakes up in the 4th day
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Post by Nite on Apr 3, 2024 9:29:29 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Or..... Out in the distance, a long figure is riding on a silver horse. As he gets closer you can see he is wearing a Giants jersey with the initials 'DW' sewn on the front. He then dismounts his steed, walks up to the podium and announces his unretirement from football. He makes another announcement that he is available for QBing duties which Schoen and company gladly (eagerly) sign him for a 1 year vet deal. Schoen has now seen the errors of his ways and repents by sending DJ and a couple of draft picks to the Browns and we get a backup RB in return... Meanwhile the relatives of J Mara has filed a missing persons report....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 3, 2024 9:31:18 GMT -5
I think that the Chargers would make the trade with the Vikings if AZ decides to take MHJ. So do I, it makes sense and they still get one of the top OT's in the draft at #11 plus other picks. A big win win for the Chargers. I think they make the trade if MHJ is there or not. I honestly believe their going OT with the 5th pick if they don't trade. But the trade should be their goal no matter what.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 3, 2024 9:38:25 GMT -5
I don't see any way Harrison gets to 6. If the Chargers don't take him. they'll get calls from teams looking to trade the farm to move up.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 3, 2024 9:39:44 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Or..... Out in the distance, a long figure is riding on a silver horse. As he gets closer you can see he is wearing a Giants jersey with the initials 'DW' sewn on the front. He then dismounts his steed, walks up to the podium and announces his unretirement from football. He makes another announcement that he is available for QBing duties which Schoen and company gladly (eagerly) sign him for a 1 year vet deal. Schoen has now seen the errors of his ways and repents by sending DJ and a couple of draft picks to the Browns and we get a backup RB in return... Meanwhile the relatives of J Mara has filed a missing persons report.... Danny White?
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 3, 2024 9:41:52 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Nix is underwhelming- probably a backup. He ain’t got it. I watched him 2 years every game at Auburn. He stunk! Read his scouting report at Oregon - His offense was a ton of screens and RPO’s - wasn’t asked to process much down field - simple vertical concepts down field. At Auburn progressions confused him weekly in his passing game. Thus Oregon worked on his footwork ( which reportedly improved ) and gave him elementary schemes. No thanks. We have enough problems at QB.
I don't know man. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I've been watching film on the top-6 QB prospects for the last few months and these blanket concerns that I hear from the media about Nix don't make sense to me. They don't show up on film.
In terms of Oregon running RPO and screens, I don't see why this would be an issue. The NFL has adopted the RPO concept in recent years, and in order to be successful QBs need to know where to go with the ball and they need to be able to get it there quickly. Nix excels in these areas.
In terms of his time at Auburn, I put zero stock in it. Auburn is a mess. After Nix won the SEC Freshman of the Year award Auburn decided to hire a new OC. For those counting, Auburn has now hired a new OC every year for the last seven years. Nix apparently butted heads with one of the new OCs and eventually left. No QB with NFL aspirations would want to play in an unstable situation like that. Not to mention it was back in 2021 and a lot has changed since then.
Honestly, based on what I've seen, I tend to think Nix has one of the highest floors in this class. He's athletic and can pickup yards with his legs. He has solid arm strength. He can throw on the move, off-platform, and with different arm angles. He's quick to process defenses. He's got a quick release. He's accurate from the pocket and while on the run. He protects the ball. He's experienced.
He may not have the ceiling some of these other QBs have, but there's a lot to like about his game in my opinion.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 3, 2024 9:48:01 GMT -5
I don't see any way Harrison gets to 6. If the Chargers don't take him. they'll get calls from teams looking to trade the farm to move up. It makes sense. The 4th and 5th slots in the draft are in excellent position.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 3, 2024 9:57:35 GMT -5
I don't see any way Harrison gets to 6. If the Chargers don't take him. they'll get calls from teams looking to trade the farm to move up.
The only way would be if Minnesota, or another team, trades up to #4 with Arizona, and then San Diego drafts the best OL. With Harbaugh running the show, it's not out of the question he'd prefer an OL to a WR. If Alt is as good as advertised, SD may not want to trade back and lose out on the opportunity of drafting him.
Long shot, but not impossible.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 3, 2024 9:59:19 GMT -5
I actually agree. I don’t see Nix making it beyond Denver. Penix is the only one I could see falling. I don't even see Penix falling, but I think we'd be better taking WR at #6 and Penix in the 2nd if he's there then trading up for one of the top guys and losing our 2nd rounder alltogether. My preference is to take the best position players at 6 and 2nd round, and one of the 3rd tier QBs later in the draft (Rattler, Milton or Pratt). I think if any of Daniels, Maye or McCarthy are there at 6, we'll take him though. I don't like any of them enough to trade up, losing our 2nd rounder and/or next years 1st... I don't see Pennix falling past Vegas or Denver in the 1st rd. I'm going back and forth between trading up for a QB or taking the best WR. Tough decision, I think taking the WR at #6 is the safer pick. But were dead in the water for the next 2 years at least if we don't get a capable QB.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 3, 2024 10:01:03 GMT -5
I don't see any way Harrison gets to 6. If the Chargers don't take him. they'll get calls from teams looking to trade the farm to move up.
The only way would be if Minnesota, or another team, trades up to #4 with Arizona, and then San Diego drafts the best OL. With Harbaugh running the show, it's not out of the question he'd prefer an OL to a WR. If Alt is as good as advertised, SD may not want to trade back and lose out on the opportunity of drafting him.
Long shot, but not impossible.
Not a long shot at all.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 3, 2024 10:44:38 GMT -5
Have to think the Chargers need a WR. What weapons do they have now?
If they trade with Minny they likely miss out on a top receiver is my guess. They still can land a solid receiver and a lineman in the teens. It’s risky though
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 10:55:29 GMT -5
Have to think the Chargers need a WR. What weapons do they have now? If they trade with Minny they likely miss out on a top receiver is my guess. They still can land a solid receiver and a lineman in the teens. It’s risky though Just like with the Giants I would make the trade and use those two picks for a WR and OT/DT.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 3, 2024 11:27:14 GMT -5
Watching "NFL Live" today they changed my mind on the Chargers picking a WR with #5. Which would leave at least 2 of the top 3 WR's in the draft available at #6. If the Cards trade out at #4 to a team coming up for a QB. I now believe all 3 top WR's will be available at #6. Yes including Harrison jr. What changed my mind was them showing Jim Harbaugh's history of coaching and it has not changed. In Indy he built his OL to run the ball. In S.F. he built his OL to run the ball. In Michigan he built a bull Dozer of an OL to run the ball. He even hired his old OC Greg Roman who nobody has more of a run offense in the NFL. Harbaugh is drafting one of the 3 big OT's at #5 to protect Herbert and run the football. Probably Joe Alt from N.D. It makes so much sense, it's Harbaugh to his core. We might actually have our choice of WR's in the draft. One of these WRs will be fantastic. All three are elite, But we will absolutely add 2-3 years minimum to this rebuild. At the end of the day. In NFL, you ain't shit without a QB.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 3, 2024 11:44:29 GMT -5
Watching "NFL Live" today they changed my mind on the Chargers picking a WR with #5. Which would leave at least 2 of the top 3 WR's in the draft available at #6. If the Cards trade out at #4 to a team coming up for a QB. I now believe all 3 top WR's will be available at #6. Yes including Harrison jr. What changed my mind was them showing Jim Harbaugh's history of coaching and it has not changed. In Indy he built his OL to run the ball. In S.F. he built his OL to run the ball. In Michigan he built a bull Dozer of an OL to run the ball. He even hired his old OC Greg Roman who nobody has more of a run offense in the NFL. Harbaugh is drafting one of the 3 big OT's at #5 to protect Herbert and run the football. Probably Joe Alt from N.D. It makes so much sense, it's Harbaugh to his core. We might actually have our choice of WR's in the draft. I agree and we've seen those kinda things in the draft all the time where guys who you thought were gonna get taken so to speak, they went elsewhere and sometimes out of the blue... Everyone saying Caleb Williams, now watch the Bears take Daniels... Also this morning on Unsportsmanlike they talked about how Shefty said that really a lot of folks are talking about how Penix's love of the game and kinda he eats breaths sleeps the game, had plays written on his mirror in his apartment and such and how he took Indiana and made them relevant before transferring, overcoming the 2 major injuries and bounced back each time and played in big tyme games, ect. Said he's hearing he's rubbing off on a lot of people as to someone who's been thru the type of things that you want the leader of your team to have been thru so to speak and that would make you that much more prime and ready and they believe he much more than JJ will be the 4th qb taken........
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 3, 2024 11:51:29 GMT -5
MHJ falls to #6 and Nix somehow falls to us in Rd2. Improbable, but that might be my ideal scenario. Or..... Out in the distance, a long figure is riding on a silver horse. As he gets closer you can see he is wearing a Giants jersey with the initials 'DW' sewn on the front. He then dismounts his steed, walks up to the podium and announces his unretirement from football. He makes another announcement that he is available for QBing duties which Schoen and company gladly (eagerly) sign him for a 1 year vet deal. Schoen has now seen the errors of his ways and repents by sending DJ and a couple of draft picks to the Browns and we get a backup RB in return... Meanwhile the relatives of J Mara has filed a missing persons report.... llol Dw?
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Post by Martin on Apr 3, 2024 12:12:21 GMT -5
WR does not make sense. The Giants need a QB as insurance for Jones and Lock both who have question marks. And Jones is one hit away from being gone. The Giants need an Oline which it seems they addressed. The Giants now have edge rushers. They still need inside DL , S and CB but WR is not going to do much if your QB can't see the field and play at a high level. Next years QB draft seems weak also. I assume there are people on this board comfortable with Jones and Lock for next year. I am not one of them. The Giants need a future at QB and I right now I don't see it,
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 3, 2024 12:30:50 GMT -5
WR does not make sense. The Giants need a QB as insurance for Jones and Lock both who have question marks. And Jones is one hit away from being gone. The Giants need an Oline which it seems they addressed. The Giants now have edge rushers. They still need inside DL , S and CB but WR is not going to do much if your QB can't see the field and play at a high level. Next years QB draft seems weak also. I assume there are people on this board comfortable with Jones and Lock for next year. I am not one of them. The Giants need a future at QB and I right now I don't see it, What if Shoen & Co. don't believe in any of these QBs or cannot acquire one that they do believe in? Should they just draft a QB anyway?
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Post by inthezone on Apr 3, 2024 12:33:11 GMT -5
WR does not make sense. The Giants need a QB as insurance for Jones and Lock both who have question marks. And Jones is one hit away from being gone. The Giants need an Oline which it seems they addressed. The Giants now have edge rushers. They still need inside DL , S and CB but WR is not going to do much if your QB can't see the field and play at a high level. Next years QB draft seems weak also. I assume there are people on this board comfortable with Jones and Lock for next year. I am not one of them. The Giants need a future at QB and I right now I don't see it, What if Shoen & Co. don't believe in any of these QBs or cannot acquire one that they do believe in? Should they just draft a QB anyway? They should at least go with a QB in the later rounds.
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