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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 3, 2024 20:04:39 GMT -5
Here's an ugly reminder of our starting Oline by game for 2023.
AT- Andrew Thomas BB- Ben Bredeson JMS- John Michael Schmitz Jr. MG- Mark Glowinski EN- Evan Neal
JE- Joshua Ezeudu MM- Marcus McKethan SL- Shane Lemieux JP- Justin Pugh TP- Tyre Phillips
MP- Matt Peart
Opp
| LT | LG
| C
| RG
| RT
| | DAL | AT
| BB
| JMS
| MG
| EN
| | ARI | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SF | JE | SL
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SEA | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | MIA | JE | MG
| BB
| MM
| EN
| | BUF | JE | JP
| BB
| MG
| EN
| | WAS | JP | MM
| BB
| MG
| TP
| | NYJ | JP | BB
| JMS
| MG
| TP
| LV
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| EN
| | DAL | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | WAS | AT
| JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | NE | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | GB | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| NO
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | LAR | AT | JP
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| | PHI | AT | JP
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Post by straightrazorman on Apr 3, 2024 21:11:05 GMT -5
Here's an ugly reminder of our starting Oline by game for 2023.
AT- Andrew Thomas BB- Ben Bredeson JMS- John Michael Schmitz Jr. MG- Mark Glowinski EN- Evan Neal
JE- Joshua Ezeudu MM- Marcus McKethan SL- Shane Lemieux JP- Justin Pugh TP- Tyre Phillips
Opp
| LT | LG
| C
| RG
| RT
| | DAL | AT
| BB
| JMS
| MG
| EN
| | ARI | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SF | JE | SL
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SEA | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | MIA | JE | MG
| BB
| MM
| EN
| | BUF | JE | JP
| BB
| MG
| EN
| | WAS | JP | MM
| BB
| MG
| TP
| | NYJ | JP | BB
| JMS
| MG
| TP
| LV
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| EN
| | DAL | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | WAS | AT
| JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | NE | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | GB | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| NO
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | LAR | AT | JP
| JMS
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| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
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Who is MP and why would you even want to remember this? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 3, 2024 21:25:29 GMT -5
Here's an ugly reminder of our starting Oline by game for 2023.
AT- Andrew Thomas BB- Ben Bredeson JMS- John Michael Schmitz Jr. MG- Mark Glowinski EN- Evan Neal
JE- Joshua Ezeudu MM- Marcus McKethan SL- Shane Lemieux JP- Justin Pugh TP- Tyre Phillips
Opp
| LT | LG
| C
| RG
| RT
| | DAL | AT
| BB
| JMS
| MG
| EN
| | ARI | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SF | JE | SL
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SEA | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | MIA | JE | MG
| BB
| MM
| EN
| | BUF | JE | JP
| BB
| MG
| EN
| | WAS | JP | MM
| BB
| MG
| TP
| | NYJ | JP | BB
| JMS
| MG
| TP
| LV
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| EN
| | DAL | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | WAS | AT
| JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | NE | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | GB | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| NO
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | LAR | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
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Who is MP and why would you even want to remember this?
Matt Peart.
The Giant posted in reference to the revamped Oline in 2024.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 3, 2024 22:00:30 GMT -5
Here's an ugly reminder of our starting Oline by game for 2023.
AT- Andrew Thomas BB- Ben Bredeson JMS- John Michael Schmitz Jr. MG- Mark Glowinski EN- Evan Neal
JE- Joshua Ezeudu MM- Marcus McKethan SL- Shane Lemieux JP- Justin Pugh TP- Tyre Phillips
MP- Matt Peart
Opp
| LT | LG
| C
| RG
| RT
| | DAL | AT
| BB
| JMS
| MG
| EN
| | ARI | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SF | JE | SL
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SEA | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | MIA | JE | MG
| BB
| MM
| EN
| | BUF | JE | JP
| BB
| MG
| EN
| | WAS | JP | MM
| BB
| MG
| TP
| | NYJ | JP | BB
| JMS
| MG
| TP
| LV
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| EN
| | DAL | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | WAS | AT
| JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | NE | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | GB | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| NO
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | LAR | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| BB
| MG
| MP
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How ever this came about it is an impossible assignment to put together an competent oL with tae many moving pieces the last 7 games they got a better by the game by no coincidence it was the only time that most of the OL stayed the same. Kind of feel bad for Bobby Johnson don't think it could have been any better with anyone else. Remember in 2022 they stayed pretty healthy and got better weekly till they were at least middle of the pack good enough to compete hopeful this group can stay healthy #1 and Bracillo can bring them together quickly and they can jell sooner than later. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2024 7:33:17 GMT -5
Here's an ugly reminder of our starting Oline by game for 2023.
AT- Andrew Thomas BB- Ben Bredeson JMS- John Michael Schmitz Jr. MG- Mark Glowinski EN- Evan Neal
JE- Joshua Ezeudu MM- Marcus McKethan SL- Shane Lemieux JP- Justin Pugh TP- Tyre Phillips
MP- Matt Peart
Opp
| LT | LG
| C
| RG
| RT
| | DAL | AT
| BB
| JMS
| MG
| EN
| | ARI | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SF | JE | SL
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | SEA | JE | BB
| JMS
| MM
| EN
| | MIA | JE | MG
| BB
| MM
| EN
| | BUF | JE | JP
| BB
| MG
| EN
| | WAS | JP | MM
| BB
| MG
| TP
| | NYJ | JP | BB
| JMS
| MG
| TP
| LV
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| EN
| | DAL | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | WAS | AT
| JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | NE | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | GB | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| NO
| AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | LAR | AT | JP
| JMS
| BB
| TP
| | PHI | AT | JP
| BB
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How ever this came about it is an impossible assignment to put together an competent oL with tae many moving pieces the last 7 games they got a better by the game by no coincidence it was the only time that most of the OL stayed the same. Kind of feel bad for Bobby Johnson don't think it could have been any better with anyone else.Remember in 2022 they stayed pretty healthy and got better weekly till they were at least middle of the pack good enough to compete hopeful this group can stay healthy #1 and Bracillo can bring them together quickly and they can jell sooner than later. The Texans were down to third stringers, rookies and backups at at one point in the season. They figured it out. Good coaches find a way to get the job done. If Bobby Johnson need Allstars across the line then there is no need for him. Obviously his teaching/coaching methods were not developing or preparing the oline for the task at hand. Having a competent QB helps also. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 8:29:46 GMT -5
How ever this came about it is an impossible assignment to put together an competent oL with tae many moving pieces the last 7 games they got a better by the game by no coincidence it was the only time that most of the OL stayed the same. Kind of feel bad for Bobby Johnson don't think it could have been any better with anyone else.Remember in 2022 they stayed pretty healthy and got better weekly till they were at least middle of the pack good enough to compete hopeful this group can stay healthy #1 and Bracillo can bring them together quickly and they can jell sooner than later. The Texans were down to third stringers, rookies and backups at at one point in the season. They figured it out. Good coaches find a way to get the job done. If Bobby Johnson need Allstars across the line then there is no need for him. Obviously his teaching/coaching methods were not developing or preparing the oline for the task at hand. Having a competent QB helps also. We will see Bracillo has been good bringing young players along and getting his JAGs to exceed maybe it's an issue with some of the backup talent at one point Marcus McKethen was turned around facing SQB while he was running towards him. Then again Johnson was at UNC working him and Azudo out telling them they helped themselves he had say in who was drafted to his unit. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 9:11:10 GMT -5
The Texans were down to third stringers, rookies and backups at at one point in the season. They figured it out. Good coaches find a way to get the job done. If Bobby Johnson need Allstars across the line then there is no need for him. Obviously his teaching/coaching methods were not developing or preparing the oline for the task at hand. Having a competent QB helps also. Without a QB, the Texans couldn’t beat anybody, |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2024 10:07:58 GMT -5
The Texans were down to third stringers, rookies and backups at at one point in the season. They figured it out. Good coaches find a way to get the job done. If Bobby Johnson need Allstars across the line then there is no need for him. Obviously his teaching/coaching methods were not developing or preparing the oline for the task at hand. Having a competent QB helps also. We will see Bracillo has been good bringing young players along and getting his JAGs to exceed maybe it's an issue with some of the backup talent at one point Marcus McKethen was turned around facing SQB while he was running towards him. Then again Johnson was at UNC working him and Azudo out telling them they helped themselves he had say in who was drafted to his unit. Yeah I agree. I hoping Bracillo is as gois as the board says he is. Everytime time I convince myself the oline can't get worse they do. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2024 10:10:50 GMT -5
The Texans were down to third stringers, rookies and backups at at one point in the season. They figured it out. Good coaches find a way to get the job done. If Bobby Johnson need Allstars across the line then there is no need for him. Obviously his teaching/coaching methods were not developing or preparing the oline for the task at hand. Having a competent QB helps also. Without a QB, the Texans couldn’t beat anybody, A QB Or a specific QB? I guess the answer to our oline problems might be in your reply. Just hit the easy button and get a QB and our oline worries are over...right? No need to coach them. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 10:16:26 GMT -5
Without a QB, the Texans couldn’t beat anybody, A QB Or a specific QB? I guess the answer to our oline problems might be in your reply. Just hit the easy button and get a QB and our oline worries are over...right? No need to coach them. oh I see, so your easy button is the Texans coaching staff was awful for years and suddenly got better. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 10:19:23 GMT -5
We will see Bracillo has been good bringing young players along and getting his JAGs to exceed maybe it's an issue with some of the backup talent at one point Marcus McKethen was turned around facing SQB while he was running towards him. Then again Johnson was at UNC working him and Azudo out telling them they helped themselves he had say in who was drafted to his unit. Yeah I agree. I hoping Bracillo is as gois as the board says he is. Everytime time I convince myself the oline can't get worse they do. I'm tired of as much as the owner himself admitted to being sick of it i would say Bracillo has done it else where so if he can't get these younger players going my bet it's the talent not the coach. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 10:21:24 GMT -5
A QB Or a specific QB? I guess the answer to our oline problems might be in your reply. Just hit the easy button and get a QB and our oline worries are over...right? No need to coach them. oh I see, so your easy button is the Texans coaching staff was awful for years and suddenly got better. strouds ability to process and the Texans OL taking a step forward has done wonders on top of some good coaching takes a lot but a QB is the must. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 10:23:50 GMT -5
oh I see, so your easy button is the Texans coaching staff was awful for years and suddenly got better. strouds ability to process and the Texans OL taking a step forward has done wonders on top of some good coaching takes a lot but a QB is the must. these generalities are priceless. When the team wins it’s rainbows and unicorns yet losing it’s blame the coach. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 10:33:56 GMT -5
strouds ability to process and the Texans OL taking a step forward has done wonders on top of some good coaching takes a lot but a QB is the must. these generalities are priceless. When the team wins it’s rainbows and unicorns yet losing it’s blame the coach. GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 10:50:21 GMT -5
these generalities are priceless. When the team wins it’s rainbows and unicorns yet losing it’s blame the coach. GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. The dullest knives in the drawer are the loudest to blame when they search reason as to why the team doesn’t execute at a higher level of efficiency. Bring over the Texan line coaches and have them coach this group. The same fan(s) will knock them. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 10:58:10 GMT -5
GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. The dullest knives in the drawer are the loudest to blame when they search reason as to why the team doesn’t execute at a higher level of efficiency. Bring over the Texan line coaches and have them coach this group. The same fan(s) will knock them. This was a tough assignment with the revolving door of players in and out every other week I try to give a gM time and would like to see Coaches get some time Daboll IMHO can Coach last year was a tough year and he is learning same with Schoen he a first time GM his drafts to me were pretty good he needs to nail some blue chippers, hopefully this one will be better in that regard. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 4, 2024 11:48:47 GMT -5
.........should be a crime....
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Post by McCherry on Apr 4, 2024 11:52:43 GMT -5
these generalities are priceless. When the team wins it’s rainbows and unicorns yet losing it’s blame the coach. GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. True. But generally, good coaches win, bad coaches lose. I don't think there is another sport where results are so directly tied to the head coach as in the NFL. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 12:14:45 GMT -5
GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. True. But generally, good coaches win, bad coaches lose. Agree but even good coaches can fall victim to bad GMing lol. TC didn't forget how to coach and win he just got short changed on the talent once the nucleus dried up he was screwed. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 4, 2024 12:20:20 GMT -5
True. But generally, good coaches win, bad coaches lose. Agree but even good coaches can fall victim to bad GMing lol. TC didn't forget how to coach and win he just got short changed on the talent once the nucleus dried up he was screwed. Coaches are involved in personnel moves as much as the GM. The coaches tell the GM who and what positions they need, the GM tries their best to get the players or the equivalent. TC's failure's were just as equal on the field as they were off. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 13:26:15 GMT -5
these generalities are priceless. When the team wins it’s rainbows and unicorns yet losing it’s blame the coach. GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. Not in Jones case, he’s had 5 years of excuses with not nearly as much blame yet he is also solely responsible for carrying that awesome ‘22 season (winning 3 of the last 10 games) and beating the 2nd worst defense in the league in the playoffs all by himself. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2024 14:06:09 GMT -5
A QB Or a specific QB? I guess the answer to our oline problems might be in your reply. Just hit the easy button and get a QB and our oline worries are over...right? No need to coach them. oh I see, so your easy button is the Texans coaching staff was awful for years and suddenly got better. don't forget the GM who has found the right Coach to maximize his players. CJ was a great pick and Demeco and Slowik devised an offense that maximizes his skills and hides some weakness. |
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Post by hadenough on Apr 4, 2024 14:06:22 GMT -5
Maybe Schoen can finally get it better in his 3rd try.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 14:12:49 GMT -5
oh I see, so your easy button is the Texans coaching staff was awful for years and suddenly got better. don't forget the GM who has found the right Coach to maximize his players. CJ was a great pick and Demeco and Slowik devised an offense that maximizes his skills and hides some weakness. Good to see you have it all figured out that it was all coaching. Share with us all what techniques you recognized the Texans changed and what you would use for this Giants OL which has failed for a decade. Do share |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 14:55:35 GMT -5
GMs and Coaches next QBs get the Lions share of blame when things go wrong, just like winning takes a lot of things to go right losing takes a lot of things to go wrong. Not in Jones case, he’s had 5 years of excuses with not nearly as much blame yet he is also solely responsible for carrying that awesome ‘22 season (winning 3 of the last 10 games) and beating the 2nd worst defense in the league in the playoffs all by himself. wow Vincenzo seems to be very upset with Danny boy lo. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 4, 2024 14:58:39 GMT -5
Agree but even good coaches can fall victim to bad GMing lol. TC didn't forget how to coach and win he just got short changed on the talent once the nucleus dried up he was screwed. Coaches are involved in personnel moves as much as the GM. The coaches tell the GM who and what positions they need, the GM tries their best to get the players or the equivalent. TC's failure's were just as equal on the field as they were off. his defenses were so pathetic with a 1score lead he was going for on 4th down because they gave up so many final drive leads i think he and reese were never on the same page. |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 4, 2024 15:41:31 GMT -5
1. The article this came from is amazing. Great breakdown of FA signings and consolidation of scouting reports for interior and exterior draft prospects.
2. Like most complex systems, it’s almost never just one thing. I don’t think Johnson was fired because we sucked in 23’. We sucked for multiple reasons in 23’. I think the players drafted just weren’t developing enough and teams like the Raiders with much less draft capital invested in the line seemed to have more performance out of less talent.
3. Fans think “o line sucked, fire the coach”. That coach followed Dabs from Buffalo. What seems like an easy decision to us must have been extremely difficult for Dabs. Unless you’re a soulless robot.
4. Check out Eleumumor’s endorsement of Brascillo. It won’t matter if we don’t see improvement but I’m excited to see what he can do as a coach.
5. I’m watching the Texas discussion in this thread. Couple years ago it was Cincy as the example of how o line injuries shouldn’t matter if you’re a good coach. Clearly the Giants think they can improve their coaching or they wouldn’t have fired the incumbent. But these examples are exceptions, not the standard. Mahomes is the exceptional talent at QB, not the standard. Teams that seem to perform with practice squad o line starters don’t accomplish it consistently and have common characteristics beyond coaching.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 4, 2024 16:00:01 GMT -5
some stability on the Offensive Line finally would be nice
still have to Develop Ezeudu and Neal still should draft another young versatile lineman to continue to develop guys who can be starters one day
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Post by McCherry on Apr 4, 2024 16:30:08 GMT -5
1. The article this came from is amazing. Great breakdown of FA signings and consolidation of scouting reports for interior and exterior draft prospects. 2. Like most complex systems, it’s almost never just one thing. I don’t think Johnson was fired because we sucked in 23’. We sucked for multiple reasons in 23’. I think the players drafted just weren’t developing enough and teams like the Raiders with much less draft capital invested in the line seemed to have more performance out of less talent. 3. Fans think “o line sucked, fire the coach”. That coach followed Dabs from Buffalo. What seems like an easy decision to us must have been extremely difficult for Dabs. Unless you’re a soulless robot. 4. Check out Eleumumor’s endorsement of Brascillo. It won’t matter if we don’t see improvement but I’m excited to see what he can do as a coach. 5. I’m watching the Texas discussion in this thread. Couple years ago it was Cincy as the example of how o line injuries shouldn’t matter if you’re a good coach. Clearly the Giants think they can improve their coaching or they wouldn’t have fired the incumbent. But these examples are exceptions, not the standard. Mahomes is the exceptional talent at QB, not the standard. Teams that seem to perform with practice squad o line starters don’t accomplish it consistently and have common characteristics beyond coaching. I've heard enough criticisms about Johnson and his teaching methods to get the sense that there was a real problem there. The thing about Briscillo, is he's coming right off a successful body of work. His style seems to match our needs and he also brought in a key player from that group. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 17:09:15 GMT -5
If the QBs are gone and you have the choice between a WR and Joe Alt what do you do?
Let’s keep in mind, Neal or our new swing tackle are not a given. The OL can go from cautiously optimistic to log jam of talent with Alt. (unless he can’t bend which wouldn’t shock me)
Or they go WR and welcome in year 13 of cross your fingers on the OL.
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