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Post by Morehead State on Apr 11, 2024 21:38:35 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team.
1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes.
2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey.
Both can work.....But what should we do?
We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees.
I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off.
Am I delusional?
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 11, 2024 21:42:05 GMT -5
Ah, KC has had a winning model since 2012. Then later went Mahomes for only an extra #1 from what I remember.
i believe SF traded 3 #1 picks for Lance and then went Purdy after everybody else got injured.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 11, 2024 21:49:51 GMT -5
Ah, KC has had a winning model since 2012. The later went Mahomes for only an extra #1 from what I remember. i believe SF traded 3 #1 picks for Lance and then went Purdy after everybody else got injured. KC wasn't a championship team until they got Mahomes. .....which is why they traded up for him. And while SF tried the "KC Model", they ended up with the "SF Model".
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 11, 2024 22:12:21 GMT -5
Ah, KC has had a winning model since 2012. The later went Mahomes for only an extra #1 from what I remember. i believe SF traded 3 #1 picks for Lance and then went Purdy after everybody else got injured. KC wasn't a championship team until they got Mahomes. .....which is why they traded up for him. And while SF tried the "KC Model", they ended up with the "SF Model". you said 2 ways to build a team. SF paid more and still havenât won a Super Bowl. too many holes đłïž to justify this take imo. the Giants could use either build as KC was winning a heck of a lot more than the Giants without Mahomes while SF build a good enough team to miss on Lance and still win.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 11, 2024 22:17:09 GMT -5
KC wasn't a championship team until they got Mahomes. .....which is why they traded up for him. And while SF tried the "KC Model", they ended up with the "SF Model". you said 2 ways to build a team. SF paid more and I suppose I didn't make myself clear. Yes, The Niners traded up for what they thought was a franchise QB. But that's not what they got. So they went to plan B........then plan C. Plan C fell in their lap. But all that is really irrelevant. The point is that the model they have in place seems the best course for our team. Don't waste the 6th pick on the 5th best QB in the draft. Use it on the best player, and that would be the best WR left on the board. Build a team of weapons on both sides of the ball and drop in a functional QB who can get the ball to those guys on offense and minimize mistakes. It seems our only choice.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 11, 2024 22:22:21 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model".  Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB.  If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? For thinking it's that simple choice, yes.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 11, 2024 22:25:32 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? For thinking it's that simple choice, yes. So do what? Use the 6th pick for the 5th best QB prospect in the draft?
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Post by TEM on Apr 12, 2024 1:32:04 GMT -5
I still believe the tried-and-true method of team building begins with the O line, D line and Secondary. When those 3 aspects are stout, everything else is interchangeable.
The Defense :
A) A good secondary makes your pass rush effective.
B) Pressure on the QB eliminates even the best Play makers.
C) Squashing the Running game make the opponent predictable.
The Offense:
A) When the offensive Line can move bodies out of the way. You can run the ball with impunity.
B) If the QB is allowed to let Routes developed. He will beat even the best pass defenders with #2 and # 3 WRs.
All QBs coming out of the NCAA can throw the ball. All RBs can run the ball. All WRs can catch the ball. The rank-and-file good enough players. Or they would not have started on their respective Collage teams.
There are 50 X more Ok player than Unicorns. That is the hard fact that is always disregarded, (build around the available talent pool and not wait for the freak of nature.)
IMO (stats guy) Always build with OK, than build with a few Unicorn playmaker and I hope so on the O-D lines and secondary. Money (evenly dispersed) and your best draft picks (first 2 rounds) IMO should always be used on the 3 groups that the stats suggest. The rest, you just need "good enough" including the QB.
I used to believe the prescribed mythology was the model. Start with the QB......... Stats have changed my perception on the hierarchy of importance as it pertains to what wins.
The QB group is 4th or 5th in the hierarchy. I can prove that with the overwhelming failure rate in the position. (Consistent in the cap era) IMO too much emphasis is place on the importance of the position and not the 3 groups the stats are suggesting should be. That narrative is out of sync with winning. Yeah, (I will get reply) BLAH BLAH...... There are Unicorn QBs, but the talent pool does not allow the other 28 teams to have that guy. Most likely the QB drafted will not be the liberator the current NFL's Hierarchy model needs him to be. In all regards he will fall into the OK category. If the 3 position groups mentioned are good. An OK QB is good enough.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 12, 2024 1:47:15 GMT -5
Detroit could be a 3rd option, since they should've beaten SF, in the playoffs, with smart coaching. They built around a good/solid, but not great QB, absolutely killed the draft for a few years, and hired a HC players will run through a wall for. Although they probably should've drafted a kicker?
Pittsburgh built around a rapist. 4th option?
The Purdy situation is pure luck. Mr. Irrelevant playing at an All-Pro level, at QB, likely never happens again. Not to mention, Drafting a GOAT QB seems to happen every 25ish years (Brady to Mahomes).
The Giants seem to want to let some of their best players walk, for nothing, for positional value, so doubtful they'll be building great/complete roster anytime soon...better shoot for the GOAT QB. On the bright side, they're not afraid to pay to keep a QB.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 12, 2024 2:33:19 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? You are not delusional. The KC Model is not really a model at all as their QB will be considered a top 5 QB of all time coupled with an offensive minded HC also headed to the HOF. That occurrence is a tremendous rarity and should not be a realistically targeted approach. What the 49ers did was try to do what KC did and failed at the QB spot and then got very, very lucky with Purdy. They built a very strong team on both sides of the ball and are run by a terrific offensive mind. The Giants have a good offensive minded coach without the players. So the quickest way to getting the players in their scenario would be to hopefully trade back only a few spots and accumulate day 2 picks and to make those Day 2 picks count. That might be a third scenario or a subset of your second scenario.
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Post by mart1212 on Apr 12, 2024 4:50:13 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model".  Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB.  If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? I agree completely with this way of building a team, build that team and insert qb. Only exception is a generational qb to fall in your lap which I donât see happening at pick 6. We have seen this with jones playing with a terrible roster around him.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 12, 2024 6:14:27 GMT -5
I still believe the tried-and-true method of team building begins with the O line, D line and Secondary. When those 3 aspects are stout, everything else is interchangeable. The Defense : A) A good secondary makes you pass rush effective. B) Pressure on the QB eliminates even the best Play makers. C) Squashing the Running game make the opponent predictable. The Offense: A) When the offensive Line can move bodies out of the way. You can run the ball with impunity. B) If the QB is allowed to let Routes developed. He will beat even the best pass defenders with #2 and # 3 WRs. All QBs coming out of the NCAA can throw the ball. All RBs can run the ball. All WRs can catch the ball. The rank-and-file good enough players. Or they would not have started on their respective Collage teams. There are 50 X more Ok player than Unicorns. That is the hard fact that is always disregarded, (build around the available talent pool and not wait for the freak of nature.) IMO (stats guy) Always build with OK, then build with a few Unicorn playmaker and I hope so on the O-D lines and secondary. Money (evenly dispersed) and your best draft picks (first 2 rounds) IMO should always be used on the 3 groups that the stats suggest. The rest, you just need "good enough" including the QB. I used to believe the prescribed mythology was the model. Start with the QB......... Stats have changed my perception on the hierarchy of importance as it pertains to what wins. The QB group is 3rd of 4th in the hierarchy. I can prove that with the overwhelming failure rate in the position. (Consistent in the cap era) IMO too much emphasis is place on the importance of the position and not the 3 groups the stats are suggesting should be. That narrative is out of sync with winning. Yeah, (I will get reply) BLAH BLAH...... There are Unicorn QBs, but the talent pool does not allow the other 28 teams to have that guy. Most likely the QB drafted will not be the liberator the current NFL's Hierarchy model needs him to be. In all regards he will fall into the OK category. If the 3 position groups mentioned are good. An OK QB is good enough. I'm with you on this one. Well stated.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 12, 2024 7:36:27 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model".  Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB.  If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? You are not delusional. The KC Model is not really a model at all as their QB will be considered a top 5 QB of all time coupled with an offensive minded HC also headed to the HOF.  That occurrence is a tremendous rarity and should not be a realistically targeted approach. What the 49ers did was try to do what KC did and failed at the QB spot and then got very, very lucky with Purdy.  They built a very strong team on both sides of the ball and are run by a terrific offensive mind. The Giants have a good offensive minded coach without the players.  So the quickest way to getting the players in their scenario would be to hopefully trade back only a few spots and accumulate day 2 picks and to make those Day 2 picks count. That might be a third scenario or a subset of your second scenario. This is not true. The SF model is used by GB, Rams, Miami and now Texans. It funny how all of them found QBs out of thin air at all spectrums of the QB skill levels. That Shanahan/Mcvay offensive system has figured out the profile needed to run that system. At mimnimum a qb with anticipation, timing and can use his legs will be able to run that offense. As you progress in arm strength less reliance is needed on YAC yards by skills position. It can be a weak armed as Purdy or strong armed as Stafford but the QBs just a piece. KC system is the same except they found a perfect QB for that system. Andy Reid has gotten to the playoffs with many different QBs. Pat Mahommes allows him to run his system perfectly with out relying on other player but I am sure if Pat gets injured that system will still find a way to win.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 12, 2024 7:45:13 GMT -5
the Giants are at plan L at this point since 2012ish
Nothing has worked. Year 3 for Schoen and Dabs. They need to totally go for the game manager process. Finding a good to great game manager is still difficult but easier than finding the next Mahomes. The "game manager" is tough description. I have watched enough of SFs game to see that Purdy is more than that.
They need to continue to build the team and IMO that is not picking another DJ at 6.
Then again I have no idea how to judge a college QB.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 12, 2024 8:21:02 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents, thereâs really only one way to build a team.
The âMahomesâ way really isnât a âwayâ any more than a lottery ticket is a way to plan for your financial future.
And the other thing to consider is the ultimate goal is to build a dynasty franchise. But thereâs a CLEAR progression in building that.
You go from a joke (Giants, Carolina), to a respectable team (Jaguars), to a consistent playoff team (Dallas), to a consistent contender for a conference championship (Buffalo).
You can speed through a couple of those steps but an extremely small number of teams leaps from joke to contender.
So I think the proverbial SF way is the only way, and it frankly increases your probability of getting lucky (Purdy).
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 12, 2024 8:25:26 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? 100% with you. This is the hand they are dealt right now.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 12, 2024 10:13:41 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? Not at all I suggested this also, they can be competitive and if they get to a draft that they love a guy at the top they do what the niners tried to do with Lance they had the roster and traded a lot of draft assets to get up and get him like a lot of these things it didn't wrk out, in came Purdy. Roster building isn't for any certain QB yo give who ever is back there what they need to win a #1 WR good OL a productive option at TE a Dynamic RB and a defense that can get the ball back to that offense. I think Jones could have won with that and they could have drafted a better option when his contract was up with a big trade up.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 12, 2024 10:30:49 GMT -5
Both models are the same. SF did everything they could to get a franchise QB and just happened to luck out in the 6th round.
You go nowhere without a QB. There is only one model.
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Post by mendy on Apr 12, 2024 10:32:56 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? You are not delusional. The KC Model is not really a model at all as their QB will be considered a top 5 QB of all time coupled with an offensive minded HC also headed to the HOF. That occurrence is a tremendous rarity and should not be a realistically targeted approach. What the 49ers did was try to do what KC did and failed at the QB spot and then got very, very lucky with Purdy. They built a very strong team on both sides of the ball and are run by a terrific offensive mind. The Giants have a good offensive minded coach without the players. So the quickest way to getting the players in their scenario would be to hopefully trade back only a few spots and accumulate day 2 picks and to make those Day 2 picks count. That might be a third scenario or a subset of your second scenario. Mahomes is all you say not arguing at all but he still hasn't done it all himself. Kelse and Andy Reid have had something to do with it I might add and as always Mahomes does not play Defense.
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Post by te88 on Apr 12, 2024 10:46:08 GMT -5
There is only one way.
2017 Chiefs were 10-6 with 2 all pros. Playoff team 2016 Chiefs were 12-4 with 5 all pros. Playoff team 2015 Chiefs were 11-5 with 3 all pros. Playoff team 2014 Chiefs were 9-7 with 2 all pros. Missed playoffs 2013 Chuefs were 11-5 with 5 all pros. Playoff team
Mahomes was not the starter until 2018.
You cannot build a team from nothing with a QB. It will fail. You must have a serviceable roster in place before bringing in a rookie QB.
KC was a legitimate playoff team with a great coach for 5 seasons before they let Mahomes start. AND they red shirted Mahomes.
KC and SF are the same. The difference is KC has a better QB, which will push you over the top. But you canât make it your âplanâ to find a great QB. There is no evidence NFL teams really know how to identify and develop QBs.
The effect of Andy Reid (probably the best QB coach in the history of the sport?) is also discounted.
You need a good overall roster.
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Post by idkaname on Apr 12, 2024 10:51:54 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? The KC model is mahomes? They had the best defense in the league last year...that's the model you want to emulate. Defense wins championships is and always will be true No coincidence that your other model is another top tier defense
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 12, 2024 10:55:33 GMT -5
This past Super Bowl showed us the two paths to building a team. 1. The KC Model Do everything you can do to get a great QB and let him overcome any other weaknesses on your team.....AKA Patrick Mahomes. 2. The SF Model Build a team through the draft on both sides of the ball and then bring in a game manager type QB who can get the ball to your playmakers, and minimize mistakes......AKA Brock Purdey. Both can work.....But what should we do? We don't have a great QB nor do we seem to have any real prospects to get one. So I say bring on the "SF Model". Our FO has had a fine off season it seems to me by bringing in solid O linemen. They traded for Brian Burns who is a monster on D. I say draft Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers and keep building our team outside the QB. If they can somehow find a good QB in the draft that would be great. But outside that, build the team and have a QB who can get the ball to our playmakers and minimize mistakes. Patrick Mahomes's don't grow on trees. I may be grasping at straws but I think this FO and coaching staff could pull it off. Am I delusional? The KC model is mahomes? They had the best defense in the league last year...that's the model you want to emulate. Defense wins championships is and always will be true No coincidence that your other model is another top tier defense The Chiefs won the last two SB's and gave up over 28 points per game in those two games. They scored over 30 per game.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 12, 2024 11:14:41 GMT -5
I mainly agree but want to add KC had multiple Hall of Famers on offense before Mahomes even got there...not sure how much he had to overcome. Mahomes probably fell to where he did become his college team was trash, he was not a winner in college.
Multiple ways to build a good team, it starts with adding good players...something we haven't been good at. SF and KC were both good before Mahomes and Purdy even got there.
Division rivals have been consistently beating us with 2nd round to undrafted QBs...outside of Washington...who was the only division rival that drafted a QB in the 1st round in the last 4-5 years and we beat them consistently.
It's team first, not QB first for me. Nick Foles is a Super Bowl MVP...let that sink in.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 12, 2024 11:24:58 GMT -5
Both are very good teams with very good coaches AND players.
KC won this year without their best teamâŠbut their entire run theyâve had great, game changing players on both sides of the ball.
You need the following: 1. Good coaches 2. A few game changing players on each side 3. Very few holes
Iâm not really sure the Giants have any of those right now.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 12, 2024 11:33:46 GMT -5
I think youâre putting the cart before the horse by believing our O line will be that much better. I realize you did say âseemsâ but I donât and wonât believe it until I see it. Every year for the past decade it âseemedâ our O line should be better than the year before and it has always been worse, the same (which is horrendous) or marginally better which is still bad.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 12, 2024 11:41:56 GMT -5
I think youâre putting the cart before the horse by believing our O line will be that much better. I realize you did say âseemsâ but I donât and wonât believe it until I see it. Every year for the past decade it âseemedâ our O line should be better than the year before and it has always been worse, the same (which is horrendous) or marginally better which is still bad. At some point it should become better. I like the vet additions and the new oline coach which didn't happen last off season so my hope is better then it's been in years. This issue has been over a decade long so I get the wait and see approach so I'm with you but with a small amount of positive about this season.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 12, 2024 11:42:25 GMT -5
I think youâre putting the cart before the horse by believing our O line will be that much better. I realize you did say âseemsâ but I donât and wonât believe it until I see it. Every year for the past decade it âseemedâ our O line should be better than the year before and it has always been worse, the same (which is horrendous) or marginally better which is still bad. agreed they are back to sucking until they dont
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Post by idkaname on Apr 12, 2024 11:46:15 GMT -5
The KC model is mahomes? They had the best defense in the league last year...that's the model you want to emulate. Defense wins championships is and always will be true No coincidence that your other model is another top tier defense The Chiefs won the last two SB's and gave up over 28 points per game in those two games. They scored over 30 per game. I said this year they had the best defense in the league and they allowed 22 points. Nice manipulation though, btw their defensive score vs the Eagles was also the difference (and stopped the Eagles)
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 12, 2024 12:08:49 GMT -5
KC was in the playoffs since 2012. They had a playoff roster and moved up from the 20s for a QB who sat for a year
The Giants have had barely two winning seasons since 2012.
The KC way?
Nevermind the 49er roster vs this Giants fiasco
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 12, 2024 12:15:48 GMT -5
I think youâre putting the cart before the horse by believing our O line will be that much better. I realize you did say âseemsâ but I donât and wonât believe it until I see it. Every year for the past decade it âseemedâ our O line should be better than the year before and it has always been worse, the same (which is horrendous) or marginally better which is still bad. At some point it should become better. I like the vet additions and the new oline coach which didn't happen last off season so my hope is better then it's been in years. This issue has been over a decade long so I get the wait and see approach so I'm with you but with a small amount of positive about this season. Yup it is basically this for me as well.
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