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Post by thrax on Apr 17, 2024 20:30:17 GMT -5
anything can happen
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 17, 2024 23:26:24 GMT -5
If they have a year like last quite possible Daboll is done. To try and cover up another bad coaching hire it's quite possible they hire Bellichick to add some headline appeal and appease some fans. The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over
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Post by mendy on Apr 18, 2024 3:51:12 GMT -5
If they have a year like last quite possible Daboll is done. To try and cover up another bad coaching hire it's quite possible they hire Bellichick to add some headline appeal and appease some fans. No, it's not.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 18, 2024 5:10:46 GMT -5
He’s the best coach ever. Not just because of Brady.
That said, for him to come here it would mean the Giants had another really bad year. Personally, I’m hoping for just the opposite. I’m hoping Daboll is the next Belichick.
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 18, 2024 5:22:42 GMT -5
If they have a year like last quite possible Daboll is done. To try and cover up another bad coaching hire it's quite possible they hire Bellichick to add some headline appeal and appease some fans. The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over I don't know if I would trust his assistant that he would designate.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 18, 2024 5:38:24 GMT -5
I think that's an overreaction to the immediate ending seasons post Brady in New England. Any team losing a Tom Brady at QB is going to fall off. It hit the reset button really. Add that to the fact as I said, BB is well past his prime as a HC too. I never really thought he was a good GM, so he missed on replacing TB, but in the times when Tom Brady wasn't the QB prior to him leaving, the Patriots were still a great team. I think they were 14-6 without Brady while he was still on the roster including an 11-5 season. He has to get credit there. He took average players and drained every ounce of talent from them. BB is/was a coaching GENIUS. He took advantage of everything he could. He flipped over every rock and rolled every stone to uncover new tactics to use during the season, and adjusted very quickly, creating a domino effect for other coaches to try to do the same things but never succeeding. There is no doubt TB carried that team as a player, but without BB, TB wouldn't have even made it in the NFL in my opinion. Brady didn't transform into TB12 until 4-5 years after he was drafted. Then, he certainly carried the team, and was paired up with the GOAT HC. Tampa Bay rebounded quickly after Brady left. Don't know if they can keep it up but they didn't fall off. Rebounded? Or just didn't fall flat on their face? They won 9 games last year. The NFC South was a joke. So while you are right, they did win their division, they also went from 15th, 2nd and 7th most offensive yards in Bradys 3 years there, to 23rd last year with Mayfield. And while the Bucs D was good the during Bradys run there, last years it was ranked much better than the previous 2 years under Brady (but not the SB year). Anyway, the TB Tom Brady situation was completely different than the NE Tom Brady situation. NE was leaning on him. TB caught the tail end of his career and supplied him with talent all around. Also interesting is, the year prior to TB going there, Winston led the Bucs to the 3rd highest scoring and yardage offense in the NFL. So Brady definitely went to a legit contender already.
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Post by mendy on Apr 18, 2024 6:41:59 GMT -5
LOL, what if Belicheck likes Jones?
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Post by miggs on Apr 18, 2024 6:52:40 GMT -5
Looking for a Daboll personality transformation on the sidelines as he's been told to tone it down. .Believe we'll see a calm and collected Daboll. We'll see how long that lasts.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 18, 2024 8:51:19 GMT -5
LOL, what if Belicheck likes Jones? He’s old.. Not dumb.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 18, 2024 9:10:59 GMT -5
as he's been told to tone it down.. By who? You? lol
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 18, 2024 9:22:24 GMT -5
Yeah…no thanks, Bill is a great defensive mind but I think he’s been exposed without Brady. He wants too much control and I think his age is something to be concerned about. Maybe, maaaaybe, if we already had a solid roster and QB in place then he would be a decent hire but I still think the younger, more innovative coaches would be better. This does have cowgirls stank written all over it though. They have a decent roster, it’s probably lame duck year for MM and Jerrah would hire BB just for all the attention and ratings it would bring to the cowboys, just like he did with Parcells. The only caveat is both of them would have to set aside their egos to even have a chance at making it work. Jerry has recently been on record saying he has a lot of respect for BB and thinks highly of him for whatever that’s worth. I agree Vin, if any of these teams are aa landing spot for BB it's Dallas. Though I think eventually Jerry and Bill would crash head on. But Jerry lasted a few years with Parcells. And BB is only gonna have a 4-5 year run anyway imo. But that might be enough to make a run at a SB. Dallas is going to be definitely a weaker team than last year. Might not even be a playoff team. Plus this is McCarthy's last year of his contract. You would think Dak, Lamb, and Parsons are must signings and they will all be expensive. Dak may be expendable at 50-60 mil a year but then what ? BB would build that defense around Parsons and Diggs. But they need OL so bad all they have is Zak Martin, a great OL (Guard), no RB, no 2nd WR. All that has to be fixed this year. I think they go OL with their 1st rd pick at #24. ! of the 7-8 OT's going in the 1st rd. Possibly as many as 10 OT's in the 1st rd this year. Some might play Guard in the NFL.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 18, 2024 9:47:14 GMT -5
If they have a year like last quite possible Daboll is done. To try and cover up another bad coaching hire it's quite possible they hire Bellichick to add some headline appeal and appease some fans. The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over Hulk I don't know about BB with his assists. I can't think of a single one that's been successful. We already had one of his assist in Judge remember that F up. I think he is too old (72).
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 18, 2024 9:56:08 GMT -5
The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over Hulk I don't know about BB with his assists. I can't think of a single one that's been successful. We already had one of his assist in Judge remember that F up. I think he is too old (72). Too old?
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Post by Martin on Apr 18, 2024 10:21:07 GMT -5
Hulk I don't know about BB with his assists. I can't think of a single one that's been successful. We already had one of his assist in Judge remember that F up. I think he is too old (72). Too old? Oldest coaches in NFL history were 72 yrs. Unless you count Romeo Crennel (73) *
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 18, 2024 11:02:26 GMT -5
Too old? Oldest coaches in NFL history were 72 yrs. Unless you count Romeo Crennel (73) * Hey he'd be "The Kid" if he ran for President. LOL, Too young for President too old for a football coach.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 18, 2024 11:03:38 GMT -5
The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over I don't know if I would trust his assistant that he would designate. The fact that the assistant would be in house, means that FO and players can evaluate right away..... Unless you want to use blind faith like we did on judge...
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 18, 2024 11:06:38 GMT -5
The reason I would want bellichick, is because he can stabilize the team. He won't care about ruffling feathers with the Front office. I would alsoinsist he bring along an up and coming assistant to develop to take over Hulk I don't know about BB with his assists. I can't think of a single one that's been successful. We already had one of his assist in Judge remember that F up. I think he is too old (72). Brian Flores....Brian Daboll Al Groh 9 7 0 .563 2000 Nick Saban
15 17 0 .469 2005-06 Romeo Crennel
32 63 0 .337 2005-08, 2011-12, 2020 Eric Mangini 33 47 0 .413 2006-10 Josh McDaniels 20 33 0 .377 2009-10, 2022-23 Bill O'Brien
52 48 0 .520 2014-20 Matt Patricia 13 29 1 .310 2018-20 Brian Flores
24 25 0 .490 2019-21 Those were decent coaches, with bad teams IMO
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 18, 2024 20:00:02 GMT -5
Hulk I don't know about BB with his assists. I can't think of a single one that's been successful. We already had one of his assist in Judge remember that F up. I think he is too old (72). Brian Flores....Brian Daboll Al Groh 9 7 0 .563 2000 Nick Saban
15 17 0 .469 2005-06 Romeo Crennel
32 63 0 .337 2005-08, 2011-12, 2020 Eric Mangini 33 47 0 .413 2006-10 Josh McDaniels 20 33 0 .377 2009-10, 2022-23 Bill O'Brien
52 48 0 .520 2014-20 Matt Patricia 13 29 1 .310 2018-20 Brian Flores
24 25 0 .490 2019-21 Those were decent coaches, with bad teams IMO That was good work Hulk. You did a good job. OK what was there 1 winning record Bill O'Brian, actually some of the records were better than I thought. I hadn't looked anything up it was off the top of my head. But there certainly weren't any of them that had what you would call a successful tenure with a team. Playoffs or Championships. P.S. You forgot Charlie Weiss
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 19, 2024 8:48:45 GMT -5
Brian Flores....Brian Daboll Al Groh 9 7 0 .563 2000 Nick Saban
15 17 0 .469 2005-06 Romeo Crennel
32 63 0 .337 2005-08, 2011-12, 2020 Eric Mangini 33 47 0 .413 2006-10 Josh McDaniels 20 33 0 .377 2009-10, 2022-23 Bill O'Brien
52 48 0 .520 2014-20 Matt Patricia 13 29 1 .310 2018-20 Brian Flores
24 25 0 .490 2019-21 Those were decent coaches, with bad teams IMO That was good work Hulk. You did a good job. OK what was there 1 winning record Bill O'Brian, actually some of the records were better than I thought. I hadn't looked anything up it was off the top of my head. But there certainly weren't any of them that had what you would call a successful tenure with a team. Playoffs or Championships. P.S. You forgot Charlie Weiss Technically, I would call Weiss and Crennel Parcell's tree guys because they were with the Giants in 1990 during that Superbowl, the same year as Coughlin.
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Post by Martin on Apr 19, 2024 9:30:15 GMT -5
Oldest coaches in NFL history were 72 yrs. Unless you count Romeo Crennel (73) * Hey he'd be "The Kid" if he ran for President. LOL, Too young for President too old for a football coach. What a ticket that would be. Bill Belichick / Aaron Rogers
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 19, 2024 10:45:54 GMT -5
The Giants and BB missed a window of opportunity after the '90 SB. He accepted the Cleveland job before Parcells quit. Many believe Parcell's did that on purpose, so that we couldn't replace him with BB. Then Parcell's recommended Hanley to us as a parting FU to George Young. Hanley was the worst HC, ever. In any case, the die was cast and the timing never worked out properly to snag BB, before his long run in NE. BB loved the Giants, and the Giant brass and fans loved BB. Too bad.
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 19, 2024 11:04:10 GMT -5
The Giants and BB missed a window of opportunity after the '90 SB. He accepted the Cleveland job before Parcells quit. Many believe Parcell's did that on purpose, so that we couldn't replace him with BB. Then Parcell's recommended Hanley to us as a parting FU to George Young. H anley was the worst HC, ever.In any case, the die was cast and the timing never worked out properly to snag BB, before his long run in NE. BB loved the Giants, and the Giant brass and fans loved BB. Too bad. The crazy thing...he had a .438 winning percentage....Joe Judge had a .303 yeesh. But, to your point, he did lose with some of the best Giants offensive and defensive players still on the roster.
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 19, 2024 11:38:59 GMT -5
The Giants and BB missed a window of opportunity after the '90 SB. He accepted the Cleveland job before Parcells quit. Many believe Parcell's did that on purpose, so that we couldn't replace him with BB. Then Parcell's recommended Hanley to us as a parting FU to George Young. H anley was the worst HC, ever.In any case, the die was cast and the timing never worked out properly to snag BB, before his long run in NE. BB loved the Giants, and the Giant brass and fans loved BB. Too bad. The crazy thing...he had a .438 winning percentage....Joe Judge had a .303 yeesh. But, to your point, he did lose with some of the best Giants offensive and defensive players still on the roster. We were 13-3 with the '90 superbowl champs. Handley took that team, with essentially the same starters as in '90, and went 8-8... then to 6-10 in '92.... again, with a similar team of excellent veterans. Those teams played nowhere near their potential.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2024 13:07:53 GMT -5
The crazy thing...he had a .438 winning percentage....Joe Judge had a .303 yeesh. But, to your point, he did lose with some of the best Giants offensive and defensive players still on the roster. We were 13-3 with the '90 superbowl champs. Handley took that team, with essentially the same starters as in '90, and went 8-8... then to 6-10 in '92.... again, with a similar team of excellent veterans. Those teams played nowhere near their potential. and after getting fired, Dan Reeves took them right back to the playoffs...
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