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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5
Minny giving 3 #1's the 11th pick this year and the 1st rd picks in 2025 and 2026. They keep the other 1st rd pick at #23. They either use it or trade back for 2 or 3 2nd rd picks in the next couple drafts. Minny doesn't have a 2nd rd pick thiis year. By doing this they don't have a 1st rd pick in the next 2 years but they have 2 2nd rd picks each year. A lot of scenarios but Minny wants a QB. There are so many different opinions by all these so called people in the know. Hell they might stand pat at #11 and take Michael Pennix. It's going to be fun I like McCarthy, but nobody is giving up three #1 picks for him. I agree, but this is what I'm reading it's going to take for Minny to move to #4 from #11. And it might not work because Ariz. could miss all 3 top stud WR's at #11 and might not do it anyway. 3 first rd picks and you turn it down, whoa boy ! Damn they want that WR. Minny is desperate for a QB, my guess they go for Pennix at #11 and keep they're draft picks.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2024 9:33:38 GMT -5
Minny giving 3 #1's the 11th pick this year and the 1st rd picks in 2025 and 2026. They keep the other 1st rd pick at #23. They either use it or trade back for 2 or 3 2nd rd picks in the next couple drafts. Minny doesn't have a 2nd rd pick thiis year. By doing this they don't have a 1st rd pick in the next 2 years but they have 2 2nd rd picks each year. A lot of scenarios but Minny wants a QB. There are so many different opinions by all these so called people in the know. Hell they might stand pat at #11 and take Michael Pennix. It's going to be fun Just a reminder the NFL has never had 4 QBs taken 1-4 in the draft. I highly doubt this is the year for it. I'd love to be wrong though.
They can probably sit tight at 11 and take JJ McCarthy. Barring someone else trading up it's the Cards, Chargers, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Bears and Jets. Outside of us no one there is even thinking QB.
But #11 through #13 are thinking QB's. Minny, Den., and L.V. I think at least 2 of those teams go QB. That's 5 QB's in the first 13. I don't think 4 QB's ever went in the top 10. I believe Rosen was #11. And that year 5 QB's did go in the 1st rd with the Ravens coming back in for Jackson at pick #32. This 1st rd is going to be wild imo not only 5 QB's but 7 or more LT's, my guess possibly as many as 8 or 9. Plus at least 5 or 6 WR's. 3 positions dominating over half of the 1st rd. This 1st rd of the draft "All Gas - No Brakes". Plus I think a record number of 1st rd trades.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2024 11:21:51 GMT -5
Love this. When I see the suggested comp for #4 its ridiculously low compared to MHJ for a team that’s pretty desperate for a WR. The only way they trade that pick is if the NFL is laughing at their trading partner as being out of their minds. I just do not see the logical motivation to move up into the top 5 for what will likely be the 4th QB taken off the board. The best of the best 2004 and 1983 only had 4 QBs combined taken in the top 10 picks. 1 of them was a bust. There is no way there will be more than 2 in this class that will be playing in 2028 with their original team or designated as a backup. IMO: IF JJ McCarthy is taken in the top 20 picks he won't make it through his rookie contract I want some of what you’re smoking because that opinion is a sign you’re hammered 😎 or living under a rock.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2024 11:37:12 GMT -5
The comparing of what to do about a player in this draft because a bad outcome happened when another player at the same position in a similar draft spot wasn’t successful years ago is one of the dumbest means of analyzing a player.
People bringing up Tony Easom and Tim Tebow to justify not taking JJ or any other QB for that matter is about as lame of an analysis as the border is secure.
Easom was drafted 41 years ago - Tebow 14 years ago.
Thank goodness the majority on this board don’t hang their sack on that process.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2024 11:43:09 GMT -5
Equating Tebow and McCarthy as prospects reveals a serious lack of knowledge about Tebow, McCarthy and football. I will ask you the same question that so far, I have not received an answer for. It is not a baited question. It is a simple question that all fans should be asking themselves. I can assume with the utmost certainty it has been asked when filling out the draft board. What has JJ McCarthy done in a game that screams Wow? No one can answer that question or has. Me, I cannot answer it. Can't find anything. Nada..... When I say wow. He took control of the game and was the brightest star in the sky. Now if that question cannot be answered. The next question that should be asked. Why is he a Top 4-6 pick in the draft? Me I see the same stats as Tom Brady in Michigan. (almost a mirror). He was a 6th round pick and rightfully so. He had zero accomplishments in the NCAA. The Wolverines gave the NFL their unpolished gem of a lifetime. There Ain't gonna be 2. If that is what the NFL word is really thinking. The second coming of TB. That is just hilarious. www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jj-mccarthy-1.htmlAnswer the question if you can. Last 2 Seasons. Michael Penix Jr. 9544 yards 65 TDs Caleb Williams 8170 yards 72 TDs Drake Maye 7929 yards 62 TDs Jayden Daniels 6725 yards 57 TDs Bo Nix 8101 Yards 74 TDs Spencer Rattler 6212 yards 37 TDsJJ McCarthy 5710 yards 44 TDsMichael Pratt 5415 yards 49 TDS
I am spot on with my assessment. He is a late day 2 ,day 3 pick. You equated Tebow and McCarthy as prospects. Your assessment is about as far from “spot on” as you can get
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 12:07:33 GMT -5
I will ask you the same question that so far, I have not received an answer for. It is not a baited question. It is a simple question that all fans should be asking themselves. I can assume with the utmost certainty it has been asked when filling out the draft board. What has JJ McCarthy done in a game that screams Wow? No one can answer that question or has. Me, I cannot answer it. Can't find anything. Nada..... When I say wow. He took control of the game and was the brightest star in the sky. Now if that question cannot be answered. The next question that should be asked. Why is he a Top 4-6 pick in the draft? Me I see the same stats as Tom Brady in Michigan. (almost a mirror). He was a 6th round pick and rightfully so. He had zero accomplishments in the NCAA. The Wolverines gave the NFL their unpolished gem of a lifetime. There Ain't gonna be 2. If that is what the NFL word is really thinking. The second coming of TB. That is just hilarious. www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jj-mccarthy-1.htmlAnswer the question if you can. Last 2 Seasons. Michael Penix Jr. 9544 yards 65 TDs Caleb Williams 8170 yards 72 TDs Drake Maye 7929 yards 62 TDs Jayden Daniels 6725 yards 57 TDs Bo Nix 8101 Yards 74 TDs Spencer Rattler 6212 yards 37 TDsJJ McCarthy 5710 yards 44 TDsMichael Pratt 5415 yards 49 TDS
I am spot on with my assessment. He is a late day 2 ,day 3 pick. You equated Tebow and McCarthy as prospects. Your assessment is about as far from “spot on” as you can get Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 12:10:08 GMT -5
I just do not see the logical motivation to move up into the top 5 for what will likely be the 4th QB taken off the board. The best of the best 2004 and 1983 only had 4 QBs combined taken in the top 10 picks. 1 of them was a bust. There is no way there will be more than 2 in this class that will be playing in 2028 with their original team or designated as a backup. IMO: IF JJ McCarthy is taken in the top 20 picks he won't make it through his rookie contract I want some of what you’re smoking because that opinion is a sign you’re hammered 😎 or living under a rock. I will ask you the same question that no one can answer. What has JJ McCarthy done in a game that screams wow? The kind of wow that suggests he was the best player on the field in that game.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 12:59:50 GMT -5
I mentioned in another thread that Arizona’s GM has sent a warning shot, his pick doesn’t really sound that much in play. He said he considers his pick the 1st pick in the draft because the picks above are basically set. He said he expects 1st overall compensation for that pick, and 1st overall compensation is never reasonable/fair compensation. He’s basically signalling that he’s only willing to part with his pick if he’s ripping off his trade partner (smart). I think that means they absolutely love Harrison Jr which means the comp has to be so good they’re happy to see him play for another team. So this is a big deal. If Arizona isn’t willing to pick at 10 or below without the price being ridiculous (eg: three 1sts plus significant second day picks) , the only tradable pick may be the Chargers. So here’s the question: Pick your fav QB (Maye Daniels JJ), what’s the most you would give to move up to 5 to guarantee he’s yours? Likely the last of the top 4 QBs available, what’s too much to draft your fav QB of those three? not a ****ing thing I'm staying at 6 or ripping someone else off and moving down...............
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2024 13:31:46 GMT -5
You equated Tebow and McCarthy as prospects. Your assessment is about as far from “spot on” as you can get Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it. What does that question have to do with you comparing Tebow and McCarthy as prospects?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:01:19 GMT -5
That's nonsense, because there's no question he'll drafted in the top 20 and he will absolutely at worst, make it through his rookie contract. Go look at the percentage of any player taken that high who are released during their rookie contracts. He is comparable to Tim Tebow a game manager nothing more. That does not cut it in the top 20 You Know what the Tebow correlation even more hilarious Tebow had better NCAA stats (A better QB) www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tim-tebow-1.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jj-mccarthy-1.htmlThis is where numbers don't tell the whole story JJ has some talent just there is a lot of projection with him because of the offense he was in I would be happy if we could get him clean at 6. Wouldn't be upset if they traded up one spot for him if it was reasonable.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:12:19 GMT -5
I like McCarthy, but nobody is giving up three #1 picks for him. I agree, but this is what I'm reading it's going to take for Minny to move to #4 from #11. And it might not work because Ariz. could miss all 3 top stud WR's at #11 and might not do it anyway. 3 first rd picks and you turn it down, whoa boy ! Damn they want that WR. Minny is desperate for a QB, my guess they go for Pennix at #11 and keep they're draft picks. AZ will need a really sweet deal to move they have ton of draft capital they can get the best player in this draft at 4 with out moving. These QBs by value and grade are not the top 4 players maybe Caleb is between 1 and 3 after that Daniels is Lamar light because he doesn't have the arm or the Wiggle, Maye and McCarthy have developing to do all 3 WRs are in the top 5 and maybe Alt.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 14:24:31 GMT -5
Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it. What does that question have to do with you comparing Tebow and McCarthy as prospects? Let me "splane". You said i am wrong. Tebow never took control of a game either. I stand by what I say..
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 14:28:40 GMT -5
This is where numbers don't tell the whole story JJ has some talent just there is a lot of projection with him because of the offense he was in I would be happy if we could get him clean at 6. Wouldn't be upset if they traded up one spot for him if it was reasonable. The word projection is in itself a red flag at the top of the draft.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:51:06 GMT -5
This is where numbers don't tell the whole story JJ has some talent just there is a lot of projection with him because of the offense he was in I would be happy if we could get him clean at 6. Wouldn't be upset if they traded up one spot for him if it was reasonable. The word projection is in itself a red flag at the top of the drat. Every player there is projection my friend even the #1 pick thats why a good GM is 50%.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 15:03:28 GMT -5
The word projection is in itself a red flag at the top of the drat. Every player there is projection my friend even the #1 pick thats why a good GM is 50%. With a QB you better be sure. If you are guessing. Your probably getting fired in the not to distant future.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 21, 2024 15:34:05 GMT -5
You equated Tebow and McCarthy as prospects. Your assessment is about as far from “spot on” as you can get Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it. You can’t base opinions on stats alone in football. This is exactly why. People can answer your question, they just can’t be bothered with such a ridiculous take. Off the top of my head, the plays against OSU and Wisconsin Nebraska made me say wow. This has nothing to do with how different McCarthy and Tebow are as prospects.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 16:04:51 GMT -5
Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it. You can’t base opinions on stats alone in football. This is exactly why. People can answer your question, they just can’t be bothered with such a ridiculous take. Off the top of my head, the plays against OSU and Wisconsin made me say wow. This has nothing to do with how different McCarthy and Tebow are as prospects. Against OSU he had 30 attempts for 18 and completions and 1 TD 60%. Every QB in this draft has a 60% completion ratio and can throw a single TD pass. Even the later round QBs That doesn't scream took control of the game. Um Michigan didn't play Wisconsin in 2023 fbschedules.com/2023-michigan-football-schedule/And did not play them in 2022 either. www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/130/season/2022I had to look that up. I thought they didn't play Wisconsin. Hay, but what does the stats guy know? He's the ridiculous one.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 16:22:23 GMT -5
Every player there is projection my friend even the #1 pick thats why a good GM is 50%. With a QB you better be sure. If you are guessing. Your probably getting fired in the not to distant future. No one is sure they have conviction these kids don't come ready to win in the NFL it is learned not every player lands on team with the bets offensive coach in recent history with a play off ready roster. Add greta prospect and you are a dynasty.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 16:29:22 GMT -5
With a QB you better be sure. If you are guessing. Your probably getting fired in the not to distant future. No one is sure they have conviction these kids don't come ready to win in the NFL it is learned not every player lands on team with the bets offensive coach in recent history with a play off ready roster. Add greta prospect and you are a dynasty. I am not saying he is undrftable. My algorithm that I applied to every player in the 1st round has him at 15. Me I think that is too high. But unlike me the software is unbiased.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 21, 2024 16:51:59 GMT -5
You can’t base opinions on stats alone in football. This is exactly why. People can answer your question, they just can’t be bothered with such a ridiculous take. Off the top of my head, the plays against OSU and Wisconsin made me say wow. This has nothing to do with how different McCarthy and Tebow are as prospects. Against OSU he had 30 attempts for 18 and completions and 1 TD 60%. Every QB in this draft has a 60% completion ratio and can throw a single TD pass. Even the later round QBs That doesn't scream took control of the game. Um Michigan didn't play Wisconsin in 2023 fbschedules.com/2023-michigan-football-schedule/And did not play them in 2022 either. www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/130/season/2022I had to look that up. I thought they didn't play Wisconsin. Hay, but what does the stats guy know? He's the ridiculous one. Sorry, it was Nebraska not Wisconsin. Your take is ridiculous, not you. I actually think some of the information you’re able to provide the MB is cool and useful, but this take is just bad. It’s absolutely incorrect. Nothing about either players game resembles the other. Literally nothing.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2024 17:11:06 GMT -5
this all doesnt matter because the NYGs are not picking JJ at 6 and it would be ludicrous to trade up for him. They will go WR at 6 or trade down.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 17:14:13 GMT -5
Sorry, it was Nebraska not Wisconsin. Your take is ridiculous, not you. I actually think some of the information you’re able to provide the MB is cool and useful, but this take is just bad. It’s absolutely incorrect. Nothing about either players game resembles the other. Literally nothing. No it is on point. Spencer Rattler has better stats. He is a day 3 pick. He has never taken control of a game. That should scare any of the teams that need a QB in the top 15 picks. If we draft him . We're picking a younger version of who we are replacing.
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 21, 2024 18:55:19 GMT -5
Arizona and Chargers, can trade with Raiders, Vikings or Broncos. But, it will take either team out of the top 10 , which means NO Harrison, Nabers, Odunze or Alt. They can settle for Brian Thomas , A. Mitchell [ Receiver ] or Fuaga OT. A trade with the Giants will get them an extra pick or two, plus guarantee a top three receiver or Alt. Bingo. Now can Arizona get back into the top 10? Yeah, probably. But they also have to accept the risk that they can’t and be happy with the picks. Or they just pick MHJ and be happy with that. The point is Arizona staying put really moves the board in our favour. I think they secretly want odunze but want to trade down to get as much draft assets as possible
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 19:31:30 GMT -5
No one is sure they have conviction these kids don't come ready to win in the NFL it is learned not every player lands on team with the bets offensive coach in recent history with a play off ready roster. Add greta prospect and you are a dynasty. I am not saying he is undrftable. My algorithm that I applied to every player in the 1st round has him at 15. Me I think that is too high. But unlike me the software is unbiased. I like it 15 to 20 sounds about right there all gonna get over drafted.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2024 19:36:19 GMT -5
Just a reminder the NFL has never had 4 QBs taken 1-4 in the draft. I highly doubt this is the year for it. I'd love to be wrong though.
They can probably sit tight at 11 and take JJ McCarthy. Barring someone else trading up it's the Cards, Chargers, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Bears and Jets. Outside of us no one there is even thinking QB.
But #11 through #13 are thinking QB's. Minny, Den., and L.V. I think at least 2 of those teams go QB. That's 5 QB's in the first 13. I don't think 4 QB's ever went in the top 10. I believe Rosen was #11. And that year 5 QB's did go in the 1st rd with the Ravens coming back in for Jackson at pick #32. This 1st rd is going to be wild imo not only 5 QB's but 7 or more LT's, my guess possibly as many as 8 or 9. Plus at least 5 or 6 WR's. 3 positions dominating over half of the 1st rd. This 1st rd of the draft "All Gas - No Brakes". Plus I think a record number of 1st rd trades. I'm not saying JJ will definitely fall to 11, but unless someone trades up he will. I'm just not sure that the Vikings will (or should) trade the farm to move up to 4 to get him. If the Cardinals are asking that much it might not be worth it since they can move up to 7 and most likely get him. Maybe the Chargers at 5 want less. Just seems the Cards are a bad trade option right now, but teams seem to be looking to move up.
I don't think 7 or more LTs go in round 1, not even a chance. Fashanu and Alt for sure. Mims, Latham and Fuaga are RTs. I don't think any other OTs are for sure going in round 1.
I can't wait for this draft though. Stud WR is going to be there at 6 for sure.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2024 20:39:01 GMT -5
But #11 through #13 are thinking QB's. Minny, Den., and L.V. I think at least 2 of those teams go QB. That's 5 QB's in the first 13. I don't think 4 QB's ever went in the top 10. I believe Rosen was #11. And that year 5 QB's did go in the 1st rd with the Ravens coming back in for Jackson at pick #32. This 1st rd is going to be wild imo not only 5 QB's but 7 or more LT's, my guess possibly as many as 8 or 9. Plus at least 5 or 6 WR's. 3 positions dominating over half of the 1st rd. This 1st rd of the draft "All Gas - No Brakes". Plus I think a record number of 1st rd trades. I'm not saying JJ will definitely fall to 11, but unless someone trades up he will. I'm just not sure that the Vikings will (or should) trade the farm to move up to 4 to get him. If the Cardinals are asking that much it might not be worth it since they can move up to 7 and most likely get him. Maybe the Chargers at 5 want less. Just seems the Cards are a bad trade option right now, but teams seem to be looking to move up.
I don't think 7 or more LTs go in round 1, not even a chance. Fashanu and Alt for sure. Mims, Latham and Fuaga are RTs. I don't think any other OTs are for sure going in round 1.
I can't wait for this draft though. Stud WR is going to be there at 6 for sure.
Mike I think the Cards are going to get calls from Minny and Denver, possibly even us and Vegas. Thank you Mike I should have said OT's instead of LT's. But 7 OT's is quite possible. I think Alt and Fashanu go in the top 10. Fuaga, Fautanu, Lathum, Mims, and Guyton are all almost certainly going in the 1st rd. Barton also more than likely. Sumatia and Morgan have a real shot as a 1st rd pick imo. Paul has an outside chance of being a 1st rd pick also I believe. I think it's going to be wild. 3 positions (QB, OT, WR) at least half of the first 32 picks.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2024 20:39:45 GMT -5
But #11 through #13 are thinking QB's. Minny, Den., and L.V. I think at least 2 of those teams go QB. That's 5 QB's in the first 13. I don't think 4 QB's ever went in the top 10. I believe Rosen was #11. And that year 5 QB's did go in the 1st rd with the Ravens coming back in for Jackson at pick #32. This 1st rd is going to be wild imo not only 5 QB's but 7 or more LT's, my guess possibly as many as 8 or 9. Plus at least 5 or 6 WR's. 3 positions dominating over half of the 1st rd. This 1st rd of the draft "All Gas - No Brakes". Plus I think a record number of 1st rd trades. I'm not saying JJ will definitely fall to 11, but unless someone trades up he will. I'm just not sure that the Vikings will (or should) trade the farm to move up to 4 to get him. If the Cardinals are asking that much it might not be worth it since they can move up to 7 and most likely get him. Maybe the Chargers at 5 want less. Just seems the Cards are a bad trade option right now, but teams seem to be looking to move up.
I don't think 7 or more LTs go in round 1, not even a chance. Fashanu and Alt for sure. Mims, Latham and Fuaga are RTs. I don't think any other OTs are for sure going in round 1.
I can't wait for this draft though. Stud WR is going to be there at 6 for sure.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 21, 2024 20:41:12 GMT -5
But #11 through #13 are thinking QB's. Minny, Den., and L.V. I think at least 2 of those teams go QB. That's 5 QB's in the first 13. I don't think 4 QB's ever went in the top 10. I believe Rosen was #11. And that year 5 QB's did go in the 1st rd with the Ravens coming back in for Jackson at pick #32. This 1st rd is going to be wild imo not only 5 QB's but 7 or more LT's, my guess possibly as many as 8 or 9. Plus at least 5 or 6 WR's. 3 positions dominating over half of the 1st rd. This 1st rd of the draft "All Gas - No Brakes". Plus I think a record number of 1st rd trades. I'm not saying JJ will definitely fall to 11, but unless someone trades up he will. I'm just not sure that the Vikings will (or should) trade the farm to move up to 4 to get him. If the Cardinals are asking that much it might not be worth it since they can move up to 7 and most likely get him. Maybe the Chargers at 5 want less. Just seems the Cards are a bad trade option right now, but teams seem to be looking to move up.
I don't think 7 or more LTs go in round 1, not even a chance. Fashanu and Alt for sure. Mims, Latham and Fuaga are RTs. I don't think any other OTs are for sure going in round 1.
I can't wait for this draft though. Stud WR is going to be there at 6 for sure.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 22, 2024 4:51:40 GMT -5
Again, the question goes unanswered. That alone quantifies it. You can’t base opinions on stats alone in football. This is exactly why. People can answer your question, they just can’t be bothered with such a ridiculous take. Off the top of my head, the plays against OSU and Wisconsin made me say wow. This has nothing to do with how different McCarthy and Tebow are as prospects. As they say there is a lot of meat on the bone with JJ Tebow the bone was clean he was what he was. The impressive thing with those games we know what OSU is and was they are good but Wisconsin had Jim Leonard running there D a Rex Ryan disciple they were one of the better defenses in the country running a Wink type of D he had no issue with it. Kid is young and he has something it is up to the NFL people to figure it out will he get over drafted yes but so will Daniels and Maye and almost anyone not named Caleb that plays QB, unless your name is Rattler he will get under drafted and is probably is one of the best bets of the second tier QBs. I'm a second chance kind of guy especially when everything fans are worried about happened in High school and his freshman year.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 22, 2024 5:37:45 GMT -5
You can’t base opinions on stats alone in football. This is exactly why. People can answer your question, they just can’t be bothered with such a ridiculous take. Off the top of my head, the plays against OSU and Wisconsin made me say wow. This has nothing to do with how different McCarthy and Tebow are as prospects. As they say there is a lot of meat on the bone with JJ eyebrow the bone was clean he was what he was. The impressive thing with those games we know what OSU is and was they are good but Wisconsin had Jim Leonard running there D a Rex Ryan disciple they were one of the better defenses in the country running a Wink type of D he had no issue with it. Kid is young and he has something it is up to the NFL people to figure it out will he get over drafted yes but so will Daniels and Maye and almost anyone not named Caleb that plays QB, unless your name is Rattler he will get under drafted and is probably is one of the best bets of the second tier QBs. I'm a second chance kind of guy especially when everything fans are worried about happened in High school and his freshman year. I heard him discuss that on one of the draft shows a few weeks ago. Sounds like he's grown a lot since those incidents (who doesn't say/do dumb things when you're 17/18!!). I'd be ok if we took him as a day 3 prospect, along with the kid from Florida State (he was playing great last seaon before breaking his leg), Pratt or Milton.
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