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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 21, 2024 15:49:59 GMT -5
Ritchie James had the highest catch rate of all WRs that year. Imagine how less productive Jones would have been without him? James blows So does Jones. Doesn't change the fact James basically caught everything his way which helped Jones to his "banner" year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 16:11:35 GMT -5
That is all correct Jones has had bottom half play makers for his whole career here bottom 3rd OL and has taken it all, if people think some one else comes here and develops during this miserable 5 years stretch I can say with 98% certainty they are more than likely wrong. Jones was not gifted with a playoff team or a decent OL or a good defense or even top half play makers and none of that changed over 5 years. He has some blame yes but most of it is on the Giants other QBs should be glad Reese was not a wheeler and dealer they could have been living this QB nightmare. That said the damage is done Daniel will have at least part of this year to fight to finish his contract maybe if they draft Nabors or Odunze and learn to block he can do something, make no mistake I want the QB but think we are getting shut out of the top 4 and don't have much interest in 5 through 7 unless it's rd3 or later. IMO, I feel like teams give QBs the 💰 to perform even in adverse conditions. If a team doesn't believe that the QB can rise above these conditions, why even pay him that kind of jack? I just don't want to hear about the lack of support when a player gets a big money contract. Once the QB gets that big payday, the excuses are immaterial. In our case, it is going on 6 years. If the answer hasn't been determined by now about whether he is the guy, that question is already answered. Posting a highlight reel doesn't change the argument either way. Not defending the player but if a team doesn't support that player and give him a good team to play with and good coaches to teach him and a good support system, it's on the Giants when there is no OL no #1 WR and a revolving door at OL coach and head coach thats on them that they paid him. They need to build this team up a bit there are no excuses but there is plenty of blame and that starts with the organization if they can't get it right around the player let him go and draft your team up before they ruin another career and wast another premium pick.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 16:19:08 GMT -5
Exactly and he is back to kick return duties in KC. We have not had the strongest group of play makers here over the last 5 or 6 years. When it comes down to it, this should not have to be pointed out. We have some that think that every team and situation is created equally it's just not true even the best QBs might be in a different place without a decent OL and some weapons tae can make it happen. Actually it isn't worth pointing out because the only ones that matter is the Giants brass and hopefully they see it that way for Jones and the next QB because it would be a shame to waste the draft capital again just to not have the support from team to coaches in place to help a kid grow
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 21, 2024 16:33:39 GMT -5
The Beach Boys recorded a song written by Charles Manson, but I don't think that's what he will be remembered for.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2024 17:16:07 GMT -5
he convinced me in 2022 that he was seeing the game better. Hardly ever looked spooked etc. Yeah the numbers were not great but he "lead" the team in nearly every game.
In 2023 his shit himself IMO. After that I feel he is just not going to be a consistently good starting NFL QB. His is also injury prone.
Unless he stays healthy and lights its up this season he will be gone in 2025. Thats a tall order for Jones.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2024 17:26:47 GMT -5
The Beach Boys recorded a song written by Charles Manson, but I don't think that's what he will be remembered for. Is that for real?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 21, 2024 17:29:04 GMT -5
The Beach Boys recorded a song written by Charles Manson, but I don't think that's what he will be remembered for. To be fair, it was in a minor key.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 21, 2024 17:42:44 GMT -5
The year is 2044. Daniel Jones is given the 26th season as a chance to prove himself to the naysayers. He looked good at times. So its possible I guess. Maybe, year 26, is finally the year it all clicks. Daniel Jones has made over a $1B from the Giants showing no results, but that pays off in 2044. Trust me...... but if it doesnt work its probably the OLs fault. Or he doesnt have good WRs.
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Post by mendy on Apr 21, 2024 17:43:10 GMT -5
Here's Ryan Leaf if you need him 😄
Given the position the Giants are in at QB, it strikes me as weak to simply troll as a means to align against Daniel Jones.
If someones got a good point against him, they should make it. And they should be able to handle the argument that a QB needs protection and playmakers because it doesn't any more obvious than that when it comes to offense.
You're right but the nay Sayers will continue with the negative agenda. Look Jones must play better I won't argue it and never have but I all so contend the rest of the team has to do the same.
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Post by mendy on Apr 21, 2024 17:45:42 GMT -5
The Beach Boys recorded a song written by Charles Manson, but I don't think that's what he will be remembered for. Is that for real? "Never Learn Not to Love" is a song recorded by the American rock band the Beach Boys that was issued as the B-side to their "Bluebirds over the Mountain" single on December 2, 1968. Credited to Dennis Wilson, the song is an altered version of "Cease to Exist", written by the Manson Family cult leader Charles Manson.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2024 17:53:59 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Apr 21, 2024 18:22:36 GMT -5
Ritchie James had the highest catch rate of all WRs that year. Imagine how less productive Jones would have been without him? James blows Hard. James was not the reason for Jones's success in '22, nor the reason for his downfall in 23.
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 21, 2024 18:29:13 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. he can play but he has a broken neck and a torn ACL
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 21, 2024 18:29:34 GMT -5
You guys should see Mark Sanchez's highlights. You'd think he was being fitted for a gold jacket. Even JaMarcus Russell has a highlight reel. in college or the NFL?
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Post by Modog on Apr 21, 2024 19:15:07 GMT -5
Even JaMarcus Russell has a highlight reel. in college or the NFL? ..
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 19:39:57 GMT -5
That is all correct Jones has had bottom half play makers for his whole career here bottom 3rd OL and has taken it all, if people think some one else comes here and develops during this miserable 5 years stretch I can say with 98% certainty they are more than likely wrong. Jones was not gifted with a playoff team or a decent OL or a good defense or even top half play makers and none of that changed over 5 years. He has some blame yes but most of it is on the Giants other QBs should be glad Reese was not a wheeler and dealer they could have been living this QB nightmare. That said the damage is done Daniel will have at least part of this year to fight to finish his contract maybe if they draft Nabors or Odunze and learn to block he can do something, make no mistake I want the QB but think we are getting shut out of the top 4 and don't have much interest in 5 through 7 unless it's rd3 or later. IMO, I feel like teams give QBs the 💰 to perform even in adverse conditions. If a team doesn't believe that the QB can rise above these conditions, why even pay him that kind of jack? I just don't want to hear about the lack of support when a player gets a big money contract. Once the QB gets that big payday, the excuses are immaterial. In our case, it is going on 6 years. If the answer hasn't been determined by now about whether he is the guy, that question is already answered. Posting a highlight reel doesn't change the argument either way.
That's an interesting take. I always thought you were pro-player.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2024 19:40:06 GMT -5
Even JaMarcus Russell has a highlight reel. in college or the NFL? Both
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 19:46:39 GMT -5
Does any of the old timers like me feel that maybe it's like Phil Simms all over again 40 years later with similarities? Injuries,no line,zero receivers,needing more time to develop.... With one caveat: today, there is a salary cap and free agency. Teams don’t have the luxury of holding on to players for six or seven years waiting to see if they develop. The window is more like 3-4 years. Fair point. So if you're undergoing organizational shifts during that time what then? Do you just ignore that aspect and target another QB?
That type of strategy seems like it came directly from the Browns or even the Jets.
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 21, 2024 19:46:51 GMT -5
He did have a couple impressive throws but most of these are lame. He had one of the best arms but his drug addiction is what ruined him. I hope Jones isn't into purple drank if he is he needs help and I hope the Giants do whatever they can to help him get back on his feet.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 19:49:02 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. he can play but he has a broken neck and a torn ACL
So now a stinger is a broken neck? You're better than that.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 20:06:05 GMT -5
Given the position the Giants are in at QB, it strikes me as weak to simply troll as a means to align against Daniel Jones.
If someones got a good point against him, they should make it. And they should be able to handle the argument that a QB needs protection and playmakers because it doesn't any more obvious than that when it comes to offense.
You're right but the nay Sayers will continue with the negative agenda. Look Jones must play better I won't argue it and never have but I all so contend the rest of the team has to do the same.
That's a good point.
I have to admit that I didn't expect a highlight video of DJ from 2022 would strike such a nerve with Giants fans.
Go figure.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 20:21:01 GMT -5
he convinced me in 2022 that he was seeing the game better. Hardly ever looked spooked etc. Yeah the numbers were not great but he "lead" the team in nearly every game. In 2023 his shit himself IMO. After that I feel he is just not going to be a consistently good starting NFL QB. His is also injury prone. Unless he stays healthy and lights its up this season he will be gone in 2025. Thats a tall order for Jones.
Reasonable take. Tall order for sure given his history but it's not as if QB's haven't enjoyed success late or later in their careers.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 22, 2024 5:41:17 GMT -5
Hard to say whether he will play well this year or not. A lot will depend on the Oline and if they can finally give him a #1 WR.
Pretty much a do or die first 6-8 games for Jones. I’m sure Giant fans are rooting for him except, of course, for the usual suspects.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 22, 2024 8:38:46 GMT -5
Hard to say whether he will play well this year or not. A lot will depend on the Oline and if they can finally give him a #1 WR. Pretty much a do or die first 6-8 games for Jones. I’m sure Giant fans are rooting for him except, of course, for the usual suspects. I look forward to 2025 and Jones’ fourth consecutive “make or break” season for some fans.
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Post by idkaname on Apr 22, 2024 9:17:14 GMT -5
Hard to say whether he will play well this year or not. A lot will depend on the Oline and if they can finally give him a #1 WR. Pretty much a do or die first 6-8 games for Jones. I’m sure Giant fans are rooting for him except, of course, for the usual suspects. I look forward to 2025 and Jones’ fourth consecutive “make or break” season for some fans. I look forward to your explanation of Jones' best season (as a pure passer) being his rookie year with Shurmur...sure he had a lot of turnovers but he had the 5th most passing TDs for a rookie QB EVER. Stroud sure had a great year last year, but even he had 1 less TD than Jones did in their rookie years. Btw this was in 13 games, and he had the same TD% as Herbert 5.2% who had 112 more completions for a total of 31 TDs. Daniel Jones is NOT a west coast QB like the staff is trying to make him be. I would have LOVED to see Jones paired with Gilbride, a play-caller that has the gonads to actually attack a defense and not play scared. Why do we keep blaming Jones and the players? Maybe this coaching staff just isn't "it". Daboll and co regressed heavily in 2023 themselves, looked more like rookies than 2022. Hopefully it was the sophomore slump for the coaching staff and things get fixed because again, they recycled the playbook and the Cowboys knew our plays better than the new faces like Waller, Campbell etc because they WERE calling the SAME formations, SAME concepts, and SAME exact plays for nearly the entire game. They weren't ready and they certainly didn't have the team ready for the year, let alone that game...which was disappointing to say the least. We can get the next Tom Brady this draft and regress because I am NOT convinced this coaching staff is making the team better
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 22, 2024 9:41:39 GMT -5
I look forward to 2025 and Jones’ fourth consecutive “make or break” season for some fans. I look forward to your explanation of Jones' best season (as a pure passer) being his rookie year with Shurmur...sure he had a lot of turnovers but he had the 5th most passing TDs for a rookie QB EVER. Stroud sure had a great year last year, but even he had 1 less TD than Jones did in their rookie years. Btw this was in 13 games, and he had the same TD% as Herbert 5.2% who had 112 more completions for a total of 31 TDs. Daniel Jones is NOT a west coast QB like the staff is trying to make him be. I would have LOVED to see Jones paired with Gilbride, a play-caller that has the gonads to actually attack a defense and not play scared. Why do we keep blaming Jones and the players? Maybe this coaching staff just isn't "it". Daboll and co regressed heavily in 2023 themselves, looked more like rookies than 2022. Hopefully it was the sophomore slump for the coaching staff and things get fixed because again, they recycled the playbook and the Cowboys knew our plays better than the new faces like Waller, Campbell etc because they WERE calling the SAME formations, SAME concepts, and SAME exact plays for nearly the entire game. They weren't ready and they certainly didn't have the team ready for the year, let alone that game...which was disappointing to say the least. We can get the next Tom Brady this draft and regress because I am NOT convinced this coaching staff is making the team better I look forward to you justifying Jones’ 2022 performance based on the fact that he won a playoff game while talking out the other side of your mouth claiming that Daboll isn’t “it” even though he was the first head coach to win a playoff game for us in the last six coaching staffs.
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Post by straightrazorman on Apr 22, 2024 10:07:45 GMT -5
I look forward to your explanation of Jones' best season (as a pure passer) being his rookie year with Shurmur...sure he had a lot of turnovers but he had the 5th most passing TDs for a rookie QB EVER. Stroud sure had a great year last year, but even he had 1 less TD than Jones did in their rookie years. Btw this was in 13 games, and he had the same TD% as Herbert 5.2% who had 112 more completions for a total of 31 TDs. Daniel Jones is NOT a west coast QB like the staff is trying to make him be. I would have LOVED to see Jones paired with Gilbride, a play-caller that has the gonads to actually attack a defense and not play scared. Why do we keep blaming Jones and the players? Maybe this coaching staff just isn't "it". Daboll and co regressed heavily in 2023 themselves, looked more like rookies than 2022. Hopefully it was the sophomore slump for the coaching staff and things get fixed because again, they recycled the playbook and the Cowboys knew our plays better than the new faces like Waller, Campbell etc because they WERE calling the SAME formations, SAME concepts, and SAME exact plays for nearly the entire game. They weren't ready and they certainly didn't have the team ready for the year, let alone that game...which was disappointing to say the least. We can get the next Tom Brady this draft and regress because I am NOT convinced this coaching staff is making the team better I look forward to you justifying Jones’ 2022 performance based on the fact that he won a playoff game while talking out the other side of your mouth claiming that Daboll isn’t “it” even though he was the first head coach to win a playoff game for us in the last six coaching staffs. Maybe you should re-read the post, because that's not at all what he said.
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Post by Modog on Apr 22, 2024 10:25:55 GMT -5
Years from now some fans will still be talking about Daniel Jones 2022 season. Get over it, it was very average at best. Take a look at the numbers...Passing TDs (15) in 16 games puts Dan Jones in the very bottom. For contrast Mac Jones who is universally considered a bad QB threw 14 TDs in 14 games. Fun fact, Mac Jones also faced the Vikings in 2022--- 382 passing yards and 2 TDs. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 22, 2024 10:33:11 GMT -5
Hard to say whether he will play well this year or not. A lot will depend on the Oline and if they can finally give him a #1 WR. Pretty much a do or die first 6-8 games for Jones. I’m sure Giant fans are rooting for him except, of course, for the usual suspects. I look forward to 2025 and Jones’ fourth consecutive “make or break” season for some fans.
I find it strange to envision that as Daniel Jones' destiny.
I'll admit that I listen to NFL radio a lot. I enjoy the more serious discussions on football as opposed to the nonsense of a ESPN or Fox Sports.
I have not heard a single host or guest on that channel speak down about Daniel Jones like the fans do.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 22, 2024 10:37:15 GMT -5
Hard to say whether he will play well this year or not. A lot will depend on the Oline and if they can finally give him a #1 WR. Pretty much a do or die first 6-8 games for Jones. I’m sure Giant fans are rooting for him except, of course, for the usual suspects. I look forward to 2025 and Jones’ fourth consecutive “make or break” season for some fans. Glad to hear it. Hope you’re out there rooting for him.
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