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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 20, 2024 22:40:04 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 20, 2024 22:46:54 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 21, 2024 7:14:10 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. I didn't realize what a versatile thrower he is: in the pocket, short, deep outs, seam passes, while moving, mid-scramble, finding holes in the zone. Of course highlight reels may not tell the whole story, like what reads he's missed etc. I haven't heard that as a problem however. What I also saw was that he made throws under tremendous pressure. My only concern is the injuries; is he injury prone or will he become the iron man that Simms became after the ACL and compound thumb fracture. Simms did carry the injury prone label early on.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 21, 2024 8:00:39 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. I didn't realize what a versatile thrower he is: in the pocket, short, deep outs, seam passes, while moving, mid-scramble, finding holes in the zone. Of course highlight reels may not tell the whole story, like what reads he's missed etc. I haven't heard that as a problem however. What I also saw was that he made throws under tremendous pressure. My only concern is the injuries; is he injury prone or will he become the iron man that Simms became after the ACL and compound thumb fracture. Simms did carry the injury prone label early on. we all want Jones to be the guy. The line, the injuries, the maybe, we hope.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 21, 2024 8:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by njsean on Apr 21, 2024 8:39:16 GMT -5
Honestly a lot of the playstyle narrative around Jones’s weaknesses is only true except when it isn’t. Jones stares down receivers except when he doesn’t. Folds under pressure except when he doesn’t.
It’s already been stated here, but yes, the injuries. That’s the kicker as far as I’m concerned. They take a toll. If we do or don’t draft a QB, I get it either way.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 8:58:06 GMT -5
Looking at that Jones has what he needs to win physically the one issue that stands out is teams took the middle of the field away in 2023 and were all over the Zone read game, He needed to find those outside shots the hole shots in 2023n which has been a missing piece of his game but a important piece of any offense in the NFL.
Also the OL play was much better not perfect but he had single rushers to deal with not 2and 3 winning off the snap like 2023 was I think if he is protected enough to be able to move to create he can do some good things, the other issue is he might and most likely will have to do much more with his arm coming off the ACL.
last if you watch a lot of times in the zone read game and just play action teams were influenced by SQB and at times over committed quite a bit opened up some space for Jones but also right behind where the LBs should be.
All that said with better OL play and a run game as they had in 2022 and a better WR room assuming if he is the QB they drafted a stud for the first time since OBJ it is possible he can possibly thrive with decent OL play he was under pressure in 2022 but not as much quick pressure from multiple places.
It is a lot of ifs and this might be how they have to ride because they might get frozen of the true guys that have quality NFL type ceiling also when you look at Jones creating were gonna want a guy who can do that at a higher level I only see 4 upper level guys in Williams/ Maye /Daniels / McCarthy and Bo Nix in the 2nd Penix has not schoen that ability he can throw it but he looks frozen when the rush comes and his accuracy goes way down.
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Post by 3days on Apr 21, 2024 8:59:53 GMT -5
Truth is that was a great season and he was a major part of our unlikely run. People like to say, we are still trying to figure out what we have in him. I don’t agree. He was able to show a FO that did not draft him or extend him that he has the ability to be a franchise QB. I also know that the truth is he never looked good (other than 1 half) last season.
I am sure our FO is factoring all that in, plus the injury risk as they figure out the plan for this coming season. I suspect DJ will start again, hopefully behind a much improved line,
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Post by mendy on Apr 21, 2024 9:01:00 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 9:04:35 GMT -5
Honestly a lot of the playstyle narrative around Jones’s weaknesses is only true except when it isn’t. Jones stares down receivers except when he doesn’t. Folds under pressure except when he doesn’t. It’s already been stated here, but yes, the injuries. That’s the kicker as far as I’m concerned. They take a toll. If we do or don’t draft a QB, I get it either way. Some think all pressure is equal it's not how many are free how fast did they win was it slow or off the snap. If he is protected enough and doesn't have 2 or 3 coming at him all the time speeding up his clock he can be ok, question is, is he damaged for good he saw this through out his college career and now has been beaten down for 5 years in the NFL how much meat is left on the bone can he over come the injuries and the mental part. He is also missing and important piece to his arsenal the hole shot Taylor when he got it let it rip it is purely anticipatory and the QB needs to trust his guy is gonna be there and win it if the coverage is tight.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 21, 2024 9:07:42 GMT -5
You guys should see Mark Sanchez's highlights. You'd think he was being fitted for a gold jacket.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 9:15:52 GMT -5
Truth is that was a great season and he was a major part of our unlikely run. People like to say, we are still trying to figure out what we have in him. I don’t agree. He was able to show a FO that did not draft him or extend him that he has the ability to be a franchise QB. I also know that the truth is he never looked good (other than 1 half) last season. I am sure our FO is factoring all that in, plus the injury risk as they figure out the plan for this coming season. I suspect DJ will start again, hopefully behind a much improved line, They have to be looking at the whole body of work but also take into account what he has played with for 5 years I mean he had pressure in 2022 but most of it was not consistent Quick pressure wins off the snap and such. Most of his career he faced a lot of quick pressure from more than 1 spot along the OL makes escaping and protecting the ball difficult and making plays. when you look back on his time here he has never had a top 20 or even some cases 25 WR core I don't think. I agree with John Mara they may have ruined him physically and mentally, He has contributed by not using the whole field giving defense less to worry about and more to coverage to the areas he does use and keeping him in the pocket where the rush can beat up our weak OL. It is more than him and always has been thats why the Giants should be drafting studs at what eve premium position they can fill to give him or the next guy a team to play with. Look at the guys making catches in 2022 some are not in the league anymore others don't start in there new homes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 9:18:20 GMT -5
You guys should see Mark Sanchez's highlights. You'd think he was being fitted for a gold jacket. The low lights might be a better way to judge a player because you will see a lot of what they don't do or can't do when the play is available. did you get the but fumble in there lol.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 21, 2024 9:22:34 GMT -5
You guys should see Mark Sanchez's highlights. You'd think he was being fitted for a gold jacket. The low lights might be a better way to judge a player because you will see a lot of what they don't do or can't do when the play is available. did you get the but fumble in there lol. Honestly...I watched Davis Webb's senior year highlights at Cal and the guy looked like a superstar. I mean he was making high quality NFL throws into small windows. When we drafted him I thought we got a steal. But alas........ "Highlight's" may be the worst way to judge an NFL player. It's the other 99% of the plays that matter.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 9:27:59 GMT -5
To me this is a guy that if Shurmur held out let him sit and learn and had a better team around him he could have been something they couldn't protect and never had elite WRs or TEs here for him I think the ship has sailed if they can replace him they might not be able to this year. If they do trade up and get 1 they will be subjecting him to the same type of stuff weak roster 0 draft capital to fix it. I think if Mara wants this thing fixed let them draft their way out of it build this roster up so when they get the next guy he is playing with some studs that can Crack skulls in the trenches and catch and run outside and running game by committee but with some speed and power mix.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 9:34:58 GMT -5
The low lights might be a better way to judge a player because you will see a lot of what they don't do or can't do when the play is available. did you get the but fumble in there lol. Honestly...I watched Davis Webb's senior year highlights at Cal and the guy looked like a superstar. I mean he was making high quality NFL throws into small windows. When we drafted him I thought we got a steal. But alas........ "Highlight's" may be the worst way to judge an NFL player. It's the other 99% of the plays that matter. I saw the same thing lol. Low lights explain a lot of why a QB doesn't or can't do certain things like scheme or bad OL play or bad WR play maybe all of teh above. Or on the other hand is the QB making plays and creating off schedule only to have drops or bad routes. More I read and see of Spencer Rattler he had 40% pressure rate and made some un believable NFL caliber throws if we miss on the top 4 i would be more than happy with him in the 3rd as a guy you can grow for a while. There a ton of push back from fans but NFL people know he has top 3 in this draft arm talent and can create he might Bomb but a 3rd or 4th won't hurt so bad he has upside better then some of those second tier guys.
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Post by Modog on Apr 21, 2024 9:37:32 GMT -5
Highlights are just that..even Jamarcus Russel highlight tape will have you thinking he was the greatest QB to ever play the game
It's only fitting we include his play outside of the "highlights"
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 21, 2024 9:55:14 GMT -5
Highlights are just that..even Jamarcus Russel highlight tape will have you thinking he was a stud It's only fitting we include his play outside of the "highlights" Smh 🤦♂️, you cannot do that. He stares right at the WR and throws a pick to end a game when the whole organization and fan base needed a boost.
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Post by Nite on Apr 21, 2024 10:00:06 GMT -5
You came outta the closet Rosie
I'm proud of you!!
Ur a (not so secret) DJ fanboi......
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 21, 2024 10:44:03 GMT -5
That was some fabulously, awesome, inspiring stuff. Wouldn't it be wise to rework the current contract immediately and extend him for another six, or dare I wish it, eight years? We can't LOSE this guy!
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Post by Nite on Apr 21, 2024 10:54:18 GMT -5
Highlights are just that..even Jamarcus Russel highlight tape will have you thinking he was a stud It's only fitting we include his play outside of the "highlights" Smh 🤦♂️, you cannot do that. He stares right at the WR and throws a pick to end a game when the whole organization and fan base needed a boost. He didn't even look at the other parts of the field...The dude must be so easy to game plan against
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Post by vinnie on Apr 21, 2024 11:09:49 GMT -5
Have any highlights of the 5 years he ****ed up?
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Post by vinnie on Apr 21, 2024 11:11:57 GMT -5
Geez Rosey, I thought you were better than this. If I was a MOD I’d give you a warning.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 21, 2024 11:36:57 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. I don't know man, looks like this boy can play:
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Post by Modog on Apr 21, 2024 11:49:21 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play. I don't know man, looks like this boy can play: Wow, I forgot how great he was! Jets should have gave him a 160m contract.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 21, 2024 12:13:07 GMT -5
Essentially every QB does what is contained in any player’s highlights and lowlights, all the stuff in the middle is what makes or breaks them.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 21, 2024 12:14:57 GMT -5
I don't know fellas, it looks like this boy can play.
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Post by roundabout on Apr 21, 2024 12:23:04 GMT -5
Does any of the old timers like me feel that maybe it's like Phil Simms all over again 40 years later with similarities? Injuries,no line,zero receivers,needing more time to develop....
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 12:25:21 GMT -5
The low lights might be a better way to judge a player because you will see a lot of what they don't do or can't do when the play is available. did you get the but fumble in there lol. Honestly...I watched Davis Webb's senior year highlights at Cal and the guy looked like a superstar. I mean he was making high quality NFL throws into small windows. When we drafted him I thought we got a steal. But alas........ "Highlight's" may be the worst way to judge an NFL player. It's the other 99% of the plays that matter. Highlights are the flashes that we see in a player. The degree to which we see them vs the negatives against him (whether it be about his game or personal issues) that determines his value. That's how I see it anyway.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2024 12:31:52 GMT -5
I don't know man, looks like this boy can play: Wow, I forgot how great he was! Jets should have gave him a 160m contract.
Is there anyone that thinks Rex Ryan did a good job of setting Mark Sanchez up for success beyond getting ink of his jersey on his wife?
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