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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 13:20:44 GMT -5
The thing about the whole thing and for yall saying move up to draft a qb here's my take I just thought of. For what they payed Jones ( and even though they have an out), they want him to be the guy and they want to see if he still can be especially after paying him. We saw 2022 and we saw 2023. A lot of factors came into play with his overall performance ( not excusing himself at all, but.....) and so I know our entire regime knows and still want to see what the guy can do without a shit show O line and the beating. We all want to see so there WILL BE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!
Can we fix the O line and make significant progress toward rebuilding it THIS SEASON for what we have done thus far in FA and what we may do in the draft? We are in position to also give him for the first time a true no. 1 WR so if those 2 things come together then he really will have no more excuses at all. I'm very very curious to see those 2 things come together so we can decide rather our out for 2024 will need to be had..........
So with the regime wanting to see those things transpire I believe Schoen and Dabs have a green light to not have to move up to get a qb and if one's of their focus and their at 6 or either there in the 2nd or a move back up into the late 1st to get him or up in the 2nd to do so, then we do that. If not I think they know if they take the WR at 6 and continue to bolster the line, then 2025 will be looking much much better for Lock for another year or 2 till we draft that qb or let the guy we potentially take at 6 or up back up later in the 1st or early 2nd to get.
mainly for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............
Forgot to add that no one is saying Jones has to be Mahomes or even CJ Stroud but just functional and able to get the job done. For what he is we need him to be better and get the job done no doubt. If the O line is decently functional alas not letting guys just right out the gate get a free run around their ass or run thru them straight to the qb then we will get to see what all he can do. It's proven you can actually win in this league without a Mahomes. It's up to the GM to build a team that will be able to compete as a team as well. So yeah I think them getting Jones that protection, finally fixing it hopefully this year to where it's a functional line at least, we will definitely have our answer this season. I guess either way though he really only has this year to prove it.....
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Post by McCherry on Apr 21, 2024 13:30:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure what job security has to do with drafting a QB. Schoen was given the green light to make whatever decision he wanted when he accepted the job. If the price is right, they'll move up to get one. if not, they'll probably look at the tier 2 QB's.
If they're relying on Lock as you're suggesting, we're screwed.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 13:32:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure what job security has to do with drafting a QB. Schoen was given the green light to make whatever decision he wanted when he accepted the job. If the price is right, they'll move up to get one. if not, they'll probably look at the tier 2 QB's. If they're relying on Lock as you're suggesting, we're screwed. for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2024 13:35:22 GMT -5
I get what you're saying. Excuses are over once a player gets the 💰. This isn't exclusive to our QB situation.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 21, 2024 13:44:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure what job security has to do with drafting a QB. Schoen was given the green light to make whatever decision he wanted when he accepted the job. If the price is right, they'll move up to get one. if not, they'll probably look at the tier 2 QB's. If they're relying on Lock as you're suggesting, we're screwed. for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............ If and when they move on from Jones, they need a plan. If they don't get a QB this year, it's hard to envision what that plan is. I don't think they're in any immediate danger. At some point they will be held accountable. They don't have years to make us competitive
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 13:51:16 GMT -5
for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............ If and when they move on from Jones, they need a plan. If they don't get a QB this year, it's hard to envision what that plan is. I don't think they're in any immediate danger. At some point they will be held accountable. They don't have years to make us competitive agreed. There are always other options if they don't get a qb in this draft. We might not like or agree with what or how they end up going with their plan is but if it works out then I'm sure at that time we will clap and be happy lol. Time will indeed tell........
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Post by McCherry on Apr 21, 2024 14:08:12 GMT -5
If and when they move on from Jones, they need a plan. If they don't get a QB this year, it's hard to envision what that plan is. I don't think they're in any immediate danger. At some point they will be held accountable. They don't have years to make us competitive agreed. There are always other options if they don't get a qb in this draft. We might not like or agree with what or how they end up going with their plan is but if it works out then I'm sure at that time we will clap and be happy lol. Time will indeed tell........ You're right, there are always options. But I've said it many times. I see no scenario where they don't draft a QB this week. if I'm wrong, there will be questions. Not just from me.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:37:20 GMT -5
The thing about the whole thing and for yall saying move up to draft a qb here's my take I just thought of. For what they payed Jones ( and even though they have an out), they want him to be the guy and they want to see if he still can be especially after paying him. We saw 2022 and we saw 2023. A lot of factors came into play with his overall performance ( not excusing himself at all, but.....) and so I know our entire regime knows and still want to see what the guy can do without a shit show O line and the beating. We all want to see so there WILL BE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!! Can we fix the O line and make significant progress toward rebuilding it THIS SEASON for what we have done thus far in FA and what we may do in the draft? We are in position to also give him for the first time a true no. 1 WR so if those 2 things come together then he really will have no more excuses at all. I'm very very curious to see those 2 things come together so we can decide rather our out for 2024 will need to be had.......... So with the regime wanting to see those things transpire I believe Schoen and Dabs have a green light to not have to move up to get a qb and if one's of their focus and their at 6 or either there in the 2nd or a move back up into the late 1st to get him or up in the 2nd to do so, then we do that. If not I think they know if they take the WR at 6 and continue to bolster the line, then 2025 will be looking much much better for Lock for another year or 2 till we draft that qb or let the guy we potentially take at 6 or up back up later in the 1st or early 2nd to get. mainly for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............ I think if they could get a QB without giving up the future they would, with the roster where it is getting a top end #1 would be huge for who ever is QB in the future also more OL help and DB help If they trade away their top 2 or 3 picks this year in a top heavy draft it will be really tough and if they give away next years 1 they will be screwed. Schoen has to think about roster building also so when and if they find a QB they love and spend the capital to get him he has a chance not like what happened with Jones
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 14:40:21 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:42:06 GMT -5
agreed. There are always other options if they don't get a qb in this draft. We might not like or agree with what or how they end up going with their plan is but if it works out then I'm sure at that time we will clap and be happy lol. Time will indeed tell........ You're right, there are always options. But I've said it many times. I see no scenario where they don't draft a QB this week. if I'm wrong, there will be questions. Not just from me. This is easy to say what do they do f they are froze out you can't just teleport into someones pick are they gonna draft penix a guy who has shown when the rush is around hi his accuracy drops and he gets sacked a lot. There is a good possibility they don't get a QB and might have to wait to get one up later if they want to develop a backup. This might be out of there hands .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 14:44:32 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. there draft classes haven't even got 3 years in yet how do you come to that conclusion there is development to be considered.
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Post by 3days on Apr 21, 2024 14:44:57 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. I could see a scenario where we just barely miss out and they stay. Otherwise I agree.
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 15:00:57 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. there draft classes haven't even got 3 years in yet  how do you come to that conclusion there is  development to be considered. The league has no patience. It is a what have you done for me lately league. It is simple win or spin.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:18:15 GMT -5
agreed. There are always other options if they don't get a qb in this draft. We might not like or agree with what or how they end up going with their plan is but if it works out then I'm sure at that time we will clap and be happy lol. Time will indeed tell........ You're right, there are always options. But I've said it many times. I see no scenario where they don't draft a QB this week. if I'm wrong, there will be questions. Not just from me. i can definitely see and agree that sure we need another one anyway. It'll be interesting if they don't take one at 6, where they do....
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:20:02 GMT -5
The thing about the whole thing and for yall saying move up to draft a qb here's my take I just thought of. For what they payed Jones ( and even though they have an out), they want him to be the guy and they want to see if he still can be especially after paying him. We saw 2022 and we saw 2023. A lot of factors came into play with his overall performance ( not excusing himself at all, but.....) and so I know our entire regime knows and still want to see what the guy can do without a shit show O line and the beating. We all want to see so there WILL BE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!! Can we fix the O line and make significant progress toward rebuilding it THIS SEASON for what we have done thus far in FA and what we may do in the draft? We are in position to also give him for the first time a true no. 1 WR so if those 2 things come together then he really will have no more excuses at all. I'm very very curious to see those 2 things come together so we can decide rather our out for 2024 will need to be had.......... So with the regime wanting to see those things transpire I believe Schoen and Dabs have a green light to not have to move up to get a qb and if one's of their focus and their at 6 or either there in the 2nd or a move back up into the late 1st to get him or up in the 2nd to do so, then we do that. If not I think they know if they take the WR at 6 and continue to bolster the line, then 2025 will be looking much much better for Lock for another year or 2 till we draft that qb or let the guy we potentially take at 6 or up back up later in the 1st or early 2nd to get. mainly for those saying if they rely on/hinge their potential career on Jones and because they paid him and if he doesn't get it done this year and they end up moving on from him, that they are gone............ I think if they could get a QB without giving up the future they would, with the roster where it is getting a top end #1 would be huge for who ever is QB in the future also more OL help and DB help If they trade away their top 2 or 3 picks this year in a top heavy draft it will be really tough and if they give away next years 1 they will be screwed. Schoen has to think about roster building also so when and if they find a QB they love and spend the capital to get him he has a chance not like what happened with Jones absolutely and if he does give up the capital in which he needs to further build this team, he has gotta and better have a master plan. Not just a plan, but that plan has GOT TO work.......
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:23:06 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. in the top 100 from a certain time period?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:23:57 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. there draft classes haven't even got 3 years in yet how do you come to that conclusion there is development to be considered. I reading it again I guess he mean the current regime and I agree with you if so....
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2024 16:25:06 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. in the top 100 from a certain time period? The past 2 drafts 8. And 3 from this up coming.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:26:42 GMT -5
This draft represents their 11th pick in the top 100 picks. A 5th of the roster. They better reach the playoffs or they are toast. I hope the make the playoffs. I could see a scenario where we just barely miss out and they stay. Otherwise I agree. like I said the other day if we see trends of how Miami and Detroit looked about 5 years ago when Stevie Wonder could see they were going to be a tough team in the next or year after, then I think it's easy they stay.... 2022 was a surprise for us all , for everyone involved actually I'm sure. Then 2023 happened but I'm sure this year is huge but I think they will have a lot more leeway than folks think if they definitely show some of Miami and Detroit and the way they lost the games they lost 5 ish yrs ago.....
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 16:39:57 GMT -5
Forgot to add that no one is saying Jones has to be Mahomes or even CJ Stroud but just functional and able to get the job done. For what he is we need him to be better and get the job done no doubt. If the O line is decently functional alas not letting guys just right out the gate get a free run around their ass or run thru them straight to the qb then we will get to see what all he can do. It's proven you can actually win in this league without a Mahomes. It's up to the GM to build a team that will be able to compete as a team as well. So yeah I think them getting Jones that protection, finally fixing it hopefully this year to where it's a functional line at least, we will definitely have our answer this season. I guess either way though he really only has this year to prove it.....
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2024 17:12:17 GMT -5
Schoen and Dabs are on the 5 year plan unless they totally shit the bed this season
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 21, 2024 17:25:02 GMT -5
Forgot to add that no one is saying Jones has to be Mahomes or even CJ Stroud but just functional and able to get the job done. For what he is we need him to be better and get the job done no doubt. If the O line is decently functional alas not letting guys just right out the gate get a free run around their ass or run thru them straight to the qb then we will get to see what all he can do. It's proven you can actually win in this league without a Mahomes. It's up to the GM to build a team that will be able to compete as a team as well. So yeah I think them getting Jones that protection, finally fixing it hopefully this year to where it's a functional line at least, we will definitely have our answer this season. I guess either way though he really only has this year to prove it..... we needed Jones to incrementally improve on what he showed in 2022, instead he regressed. At this point, he has a lot he needs to show us.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2024 17:27:57 GMT -5
Forgot to add that no one is saying Jones has to be Mahomes or even CJ Stroud but just functional and able to get the job done. For what he is we need him to be better and get the job done no doubt. If the O line is decently functional alas not letting guys just right out the gate get a free run around their ass or run thru them straight to the qb then we will get to see what all he can do. It's proven you can actually win in this league without a Mahomes. It's up to the GM to build a team that will be able to compete as a team as well. So yeah I think them getting Jones that protection, finally fixing it hopefully this year to where it's a functional line at least, we will definitely have our answer this season. I guess either way though he really only has this year to prove it..... we needed Jones to incrementally improve on what he showed in 2022, instead he regressed. At this point, he has a lot he needs to show us. he is back to square one with a very very short leash. The kid turned the corner in 2022 then he crapped himself in 2023. Too bad
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Post by McCherry on Apr 21, 2024 18:03:55 GMT -5
You're right, there are always options. But I've said it many times. I see no scenario where they don't draft a QB this week. if I'm wrong, there will be questions. Not just from me. This is easy to say what do they do f they are froze out you can't just teleport into someones pick are they gonna draft penix a guy who has shown when the rush is around hi his accuracy drops and he gets sacked a lot. There is a good possibility they don't get a QB and might have to wait to get one up later if they want to develop a backup. This might be out of there hands .Maye/McCarthy might be... Penix, Nix, and some of the other second tier guys won't be.
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Post by te88 on Apr 21, 2024 18:44:20 GMT -5
Daboll might be somewhat at risk.
I see pretty much zero risk to Schoen losing his job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 19:26:31 GMT -5
This is easy to say what do they do f they are froze out you can't just teleport into someones pick are they gonna draft penix a guy who has shown when the rush is around hi his accuracy drops and he gets sacked a lot. There is a good possibility they don't get a QB and might have to wait to get one up later if they want to develop a backup. This might be out of there hands .Maye/McCarthy might be... Penix, Nix, and some of the other second tier guys won't be. Problem is are guys are they really worth a 2nd or trading valuable assets to get back up in the first Penix couldn't play in our offense he can't handle the rush his accuracy goes down and in the biggest game of his college career he was sacked and harassed into submission thats what it's like every week in the NFL.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 19:29:54 GMT -5
we needed Jones to incrementally improve on what he showed in 2022, instead he regressed. At this point, he has a lot he needs to show us. he is back to square one with a very very short leash. The kid turned the corner in 2022 then he crapped himself in 2023. Too bad He will go as the protection goes and his play makers go he isn't gonn escape 2 or 3 rushers and make plays maybe 1 or 2 from time to time. Just think it was different last year he was rattled and sped up in a bad way he was seeing ghost rushing throws with 0 pressure.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2024 19:46:47 GMT -5
The easiest way to keep a job is to win games...now. Personally I think the second they signed Lock they decided they were sticking with Jones over the kids in this class. This regime does not think Jones is a bad player, that's obvious; but they are worried about his health. Lock is a quality back up that can hold it down and win some games if Jones goes down. If that happens they keep their jobs and can move on next year.
Drafting a QB and not winning games this year puts people at risk of losing their jobs and that includes Schoen who would need to explain why they gave Jones what they did and skipped on securing a #1 WR and instead added a QB a year later.
Remember just about every single person saying they will/should go QB are people that don't think Jones is a good player. Our GM and HC think he's a good player.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2024 19:54:35 GMT -5
there draft classes haven't even got 3 years in yet how do you come to that conclusion there is development to be considered. The league has no patience. It is a what have you done for me lately league. It is simple win or spin. Thats why the Giants are on this football hell ride for 10 years now instability from the top through the coaching staff and through the roster, they crave and need stability and patience. This team made the palyoffs 2022 and had an injury riddled 2023 think they need and deserve more time and so do we know one is turning this ship around in 3 or 4 years.
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Post by TEM on Apr 22, 2024 5:17:48 GMT -5
The league has no patience. It is a what have you done for me lately league. It is simple win or spin. Thats why the Giants are on this football hell ride for 10 years now instability from the top through the coaching staff and through the roster, they crave and need stability and patience. This team made the palyoffs 2022 and had an injury riddled 2023 think they need and deserve more time and so do we know one is turning this ship around in 3 or 4 years. I agree but that is not the way the league operates.
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