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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 22:32:32 GMT -5
Just about every deep pass was completed. They should have played aggressive the entire game. They wasted the entire first half running on first down. They should have been more aggressive from the start. Ahem. Last week everyone was screaming how we should run the effing ball more on first and second downs. And the QB sneak is a high percentage play. Except for us, with 'Shell-of-a-Man' @qb. Regarding clock stuff, get real, we did not losenthe game in the last minute unless you've been IN THE GAME for the first fifty-nine! By that time the game was LONG LOST.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:33:13 GMT -5
The giants manage to go 9-6 .... I think your heart is going to be fine.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 22, 2018 22:33:47 GMT -5
Booger nailed it. We totally displayed why we are a 1-6 team that is 4-19 in their last 23 games.
No ****in way I could listen to that clown. Whenever he spoke the mute came on.
Except of course when he spoke of pissing in his pants on the bench.
I don't like him either, but he was right about why we are sorry as hell. That 2 pt attempt and those failed QB sneaks are epitomies of NYG football 2017-present.
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Post by desertash on Oct 22, 2018 22:33:52 GMT -5
What do we do about Shurmer guys? I know the o line is a mess and Eli is broken but we are not 1-6 bad. He's a good guy but his play calling is bordering on moronic and that 2pt call was laughable. I think hes a good coach but I'm concerned about this losing culture. We seem to be doing just enough to lose games, and he really screwed this game up. we are every bit 1-6 bad Engram's not progressed Collins has also slid JJ...launch him OV...ditto Eli, end it Barkley, place him in stasis until 2019 Shepard, played well had a big drop that almost got picked
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Post by DonnieYen on Oct 22, 2018 22:34:51 GMT -5
Eli and the Offense scored 20 points if Shurmur kicks that field goal on the second to last drive Eli ties the game at 20 on his last drive and were in over time right now. Eli had a decent second half Shurmur cost us this game. In what world did eli have a "decent" second half? two touchdowns all together we scored 20 points in this game we didn't lose because of Eli we almost tied it up and went to over time because of Eli we lost because of Shurmur's bone head play calling we should have been in over time if Shurmur kicks that field goal bottom line.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 22, 2018 22:34:56 GMT -5
No ****in way I could listen to that clown. Whenever he spoke the mute came on.
Except of course when he spoke of pissing in his pants on the bench.
Booger is one of the biggest idiots on tv Even though we agree, ESPN thinks differently and pays him a good amount of money. If you think that you can do better, go apply for his job.
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Post by DMighty on Oct 22, 2018 22:35:34 GMT -5
watching the offensive line lowlights on SVP and i notice, on the lowlights shown, nobody picked Eli off the ground. On a play solder's just whiffed, he was standing basically over Eli and just turned around and walked away.. not good.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 22, 2018 22:35:48 GMT -5
I'm okay with going for 2 point conversion there. It's subtle smart, under the circumstances. Please explain. Playing for two FG drives with 4 mins to go when that's all you were able to muster for 45 mins? I edited my post to include an explanation. Getting to OT gives you only a 50% chance of winning. Shurmur's gives a chance to win in regulation, without completely sacrificing the chance to get to OT. If we had made the 2pt conversion (so close) we would've put all the pressure on Atlanta. The point to remember is the difference between making it to OT (50% chance to win) and winning in regulation (100%).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:36:22 GMT -5
What do we do about Shurmer guys? I know the o line is a mess and Eli is broken but we are not 1-6 bad. He's a good guy but his play calling is bordering on moronic and that 2pt call was laughable. I think hes a good coach but I'm concerned about this losing culture. We seem to be doing just enough to lose games, and he really screwed this game up. I've succumbed. Do nothing. Keep starting Eli, keep Murmur and his play calling on point, keep Jenkins in there, keep doing what we're doing... We need this thing to completely explode in order for there to be effective change.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 22, 2018 22:37:08 GMT -5
It's almost as if we are watching a sitcom about a football franchise. Where's Barney Fife when you need him?
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 22:39:22 GMT -5
In what world did eli have a "decent" second half? two touchdowns all together we scored 20 points in this game we didn't lose because of Eli we almost tied it up and went to over time because of Eli we lost because of Shurmur's bone head play calling we should have been in over time if Shurmur kicks that field goal bottom line. Medical marijuana is legal and easy to get almost anywhere. But where have you been scoring acid?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:39:46 GMT -5
In what world did eli have a "decent" second half? two touchdowns all together we scored 20 points in this game we didn't lose because of Eli we almost tied it up and went to over time because of Eli we lost because of Shurmur's bone head play calling we should have been in over time if Shurmur kicks that field goal bottom line. Still can't tell if you're serious. So I'll just say this: the fact that you're excited about 20 points (let's ignore that 14 came in garbage time) against a team that was giving up 32 pts/game, should be enough of a clue to yourself about how god awful this team is.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 22, 2018 22:39:56 GMT -5
Booger is one of the biggest idiots on tv Even though we agree, ESPN thinks differently and pays him a good amount of money. If you think that you can do better, go apply for his job.
ESPN is known for hiring hacks and he's no exception.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:41:10 GMT -5
Please explain. Playing for two FG drives with 4 mins to go when that's all you were able to muster for 45 mins? I edited my post to include an explanation. Getting to OT gives you only a 50% chance of winning. Shurmur's gives a chance to win in regulation, without completely sacrificing the chance to get to OT. If we had made the 2pt conversion (so close) we would've put all the pressure on Atlanta. The point to remember is the difference between making it to OT (50% chance to win) and winning in regulation (100%). Then why not go for a 2 pt conversion on that (assuming) ensuing TD rather than going for it on the previous possession?
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 22, 2018 22:42:23 GMT -5
The thinking had to have been get the ball back > score > kick PAT > win game. Shurmur couldn't possibly be thinking to get the ball back twice with 4 minutes to go, could he? If you're planning to go for 2 pts to "win" the game two possessions out, then he should be fired before he even reaches the locker room. If you want to win the game with a 2 pt conversion do it after you score to make it 20-19. Not necessarily. By going for it on the first TD, if you make it you can win by kicking on the second one. If you don't make it, you can still get to OT with a 2pt on the second TD. It's complex, but I think Shurmur's decision was a good one.
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Post by DonnieYen on Oct 22, 2018 22:42:30 GMT -5
how do you guys not understand what I am saying, IF WE KICK THAT FIELD GOAL INSTEAD OF MISS THE TWO POINTER THEN WHEN ELI SCORES WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT WE TIE THE GAME UP AT 23, ergo we tie it up and go for overtime. am I doing my math right? or am I wrong? I will admit I am bad at math.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 22:42:44 GMT -5
watching the offensive line lowlights on SVP and i notice, on the lowlights shown, nobody picked Eli off the ground. On a play solder's just whiffed, he was standing basically over Eli and just turned around and walked away.. not good. WOW. That is very telling body language. Don't kill me, and I'm not being sarcastic, but I have fantasized that the Oline is trying to get 'the dude' knocked outta the game to force a change at qb. I believe this is an unspoken but quite believable truth. Honestly, I do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:42:50 GMT -5
watching the offensive line lowlights on SVP and i notice, on the lowlights shown, nobody picked Eli off the ground. On a play solder's just whiffed, he was standing basically over Eli and just turned around and walked away.. not good. I was watching that too. And after they showed the Hernandez whiff I came up for a new rule for Murmur. Every time the OL let's their man sack Eli, that OL needs to raise his hand (in the "my bad" gesture) to the Giants sideline then go and pick Eli up off the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:44:10 GMT -5
If you're planning to go for 2 pts to "win" the game two possessions out, then he should be fired before he even reaches the locker room. If you want to win the game with a 2 pt conversion do it after you score to make it 20-19. Not necessarily. By going for it on the first TD, if you make it you can win by kicking on the second one. If you don't make it, you can still get to OT with a 2pt on the second TD. It's complex, but I think Shurmur's decision was a good one. Tomato tomahto. If you're playing to win in regulation you have to kick a PAT and convert a 2 pt conversion. Why not take the high probability PAT on the first TD and wait to see if you even score another before you go for 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:47:58 GMT -5
how do you guys not understand what I am saying, IF WE KICK THAT FIELD GOAL INSTEAD OF MISS THE TWO POINTER THEN WHEN ELI SCORES WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT WE TIE THE GAME UP AT 23, ergo we tie it up and go for overtime. am I doing my math right? or am I wrong? I will admit I am bad at math. Your math is off. It would have been 21 not 23. If we had kicked that FG instead of the failed 2 point conversion it would have netted us 1 point. It's then 20 to 13. Atlanta. They get another FG make it 23-13. We drive down the filed, score with 5 seconds left. that's 23-19, we make the 2 point conversion its 23-21.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 22:48:19 GMT -5
how do you guys not understand what I am saying, IF WE KICK THAT FIELD GOAL INSTEAD OF MISS THE TWO POINTER THEN WHEN ELIES SCORES WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT WE TIE THE GAME UP AT 23, ergo we tie it up and go for overtime. am I doing my math right? or am I wrong? I will admit I am bad at math. You are poor at arithmetic, a static discipline.. but terrible at football, a four dimensional game. All the numbers are NOT QUALITATIVELY EQUAL over time, but you add them as if they occur simultaneously. Nay nay! They occur at different times and thus impact the game strategy differently. Do you not understand the concept of 'garbage time' ?
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Post by EliQB10 on Oct 22, 2018 22:52:21 GMT -5
Here's a thought and you can kill me if you want...Eli made some good throws and missed some obviously but if our friggin OL could at least run block we wouldn't be so one dimensional and would have scored on the goal line instead of turning it over on downs...yes I' m putting more of the blame on the OL!
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 22, 2018 22:54:30 GMT -5
I edited my post to include an explanation. Getting to OT gives you only a 50% chance of winning. Shurmur's gives a chance to win in regulation, without completely sacrificing the chance to get to OT. If we had made the 2pt conversion (so close) we would've put all the pressure on Atlanta. The point to remember is the difference between making it to OT (50% chance to win) and winning in regulation (100%). Then why not go for a 2 pt conversion on that (assuming) ensuing TD rather than going for it on the previous possession? [/quBasically GOING FOR IT ON FIRST TD: make it - cuts lead to 6 points, puts alot of pressure on ATL offense (and defense) miss it - still a chance for OT with 2pt on second TD KICKING 1 PT ON FIRST TD: ATL will feel more relaxed, feeling assured of at least getting to OT. Basically, The conservative way of kicking on both would enhance our chance of getting to OT Shurmur's way enhances our chance of winning in regulation, without completely destroying our chance to force OT. It was a calculated risk, not an act of mindless buffoonery.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:54:33 GMT -5
how do you guys not understand what I am saying, IF WE KICK THAT FIELD GOAL INSTEAD OF MISS THE TWO POINTER THEN WHEN ELI SCORES WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT WE TIE THE GAME UP AT 23, ergo we tie it up and go for overtime. am I doing my math right? or am I wrong? I will admit I am bad at math. Kick the FG instead of a failed 2 pt conversion? You mean kick the PAT? It was 20-12. Kick the PAT, makes is 20-13. ATL goes and kicks a FG. 23-13. Giants score with 5 seconds to go: 23-20. Not 23-23.
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Post by DonnieYen on Oct 22, 2018 22:55:12 GMT -5
how do you guys not understand what I am saying, IF WE KICK THAT FIELD GOAL INSTEAD OF MISS THE TWO POINTER THEN WHEN ELI SCORES WITH 5 SECONDS LEFT WE TIE THE GAME UP AT 23, ergo we tie it up and go for overtime. am I doing my math right? or am I wrong? I will admit I am bad at math. Your math is off. It would have been 21 not 23. ok so if we kick the extra point that's 1 point there plus the two point conversion there is three points right there so your total with the TD and 2 Point Conversion plus the extra point after the TD in that last drive that Shurmur blundered and your score would be 23-23 with 5 seconds left am I wrong? if I am if someone wants to walk me through it I am all ears so to speak? At the very least IF we kick that extra point may be Atlanta doesn't kick that field goal you cant assume that?
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Post by SG88 on Oct 22, 2018 22:55:54 GMT -5
Even though we agree, ESPN thinks differently and pays him a good amount of money. If you think that you can do better, go apply for his job.
ESPN is known for hiring hacks and he's no exception. I wish that they would hire some of us. I am gonna do something tomorrow for the hell of it. I am going to apply for a job there as an analyst.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:57:02 GMT -5
Basically GOING FOR IT ON FIRST TD: make it - cuts lead to 6 points, puts alot of pressure on ATL offense (and defense) miss it - still a chance for OT with 2pt on second TD KICKING 1 PT ON FIRST TD: ATL will feel more relaxed, feeling assured of at least getting to OT. Basically, The conservative way of kicking on both would enhance our chance of getting to OT Shurmur's way enhances our chance of winning in regulation, without completely destroying our chance to force OT. It was a calculated risk, not an act of mindless buffoonery. I don't buy that. I don't buy the fact that ATL is more relaxed or more pressured under one scenario or the other. If Murmur is calling plays based on his guess if ATL is going to play more loose or tight based on the outcome, then he needs to be hung by his testicles until they turn black, shrivel up and fall off. Ok, maybe that's extreme but his coaching should be heavily scrutinized.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 22:58:38 GMT -5
Then why not go for a 2 pt conversion on that (assuming) ensuing TD rather than going for it on the previous possession? [/quBasically GOING FOR IT ON FIRST TD: make it - cuts lead to 6 points, puts alot of pressure on ATL offense (and defense) miss it - still a chance for OT with 2pt on second TD KICKING 1 PT ON FIRST TD: ATL will feel more relaxed, feeling assured of at least getting to OT. Basically, The conservative way of kicking on both would enhance our chance of getting to OT Shurmur's way enhances our chance of winning in regulation, without completely destroying our chance to force OT. It was a calculated risk, not an act of mindless buffoonery. Exactly. When points are scored is sometimes more important than how they are scored.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 22, 2018 23:01:17 GMT -5
Basically GOING FOR IT ON FIRST TD: make it - cuts lead to 6 points, puts alot of pressure on ATL offense (and defense) miss it - still a chance for OT with 2pt on second TD KICKING 1 PT ON FIRST TD: ATL will feel more relaxed, feeling assured of at least getting to OT. Basically, The conservative way of kicking on both would enhance our chance of getting to OT Shurmur's way enhances our chance of winning in regulation, without completely destroying our chance to force OT. It was a calculated risk, not an act of mindless buffoonery. I don't buy that. I don't buy the fact that ATL is more relaxed or more pressured under one scenario or the other. If Murmur is calling plays based on his guess if ATL is going to play more loose or tight based on the outcome, then he needs to be hung by his testicles until they turn black, shrivel up and fall off. Ok, maybe that's extreme but his coaching should be heavily scrutinized. Either position is arguable, but I am totally with BiSnow on this one. Except for the genitalia references, but I get it. You should have heard all the politically incorrect epithets I was hurling at anyone and everything .. but oddly, I actually enjoyed the game. Does that make any sense?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 23:02:07 GMT -5
Your math is off. It would have been 21 not 23. ok so if we kick the extra point that's 1 point there plus the two point conversion there is three points right there so your total with the TD and 2 Point Conversion plus the extra point after the TD in that last drive that Shurmur blundered and your score would be 23-23 with 5 seconds left am I wrong? huh wha? Let me see if I follow. We scored a TD to make it 20-12 ok so if we kick the extra point that's 1 point there20-13 plus the two point conversion thereYou can only go for 1 pt or 2 pts after a TD. 20-13 so your total with the TD and 2 Point Conversion plus the extra point after the TD in that last driveSo you want to add the 2 pt conversion to the first TD... okay, take away the extra point and add the two point conversion: 20-14 Then ATL scores a FG: 23-14 Then according to your last sentence above we score a TD and add an extra point in the last drive (with 5 seconds left): 23-21 Does that help?
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