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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 20:15:14 GMT -5
Thanks in advance for those who will keep us updated on our UDFA activity.
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 27, 2024 20:45:29 GMT -5
Thanks in advance for those who will keep us updated on our UDFA activity. your so very welcome it's my pleasure to help out anyway I can!
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 27, 2024 20:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 27, 2024 22:36:36 GMT -5
This is great! A lot of truth in this, but look at who QB A played against, versus QB B…..look at the offensive line playing when A played versus B……it is no wonder that QB A has a permanent suite in the local hospital. QB B beat the team that crushed the team that shut out QB A week 1. Maybe I should explain. DeVito beat GB who crushed Dallas in the playoffs. Dallas, of course, shut out DJ.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 28, 2024 4:31:10 GMT -5
Devito looks like a QB you sign when there is a player strike. He stinks. I do think Lock has potential to surprise. Taulia I know you’ve liked. He’s got talent but doesn’t make the best decisions or throws with pressure on or crunch time. He’s athletic and can make plays and he’s also accurate. I would take Hartman or Taulia as a FA and hope we struck….if not gold silver.DJ is a tarnished Bronze. Hartman looked good playing all ACC teams then competition got harder at Notre Dame where he didn’t shine so bright. Which QB would you prefer from the same team in the same season? QB A. 6 starts. W/L....1-5. 909 yards. 2 TD's. 6 Int's. QB B. 6 starts. W/L.. 3-3. 1101 yards. 8 TD's. 3 Int's. I kinda like QB B. What about you? So you are saying both QBs played against the exact competition, playing at the exact same proficiency with the exact same availability of players? Because f not, your post is meaningless.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 28, 2024 6:29:12 GMT -5
Which QB would you prefer from the same team in the same season? QB A. 6 starts. W/L....1-5. 909 yards. 2 TD's. 6 Int's. QB B. 6 starts. W/L.. 3-3. 1101 yards. 8 TD's. 3 Int's. I kinda like QB B. What about you? So you are saying both QBs played against the exact competition, playing at the exact same proficiency with the exact same availability of players? Because f not, your post is meaningless. I'll never get this take... If you think this, you would never be able to compare 2 QBs (or any other position) ever based on statistical evidence of production and wins/losses, the only thing to use outside of opinions and feel which are subjective. Since they don't play with the same teammates or against the same teams, it's meaningless to compare any QBs. Maybe Devito is the next Mahomes... OR, you can just watch them play and see the difference. And both Jones and DeVito have strengths and weaknesses that put them on the same grounds, looking like backup QBs. Statistically, Devito outperformed Jones last year. And Taylor did as well. In fact, watching Taylor was a breath of fresh air over Jones in the pocket.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 28, 2024 6:36:46 GMT -5
So you are saying both QBs played against the exact competition, playing at the exact same proficiency with the exact same availability of players? Because f not, your post is meaningless. I'll never get this take... If you think this, you would never be able to compare 2 QBs (or any other position) ever based on statistical evidence of production and wins/losses, the only thing to use outside of opinions and feel which are subjective. Since they don't play with the same teammates or against the same teams, it's meaningless to compare any QBs. Maybe Devito is the next Mahomes... OR, you can just watch them play and see the difference. And both Jones and DeVito have strengths and weaknesses that put them on the same grounds, looking like backup QBs. Statistically, Devito outperformed Jones last year. And Taylor did as well. In fact, watching Taylor was a breath of fresh air over Jones in the pocket. It’s okay that you don’t believe in perspective when considering performance. That’s your choice. I’m not a facts in a vacuum guy. I didn’t see any QB play well for the Giants last year. But I’m not going to compare numbers under different circumstances. Devito had a better winning pct last year than Justin Herbert. Herbert lost every game he played last year vs a good team. Look it up. Every game. He only beat bad teams. Who are you taking, Devito or Herbert? Because I’m still taking Herbert. Even with those stats.
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Post by mendy on Apr 28, 2024 6:40:31 GMT -5
The neglect of the oline at this draft was certainly a head scratcher. The team signed 5 FA O linemen before the draft and picked up 2 UDFA O linemen. Not the way I would have done it but neglect is not the word I would use.
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Post by mendy on Apr 28, 2024 7:40:13 GMT -5
Giants got their QB.............................................
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Post by jerseyrattler on Apr 28, 2024 7:42:38 GMT -5
New York Giants Undrafted Free Agents Updated 5/1/24
WR – Ayir Asante, Wyoming
WR – Chris Autman-Bell, Minnesota (Invited to Minicamp)
WR – Georden Porter, UConn (Invited to Minicamp)
WR – Jon Jiles, West Florida
TE – Jjay Mcafee, Georgia Southern (Invited to Minicamp)
TE – Treyton Pickering, Montana State (Invited to Minicamp)
OL – Jake Kubas, North Dakota State
OL – J.D. Duplain, Michigan State (Invited to Minicamp)
OL – Marcellus Johnson, Missouri
OL – William Barnes, North Carolina (Invited to Minicamp)
EDGE – Elijah Chatman, SMU (Invited to Minicamp)
EDGE – Ovie Oghoufo, LSU
DT – Casey Rogers, Oregon (Invited to Minicamp)
LB – Quae Drake, Jacksonville State
LB – Tristan Wheeler, Richmond (Invited to Minicamp)
LB - Andre White Jr. Ga. Tech
LB – Mase Funa, Oregon (Invited to Minicamp)
DB – Alex Johnson, UCLA
DB - Jeremiah Lewis, Duke
CB – Kalon Gervin, Kansas (Invited to Minicamp)
S – Kam Pedescleaux, Tulane (Invited to Minicamp)
S – Nash Fouch, Montana (Invited to Minicamp)
K - Jude McAtameny, Rutgers
QB - Liam Thompson, Wabash
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Post by Analyst on Apr 28, 2024 8:04:47 GMT -5
I'll never get this take... If you think this, you would never be able to compare 2 QBs (or any other position) ever based on statistical evidence of production and wins/losses, the only thing to use outside of opinions and feel which are subjective. Since they don't play with the same teammates or against the same teams, it's meaningless to compare any QBs. Maybe Devito is the next Mahomes... OR, you can just watch them play and see the difference. And both Jones and DeVito have strengths and weaknesses that put them on the same grounds, looking like backup QBs. Statistically, Devito outperformed Jones last year. And Taylor did as well. In fact, watching Taylor was a breath of fresh air over Jones in the pocket. It’s okay that you don’t believe in perspective when considering performance. That’s your choice. I’m not a facts in a vacuum guy. I didn’t see any QB play well for the Giants last year. But I’m not going to compare numbers under different circumstances. Devito had a better winning pct last year than Justin Herbert. Herbert lost every game he played last year vs a good team. Look it up. Every game. He only beat bad teams. Who are you taking, Devito or Herbert? Because I’m still taking Herbert. Even with those stats. Herbert. Because as I said, I watched them play. I also watched Daniel Jones play. And he isn't good. That Seattle game, the pick 6 to Witherspoon. That was it for me. Is DeVito the answer? No. Is Jones? No. One got drafted 6 overall and gets $40M a year. The other was undrafted and gets $1m a year. I'll let you decide what option is better.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 28, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5
It’s okay that you don’t believe in perspective when considering performance. That’s your choice. I’m not a facts in a vacuum guy. I didn’t see any QB play well for the Giants last year. But I’m not going to compare numbers under different circumstances. Devito had a better winning pct last year than Justin Herbert. Herbert lost every game he played last year vs a good team. Look it up. Every game. He only beat bad teams. Who are you taking, Devito or Herbert? Because I’m still taking Herbert. Even with those stats. Herbert. Because as I said, I watched them play. I also watched Daniel Jones play. And he isn't good. That Seattle game, the pick 6 to Witherspoon. That was it for me. Is DeVito the answer? No. Is Jones? No. One got drafted 6 overall and gets $40M a year. The other was undrafted and gets $1m a year. I'll let you decide what option is better. He threw a bad interception and that was it for you. Okay. This might be before your time but Devito is Pisarchik. The Giantsaremarried to Jones this year so it is what it is. Every team that drafts a QB without an Oline in place gets what it deserves…a broken QB.
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 28, 2024 11:37:56 GMT -5
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Post by keyofgmen on Apr 28, 2024 12:20:44 GMT -5
New York Giants Undrafted Free Agents
WR – Ayir Asante, Wyoming WR – Chris Autman-Bell, Minnesota (Invited to Minicamp) WR – Jon Jiles, West Florida TE – Jjay Mcafee, Georgia Southern (Invited to Minicamp) OL – Jake Kubas, North Dakota State OL – Marcellus Johnson, Missouri OL – William Barnes, North Carolina (Invited to Minicamp) EDGE – Ovie Oghoufo, LSU LB – Quae Drake, Jacksonville State LB – Tristan Wheeler, Richmond (Invited to Minicamp) DB – Alex Johnson, UCLA QB - Liam Thompson, Wabash Well, it's just highlights, but he seems to have nice deep ball and touch. Too often (even good NFL QBs) the receiver has to slow up on the deep ball. He seems to hit WR on the sprint, which is awesome! Good luck Kid...
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Post by presumablygunner on Apr 28, 2024 13:05:52 GMT -5
New York Giants Undrafted Free Agents
WR – Ayir Asante, Wyoming WR – Chris Autman-Bell, Minnesota (Invited to Minicamp) WR – Jon Jiles, West Florida TE – Jjay Mcafee, Georgia Southern (Invited to Minicamp) OL – Jake Kubas, North Dakota State OL – Marcellus Johnson, Missouri OL – William Barnes, North Carolina (Invited to Minicamp) EDGE – Ovie Oghoufo, LSU LB – Quae Drake, Jacksonville State LB – Tristan Wheeler, Richmond (Invited to Minicamp) DB – Alex Johnson, UCLA QB - Liam Thompson, Wabash Well, it's just highlights, but he seems to have nice deep ball and touch. Too often (even good NFL QBs) the receiver has to slow up on the deep ball. He seems to hit WR on the sprint, which is awesome! Good luck Kid... Good feet in the pocket. Good off platform throws. Can deliver from multiple angles. I like this tape and I rarely have anything good to say about QBs from the lower divisions. We may have a good project with Liam. One more thing. Throws with good anticipation especially downfield behind the safeties.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 13:28:29 GMT -5
I'll never get this take... If you think this, you would never be able to compare 2 QBs (or any other position) ever based on statistical evidence of production and wins/losses, the only thing to use outside of opinions and feel which are subjective. Since they don't play with the same teammates or against the same teams, it's meaningless to compare any QBs. Maybe Devito is the next Mahomes... OR, you can just watch them play and see the difference. And both Jones and DeVito have strengths and weaknesses that put them on the same grounds, looking like backup QBs. Statistically, Devito outperformed Jones last year. And Taylor did as well. In fact, watching Taylor was a breath of fresh air over Jones in the pocket. It’s okay that you don’t believe in perspective when considering performance. That’s your choice. I’m not a facts in a vacuum guy. I didn’t see any QB play well for the Giants last year. But I’m not going to compare numbers under different circumstances. Devito had a better winning pct last year than Justin Herbert. Herbert lost every game he played last year vs a good team. Look it up. Every game. He only beat bad teams. Who are you taking, Devito or Herbert? Because I’m still taking Herbert. Even with those stats. Yet perspective doesn’t allow you to see Jones’ fundamental flaws. Instead you always chose to blame the OL.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 28, 2024 14:02:50 GMT -5
The odds are stacked against them.. As roster spots are not guaranteed. But who says you cant make a splash in a sea of blue.. Victor Cruz is the name that bangs the loudest. He went from unknown.. to a sensation in one game. Rich Seubert who is a fan favorite. Fought tooth and nail to stick around. Cameron Wake who was the one who got away. Is an all time Dolphin.
Kerry Wynn played six years in the league. And Will Hill was smoking wide receivers over the middle before he turned to the doobie brothers. You also have Henry Hynoski, Mark Herzlich, and Spencer Paysinger. A lot of guys who didn’t listen to the whispers.. and kept their dreams alive.
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Post by presumablygunner on Apr 28, 2024 14:13:35 GMT -5
The odds are stacked against them.. As roster spots are not guaranteed. But who says you cant make a splash in a sea of blue.. Victor Cruz is the name that bangs the loudest. He went from unknown.. to a sensation in one game. Rich Seubert who is a fan favorite. Fought tooth and nail to stick around. Cameron Wake who was the one who got away. Is an all time Dolphin. Kerry Wynn played six years in the league. And Will Hill was smoking wide receivers over the middle before he turned to the doobie brothers. You also have Henry Hynoski, Mark Herzlich, and Spencer Paysinger. A lot of guys who didn’t listen to the whispers.. and kept their dreams alive. anyone who references will hill is good in my book.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 28, 2024 16:05:41 GMT -5
Which QB would you prefer from the same team in the same season? QB A. 6 starts. W/L....1-5. 909 yards. 2 TD's. 6 Int's. QB B. 6 starts. W/L.. 3-3. 1101 yards. 8 TD's. 3 Int's. I kinda like QB B. What about you? So you are saying both QBs played against the exact competition, playing at the exact same proficiency with the exact same availability of players? Because f not, your post is meaningless. You don't pay a QB $40 million if you think he can't handle NFL competition. The excuse making for DJ, over semantics, is comical. If DJ isn't good enough to play well against the best teams, like an UDFA did, don't pay him. DJ has NEVER played well against good defenses...last year was nothing new.
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Post by dreamteam2007 on Apr 28, 2024 19:37:57 GMT -5
Devito looks like a QB you sign when there is a player strike. He stinks. I do think Lock has potential to surprise. Taulia I know you’ve liked. He’s got talent but doesn’t make the best decisions or throws with pressure on or crunch time. He’s athletic and can make plays and he’s also accurate. I would take Hartman or Taulia as a FA and hope we struck….if not gold silver.DJ is a tarnished Bronze. Hartman looked good playing all ACC teams then competition got harder at Notre Dame where he didn’t shine so bright. Which QB would you prefer from the same team in the same season? QB A. 6 starts. W/L....1-5. 909 yards. 2 TD's. 6 Int's. QB B. 6 starts. W/L.. 3-3. 1101 yards. 8 TD's. 3 Int's. I kinda like QB B. What about you? I'll take the one who led us to a playoff win the year before carrying a bad oline and wr group on his back.. and the one who didnt have andrew thomas in his stats and played tough defenses like dallas, san fran with most of the oline in shambles
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Post by lt56 on Apr 29, 2024 11:50:15 GMT -5
Alex Johnson looks like a very Versatile Ball Hawking DB
hopefully some of these guys can at least develop into good Special Teams guys
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 13:59:25 GMT -5
Herbert. Because as I said, I watched them play. I also watched Daniel Jones play. And he isn't good. That Seattle game, the pick 6 to Witherspoon. That was it for me. Is DeVito the answer? No. Is Jones? No. One got drafted 6 overall and gets $40M a year. The other was undrafted and gets $1m a year. I'll let you decide what option is better. He threw a bad interception and that was it for you. Okay. This might be before your time but Devito is Pisarchik. The Giantsaremarried to Jones this year so it is what it is. Every team that drafts a QB without an Oline in place gets what it deserves…a broken QB. Joe Burrow isn’t a broken QB. Jordan Love isn’t a broken QB. Herbert isn’t a broken QB. I wonder if the have a certain sect of fans that make excuses such as “shell shocked” and “he’s been Carr’d” as well.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 29, 2024 14:25:12 GMT -5
He threw a bad interception and that was it for you. Okay. This might be before your time but Devito is Pisarchik. The Giantsaremarried to Jones this year so it is what it is. Every team that drafts a QB without an Oline in place gets what it deserves…a broken QB. Joe Burrow isn’t a broken QB. Jordan Love isn’t a broken QB. Herbert isn’t a broken QB. I wonder if the have a certain sect of fans that make excuses such as “shell shocked” and “he’s been Carr’d” as well. You’re right. And last I checked Burrow has missed how many games? Love and Herbert were sacked 86 times like the Giants QBs? Check Herbert’s team’s record last year. They beat not one good team on their way to 5 wins. There was talk of trading him. Actually I wish the Giants got him. Jordan Love has a much better team than the Giants. No? GB 1.6 sacks per game. LAC 2.5 sacks per game NYG 5.0 sacks per game. Simple math. The Giants had more sacks than both teams combined. But you carry on.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 14:42:03 GMT -5
Joe Burrow isn’t a broken QB. Jordan Love isn’t a broken QB. Herbert isn’t a broken QB. I wonder if the have a certain sect of fans that make excuses such as “shell shocked” and “he’s been Carr’d” as well. You’re right. And last I checked Burrow has missed how many games? Love and Herbert were sacked 86 times like the Giants QBs? Check Herbert’s team’s record last year. They beat not one good team on their way to 5 wins. There was talk of trading him. Actually I wish the Giants got him. Jordan Love has a much better team than the Giants. No? GB 1.6 sacks per game. LAC 2.5 sacks per game NYG 5.0 sacks per game. But you carry on. Ok. No way to argue with the excuse train. You do you.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 29, 2024 15:07:52 GMT -5
You’re right. And last I checked Burrow has missed how many games? Love and Herbert were sacked 86 times like the Giants QBs? Check Herbert’s team’s record last year. They beat not one good team on their way to 5 wins. There was talk of trading him. Actually I wish the Giants got him. Jordan Love has a much better team than the Giants. No? GB 1.6 sacks per game. LAC 2.5 sacks per game NYG 5.0 sacks per game. But you carry on. Ok. No way to argue with the excuse train. You do you. As I’ve said many times, they are married to Jones for this year. If he plays well he stays and if he doesn’t, he sits and then goes. To constantly just complain about him like you and others do day in and day out might make you feel better but accomplishes nothing.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:54 GMT -5
Ok. No way to argue with the excuse train. You do you. As I’ve said many times, they are married to Jones for this year. If he plays well he stays and if he doesn’t, he sits and then goes. To constantly just complain about him like you and others do day in and day out might make you feel better but accomplishes nothing. You're too emotional about Jones to be rational about Jones (which is creepy assuming you're a grown man). I don't complain about Jones. I just call his game as I see it. And I'm also on record a few times leading up to the draft that we can't move on from him this season. So I don't know why your feelers are all in a frenzy.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 29, 2024 15:32:00 GMT -5
As I’ve said many times, they are married to Jones for this year. If he plays well he stays and if he doesn’t, he sits and then goes. To constantly just complain about him like you and others do day in and day out might make you feel better but accomplishes nothing. You're too emotional about Jones to be rational about Jones (which is creepy assuming you're a grown man). I don't complain about Jones. I just call his game as I see it. And I'm also on record a few times leading up to the draft that we can't move on from him this season. So I don't know why your feelers are all in a frenzy. As you always tend to do, even under your prior screen name, when confronted by rational explanations that you don’t agree with, you try and make it personal. Sorry. Not going to bite LT. Enjoy your day or ruin it fixating on the demise of Daniel Jones. I’m out.
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Post by mendy on Apr 29, 2024 18:32:06 GMT -5
Joe Burrow isn’t a broken QB. Jordan Love isn’t a broken QB. Herbert isn’t a broken QB. I wonder if the have a certain sect of fans that make excuses such as “shell shocked” and “he’s been Carr’d” as well. You’re right. And last I checked Burrow has missed how many games? Love and Herbert were sacked 86 times like the Giants QBs? Check Herbert’s team’s record last year. They beat not one good team on their way to 5 wins. There was talk of trading him. Actually I wish the Giants got him. Jordan Love has a much better team than the Giants. No? GB 1.6 sacks per game. LAC 2.5 sacks per game NYG 5.0 sacks per game. Simple math. The Giants had more sacks than both teams combined. But you carry on. If I could exband , Jones was sacked 17 times in 7 days.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 20:31:12 GMT -5
You're too emotional about Jones to be rational about Jones (which is creepy assuming you're a grown man). I don't complain about Jones. I just call his game as I see it. And I'm also on record a few times leading up to the draft that we can't move on from him this season. So I don't know why your feelers are all in a frenzy. As you always tend to do, even under your prior screen name, when confronted by rational explanations that you don’t agree with, you try and make it personal. Sorry. Not going to bite LT. Enjoy your day or ruin it fixating on the demise of Daniel Jones. I’m out. Okay so you're now introducing the third "you're ------- screen name" since I became a member here. And just like your football takes, you're off base. Not surprised at your white flag waving. Trying to formulate any sort of football take other than defending a man-idol with such gems as: No one can play QB behind this OL. This OL ruined my mancrush Jones. He's shell shocked due to the OL He's been Carr'd I hope he goes to another team where he can become the All Pro QB I know him to be He has no weapons Put him on KC and he'd win multiple SBs also Did I get them all? Or are there still a few crumbs on your plate? lol, now enjoy your life being a grown man emotionally attached to a 20-something man. (holy shit... typed out that makes you even sadder than we originally thought)
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2024 23:58:51 GMT -5
Joe Burrow isn’t a broken QB. Jordan Love isn’t a broken QB. Herbert isn’t a broken QB. I wonder if the have a certain sect of fans that make excuses such as “shell shocked” and “he’s been Carr’d” as well. You’re right. And last I checked Burrow has missed how many games?
Love and Herbert were sacked 86 times like the Giants QBs? Check Herbert’s team’s record last year. They beat not one good team on their way to 5 wins. There was talk of trading him. Actually I wish the Giants got him. Jordan Love has a much better team than the Giants. No? GB 1.6 sacks per game. LAC 2.5 sacks per game NYG 5.0 sacks per game. Simple math. The Giants had more sacks than both teams combined. But you carry on. I was going to say, 3 major injuries in 4 seasons. Burrow isn't broken, he's got some serious structural damage. And the Bengals gave him $219 million in injury guarantees.
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