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Post by keyofgmen on Apr 28, 2024 10:04:01 GMT -5
I have said in before that I would have a soft rule to draft an OL in the 1st 3 picks each year. Not getting any is a bit concerning, but with FA pickups, I guess and hope that they pan out...
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Post by TEM on Apr 28, 2024 10:16:09 GMT -5
We were not taking O-line or EDGE with the money we spent in FA. IMO: They were off the table before the draft. IMO great moves in FA on both groups. Not getting a whole lot done with only 6 picks. A DT was a maybe for me. But that was only if we moved down and gained a few picks. There are more concerns about this draft than an OG we didn't take for me. I get the idea, but I feel like that's how you remain a losing franchise. What pass up a top OL prospect in hopes Runyan save the day for the interior? Not saying we did, but in theory. You don't draft that way. Runyan and Eluemunor are short term pieces. If you see a stud OLman, you take him. Eluemunor will wind up our RT IMO, and then who are the guards? What if Runyan gets hurt? Can't draft that way IMO. This is just my opinion. I have some trust in the FO competency. There something I see that I would not do. But I look at it as an equation. I get all math and no philosophy creates its own set of problems. With that said. They vetted all the players. They have an idea what their abilities are and what they are lacking. At the end of the day Coach them to what they can do. Stop trying to get them to do what they are incapable of. And let them play their game. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 28, 2024 10:19:24 GMT -5
Drafting a Guard that high would've been a baffling move considering our other needs.. Pay two Guards $7-$10M per year respectively then send one to the bench... What the hell are we doing? And then who is our other CB or Safety? The Giants built a more complete roster doing things they way they did.
It’s the third round. You pass on the highly touted Guard for a CB that doesn’t make interceptions? That’s why they lose. Right, and I already fixed the position in free agency. Now I am going to change my mind and put $10M on the bench? That would show I didn't have a plan. I do the sensible thing and address the other huge holes on the roster. |
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2024 10:30:28 GMT -5
At OG, yes. I think Eluemunor is going to beat out Neal for the RT position, and I think either of those two would've beat out Neal for the starting OG position.
As hopeful as I may be when it comes to my beloved GMen, expecting anything from Neal, EZ, and McKethan at this point is a risk. Nobody is a sure thing, so Beebe and Haynes could absolutely bust, but these three have shown next to nothing their first two seasons. While it may be a ridiculous use of resources short term, I'm just ready to have a proper OL.
I usually like to give drafts picks 3 years to solidify thier role. You usually see the 3rd year as the year draft picks breakout. This year we'll see what Schoens 2022 draft class really is. I am expecting a lot from KT,Neal,Wandale, Flott and Ezedu. Micah McFadden already seems to be an important role player and Beavers was impressing before his injury. Is he still on the team? Bellinger seems to have a role on the team also. Man, I had high hopes for Beavers. I honestly can’t remember if he’s still on the team. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 28, 2024 10:40:31 GMT -5
Drafting a Guard that high would've been a baffling move considering our other needs.. Pay two Guards $7-$10M per year respectively then send one to the bench... What the hell are we doing? And then who is our other CB or Safety? The Giants built a more complete roster doing things they way they did. No one is talking about sending one to the bench but can you name the last time a Giants OL made it through the season without injuries?
I'm good with the pick, CB is a big need; but no way they make that pick if they don't have confidence the Neal will be a decent starter for them.
I get that, but that 's why they signed Stinnie and Schlottmann. And Ezuedu and McKethan are young draft picks who are still in the mix. And Neal is still a consideration at Guard if he fails at RT. So we essentially already have 3 options for starting Guards. |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 28, 2024 11:20:31 GMT -5
I get the idea, but I feel like that's how you remain a losing franchise. What pass up a top OL prospect in hopes Runyan save the day for the interior? Not saying we did, but in theory. You don't draft that way. Runyan and Eluemunor are short term pieces. If you see a stud OLman, you take him. Eluemunor will wind up our RT IMO, and then who are the guards? What if Runyan gets hurt? Can't draft that way IMO. I think free agency can influence your draft but mostly in the first round. We signed Runyan and Eluemunor so it pretty much took Alt off the board. In round 2 or 3 though I don't think that matters. You take the player you need.
No matter what though they must be sold on Neal otherwise no way they pass on those guys.
They already talked about moving Neal to guard. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2024 11:29:11 GMT -5
I think free agency can influence your draft but mostly in the first round. We signed Runyan and Eluemunor so it pretty much took Alt off the board. In round 2 or 3 though I don't think that matters. You take the player you need.
No matter what though they must be sold on Neal otherwise no way they pass on those guys.
They already talked about moving Neal to guard. Yeah they are sold on Neal being a starter (either OT or OG). I just can't imagine they'd pass on a quality OG if they didn't think he was going to be able to start. |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 28, 2024 11:35:44 GMT -5
Offensive line and secondary are two positions that should be restocked yearly.. You can set your watch to injuries ravaging both positions. Training camp.. pre season.. regular season. That’s a lot of football where ligaments and tendons are worked to the max. This draft was that of plugging holes. Besides quarterback which is a black hole.
They attacked positions of need aggressively. The Cowboys who can find linemen on the moon are no strangers to the position. Plug and play is their motto. Pro bowl and all pros are expected. They can turn a molehill into a mountain in no time. They are the gold standard to the development and production of the offensive line.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 28, 2024 12:03:24 GMT -5
Offensive line and secondary are two positions that should be restocked yearly.. You can set your watch to injuries ravaging both positions. Training camp.. pre season.. regular season. That’s a lot of football where ligaments and tendons are worked to the max. This draft was that of plugging holes. Besides quarterback which is a black hole. They attacked positions of need aggressively. The Cowboys who can find linemen on the moon are no strangers to the position. Plug and play is their motto. Pro bowl and all pros are expected. They can turn a molehill into a mountain in no time. They are the gold standard to the development and production of the offensive line. OL, DL, DB, WR... every draft. Then need like QB, LB, TE, RB if needed |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 12:06:51 GMT -5
The Giants just told us, we are not two players away and we trust our QB, trust our OL and trust our DL
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Post by Jomo on Apr 28, 2024 12:27:49 GMT -5
Thinking that our offensive line was better than it was, cost our last twp general managers their jobs. And it may cost this GM his job as well, but at some point he has to rely on his evaluations of the guys that he has brought in rather than keep drafting over those guys when we have tons of other needs on this team. Totally understand and agree with that and he's closest to the evaluating process. Imagine if Neal emerges as a first rate starting RT or OL? This is where GMs earn their keep in establishing draft and cap priorities alongside the talent we've assembled. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 28, 2024 12:31:36 GMT -5
.....and by the way our roster still has a long way to go. Like many teams, no matter what, we will enter the season with some soft spits on our roster. That's where coaching comes in.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2024 13:15:10 GMT -5
The Giants just told us, we are not two players away and we trust our QB, trust our OL and trust our DL Alternatively, could they be telling us that they don’t have the resources to fill all the needs we have now? |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 13:31:06 GMT -5
Beebe and Haynes were two terrific OG candidates and I see a ton of talk of them in all the threads about the draft. I was shocked we skipped on them in round 2 after the run on DTs and CBs. Then we skipped them both in round 3 as well and I was floored. My only thought is that Schoen and Daboll must be absolutely sold on Neal being a good OG/OT this year. It's a risk to say the least. I hope it pays off.
Will Hernandez and Weston Richburg were terrific interior OL prospects/candidates too. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 28, 2024 13:53:37 GMT -5
Beebe and Haynes were two terrific OG candidates and I see a ton of talk of them in all the threads about the draft. I was shocked we skipped on them in round 2 after the run on DTs and CBs. Then we skipped them both in round 3 as well and I was floored. My only thought is that Schoen and Daboll must be absolutely sold on Neal being a good OG/OT this year. It's a risk to say the least. I hope it pays off.
Will Hernandez and Weston Richburg were terrific interior OL prospects/candidates too. Hog molly bullshit from the last GM. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 14:22:06 GMT -5
The Giants just told us, we are not two players away and we trust our QB, trust our OL and trust our DL Alternatively, could they be telling us that they don’t have the resources to fill all the needs we have now? Imo, building from the inside out is how to build a foundation for success. Imo, starting with Reese, the team tried to build from the outside in by neglecting the line by not stabilizing so simply added on occasion to acknowledge. Yes, they added some OL in free agency yet six picks and adding no player to the DL for a 17 game schedule is a joke imo. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 14:42:13 GMT -5
Alternatively, could they be telling us that they don’t have the resources to fill all the needs we have now? Imo, building from the inside out is how to build a foundation for success. Imo, starting with Reese, the team tried to build from the outside in by neglecting the line by not stabilizing so simply added on occasion to acknowledge. Yes, they added some OL in free agency yet six picks and adding no player to the DL for a 17 game schedule is a joke imo. I agree to a certain extent about the trenches. It’s 1a and 1b with respect to both sides of the ball regarding the passing game. Today’s NFL is all about passing. Creating an offense around passing and a defense about stopping it. On defense you need DL/pass rush and a multitude of DBs. On offense you obviously need a QB, OL and two outside WRs and a slot. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 28, 2024 15:17:44 GMT -5
Beebe and Haynes were two terrific OG candidates and I see a ton of talk of them in all the threads about the draft. I was shocked we skipped on them in round 2 after the run on DTs and CBs. Then we skipped them both in round 3 as well and I was floored. My only thought is that Schoen and Daboll must be absolutely sold on Neal being a good OG/OT this year. It's a risk to say the least. I hope it pays off.
Will Hernandez and Weston Richburg were terrific interior OL prospects/candidates too. Schmitz was the highest graded Center in the draft, and one of the lowest rated Centers in the NFL. |
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Post by lt56 on Apr 28, 2024 15:40:32 GMT -5
hate that the Cowboys got Beebe that is a really good pick
However we did sign a lot of Lineman but also too you keep developing Joshua Ezeudu and Marcus McKethan
Ezeudu is key if Neal struggles continue and Eluemunor has to move back to Right Tackle
Drafting haven't been working so maybe they trying something different lol
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 28, 2024 15:52:22 GMT -5
The problem for Schoen, and mostly by his own doing, is this team needed (and still needs) so much, there was no wrong way to draft, but it was also impossible to fill all the holes.
If Schoen had focused on the OLine and DLine, there would be threads about the secondary. Although I do agree, I'm shocked Schoen hasn't added more OLine depth, especially since Neal is still a starter, and even more surprised he hasn't added DTs. This team needs 2 DTs just to have a serviceable rotation.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -5
TIf Schoen had focused on the OLine and DLine, there would be threads about the secondary. And no weapons for Jones. "Joe Montana in his prime would suck on this team." |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2024 16:46:22 GMT -5
Alternatively, could they be telling us that they don’t have the resources to fill all the needs we have now? Imo, building from the inside out is how to build a foundation for success. Imo, starting with Reese, the team tried to build from the outside in by neglecting the line by not stabilizing so simply added on occasion to acknowledge. Yes, they added some OL in free agency yet six picks and adding no player to the DL for a 17 game schedule is a joke imo. They added IDL in each of the last two drafts and signed a veteran FA from the Bills, no? I mean once you get past the first couple of rounds, is there much of a benefit to adding a developmental IDL for the 3rd draft in a row given that we had only 6 picks and holes to fill over the roster? |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 28, 2024 17:08:46 GMT -5
Thomas 25
Runyan 26
JMS 23
Neal 23
Eluemunor 29
Stinnie 30
Sholttmann 28
Ezeudu 24
McKethan 24
Cajuste 28
Neal, Ezeudu & McKethan going into their 3rd year from the 2022 draft. 3rd year jumps from them will be critical.
Best case scenario: FA signings are quality and the 3rd year players take a big step in development
Worst case scenario: FA signings don't prove to be worth the money. 3rd year players continue to struggle
Middle ground: FA signing are quality, but 3rd year players continue to struggle/FA signings don't prove to be worth the money, but 3rd year players take a big step in development.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 18:14:57 GMT -5
Imo, building from the inside out is how to build a foundation for success. Imo, starting with Reese, the team tried to build from the outside in by neglecting the line by not stabilizing so simply added on occasion to acknowledge. Yes, they added some OL in free agency yet six picks and adding no player to the DL for a 17 game schedule is a joke imo. They added IDL in each of the last two drafts and signed a veteran FA from the Bills, no? I mean once you get past the first couple of rounds, is there much of a benefit to adding a developmental IDL for the 3rd draft in a row given that we had only 6 picks and holes to fill over the roster? The Giants lost Williams while the FA is questionsble. And no, i think by Round 3 it should have been DL. My plan was QB or move back. |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2024 19:58:20 GMT -5
They added IDL in each of the last two drafts and signed a veteran FA from the Bills, no? I mean once you get past the first couple of rounds, is there much of a benefit to adding a developmental IDL for the 3rd draft in a row given that we had only 6 picks and holes to fill over the roster? The Giants lost Williams while the FA is questionsble. And no, i think by Round 3 it should have been DL. My plan was QB or move back. What DL did you want in Round 3? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 20:03:49 GMT -5
The Giants lost Williams while the FA is questionsble. And no, i think by Round 3 it should have been DL. My plan was QB or move back. What DL did you want in Round 3? wanted Jenkins in Round 2 |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 29, 2024 5:01:23 GMT -5
What DL did you want in Round 3? wanted Jenkins in Round 2 Big Michigan fan here and was only meh on Jenkins. Liked our pick better. We’lll see how it turns out though I guess …. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 5:29:47 GMT -5
wanted Jenkins in Round 2 Big Michigan fan here and was only meh on Jenkins. Liked our pick better. We’lll see how it turns out though I guess …. nubin is certainly a good prospect. I liked many safeties. |
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