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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2024 16:33:01 GMT -5
Joe Schoen’s message of patience is a tough sell as he enters Year 3 with a roster led by the QB he gave a $160M contract. It’s not demanding “instant gratification” to expect a team at this stage of its build to be ready to contend:EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — A year after trying to “expedite the process,” New York Giants general manager Joe Schoen has changed his tune. Now, Schoen is preaching patience and emphasizing how it will take time to build the roster.
That’s a tough message to send entering Year 3. A surprisingly successful debut season raised expectations and led to Schoen’s attempt to speed up the rebuild around Daniel Jones after giving the quarterback a four-year, $160 million contract.theathletic.com/5454237/2024/04/28/new-york-giants-nfl-draft-joe-schoen-patienceI like Schoen, but I agree with Dan.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 29, 2024 17:03:05 GMT -5
Just give him 10 years guys…that’s all he needs.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 29, 2024 18:08:07 GMT -5
Year 1: Made the playoffs and won a game.
Year 2: Disastrous year with major injuries.
I don't think he's selling anything that's a "tough sell". He seems to be building a solid team with a good foundation.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 29, 2024 18:10:07 GMT -5
"The waiting is the hardest part."
-Tom Petty
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Post by mendy on Apr 29, 2024 18:21:52 GMT -5
Joe Schoen’s message of patience is a tough sell as he enters Year 3 with a roster led by the QB he gave a $160M contract. It’s not demanding “instant gratification” to expect a team at this stage of its build to be ready to contend:EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — A year after trying to “expedite the process,” New York Giants general manager Joe Schoen has changed his tune. Now, Schoen is preaching patience and emphasizing how it will take time to build the roster.
That’s a tough message to send entering Year 3. A surprisingly successful debut season raised expectations and led to Schoen’s attempt to speed up the rebuild around Daniel Jones after giving the quarterback a four-year, $160 million contract.theathletic.com/5454237/2024/04/28/new-york-giants-nfl-draft-joe-schoen-patienceI like Schoen, but I agree with Dan. Not addressing you but phuck Dan. |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 29, 2024 18:23:46 GMT -5
Mark my words, just wait til 2025 when we cut DJ, sell the farm to move up, and draft our future QB.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2024 18:37:02 GMT -5
Mark my words, just wait til 2025 when we cut DJ, sell the farm to move up, and draft our future QB. Then how many more years are we talking about? |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 29, 2024 18:48:30 GMT -5
Just give him 10 years guys…that’s all he needs. Well, that's what Daniel Jones is getting so why not. |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 29, 2024 18:49:28 GMT -5
Mark my words, just wait til 2025 when we cut DJ, sell the farm to move up, and draft our future QB. How about we just get the #1 pick the old school way and not have to sell the farm. |
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Post by balloonknot on Apr 29, 2024 18:53:14 GMT -5
Year 1: Made the playoffs and won a game. Year 2: Disastrous year with major injuries. I don't think he's selling anything that's a "tough sell". He seems to be building a solid team with a good foundation. I so agree with this. The team overachieved the 1st season. And under performed the 2nd again with huge amount of injuries. No team in the NFL really competes when the 3rd string QB is taking a large percentage of snaps. So here we are year 3. I think we have an improved line. Improved WR core, This is it. The absolute last chance for Jones, So he better be ready week1 or he may find himself LOCKed into a backup role. What do we do next year. No Idea. I think our starting QB in 2025 is not on the roster. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 19:02:45 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away”
Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back
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Post by hadenough on Apr 29, 2024 19:14:11 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back I thought that was the move. Trade back…get someone’s 2nd. You could’ve gotten your WR, S, and OL. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 29, 2024 19:22:46 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back Because when you're this bad, and the coaches job is hanging in the balance, you absolutely have to hit on your pick with an impact player. The further they move back the less likely they are to get an impact player. Yes they can find one later, but not messing around and instead adding a player you think can have a Diggs level impact on your team is the right move. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 29, 2024 19:30:44 GMT -5
Joe Schoen’s message of patience is a tough sell as he enters Year 3 with a roster led by the QB he gave a $160M contract. It’s not demanding “instant gratification” to expect a team at this stage of its build to be ready to contend:EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — A year after trying to “expedite the process,” New York Giants general manager Joe Schoen has changed his tune. Now, Schoen is preaching patience and emphasizing how it will take time to build the roster.
That’s a tough message to send entering Year 3. A surprisingly successful debut season raised expectations and led to Schoen’s attempt to speed up the rebuild around Daniel Jones after giving the quarterback a four-year, $160 million contract.theathletic.com/5454237/2024/04/28/new-york-giants-nfl-draft-joe-schoen-patienceI like Schoen, but I agree with Dan. Not addressing you but phuck Dan. 😂😂 what could you possibly have against Dan Duggan, easily the best reporter the Giants beat? Plugged in, always insightful, and usually fair to great takes that don't overreact one way or another. |
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Post by Speedman on Apr 29, 2024 19:30:45 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back Maybe no one was looking to move up to pick #6. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 19:36:53 GMT -5
Just give him 10 years guys…that’s all he needs. He has a plan, according to most of his defenders, but good luck getting any of them to tell us what it is. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 19:49:43 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back Because when you're this bad, and the coaches job is hanging in the balance, you absolutely have to hit on your pick with an impact player. The further they move back the less likely they are to get an impact player. Yes they can find one later, but not messing around and instead adding a player you think can have a Diggs level impact on your team is the right move. why is the coaches job hanging in the balance? He was coach of the year and lost his QB last yr if this Shoen is looking for his Diggs, and wanted to move up for his Allen and keeps wants to keep collecting spare parts from Buffalo this isn’t going to work. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 19:50:45 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back Maybe no one was looking to move up to pick #6. and maybe nobody called Gettleman for the 2nd pick overall too |
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Post by mendy on Apr 29, 2024 19:54:28 GMT -5
Just give him 10 years guys…that’s all he needs. He has a plan, according to most of his defenders, but good luck getting any of them to tell us what it is. Listen and Learn................. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 29, 2024 19:56:46 GMT -5
Because when you're this bad, and the coaches job is hanging in the balance, you absolutely have to hit on your pick with an impact player. The further they move back the less likely they are to get an impact player. Yes they can find one later, but not messing around and instead adding a player you think can have a Diggs level impact on your team is the right move. why is the coaches job hanging in the balance? He was coach of the year and lost his QB last yr if this Shoen is looking for his Diggs, and wanted to move up for his Allen and keeps wants to keep collecting spare parts from Buffalo this isn’t going to work. The coach is an offensive guru and we put one of the worst offenses ever on the field last year. He can't afford to have that happen again. He needs to score and win. These owners just fired 3 coaches in a row after 2 seasons. How many seasons of red headed Daboll will they put up with if he's putting a crap product on the field. I agree last year isn't really his fault, but if he doesn't do good this year then his seat will be on fire.
Not sure what your last sentence means lol. Adding a WR 1 to any roster has a tremendous impact, Schoen/Daboll seen it first hand and the rest of the league knows this. Hell the Chiefs just traded up for a WR they wanted and they have Patrick Mahommes and Travis Swift. They needed an impact player and they got one.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 20:03:12 GMT -5
why is the coaches job hanging in the balance? He was coach of the year and lost his QB last yr if this Shoen is looking for his Diggs, and wanted to move up for his Allen and keeps wants to keep collecting spare parts from Buffalo this isn’t going to work. The coach is an offensive guru and we put one of the worst offenses ever on the field last year. He can't afford to have that happen again. He needs to score and win. These owners just fired 3 coaches in a row after 2 seasons. How many seasons of red headed Daboll will they put up with if he's putting a crap product on the field. I agree last year isn't really his fault, but if he doesn't do good this year then his seat will be on fire.
Not sure what your last sentence means lol. Adding a WR 1 to any roster has a tremendous impact, Schoen/Daboll seen it first hand and the rest of the league knows this. Hell the Chiefs just traded up for a WR they wanted and they have Patrick Mahommes and Travis Swift. They needed an impact player and they got one.
he’s not a guru, he’s a football coach who had a QB who lived with his parents and no offensive line. Just b/c front office are a dysfunctional family doesn’t another coach is on the hot seat imo. and the last sentence means our GM is obsessed with becoming the Bills and so are certain fans. And the Chiefs? They just traded up with the rival Bills need a WR |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 20:10:29 GMT -5
He has a plan, according to most of his defenders, but good luck getting any of them to tell us what it is. Listen and Learn................. Always good to hear from the BINGO player |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 20:22:39 GMT -5
Year 1: Made the playoffs and won a game. Year 2: Disastrous year with major injuries. I don't think he's selling anything that's a "tough sell". He seems to be building a solid team with a good foundation. I so agree with this. The team overachieved the 1st season. And under performed the 2nd again with huge amount of injuries. No team in the NFL really competes when the 3rd string QB is taking a large percentage of snaps. So here we are year 3. I think we have an improved line. Improved WR core, This is it. The absolute last chance for Jones, So he better be ready week1 or he may find himself LOCKed into a backup role. What do we do next year. No Idea. I think our starting QB in 2025 is not on the roster. The 2025 QB isn't on the roster because Schoen signed DJ to an unnecessary contract, so many seem to ignore that. A rookie QB rarely plays well, so it's going to be 2026 before this team has a real chance at succeeding. It's not just DJ, it's picks, and money, wasted on Waller. It's every OLine move being a disaster. It's letting tradeable assets walk for nothing. There's holes in the roster and no depth anywhere. It goes way beyond DJ...he's made A LOT of mistakes fans intentionally overlook. |
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Post by hadenough on Apr 29, 2024 20:27:03 GMT -5
Just give him 10 years guys…that’s all he needs. He has a plan, according to most of his defenders, but good luck getting any of them to tell us what it is. Haha…like, I get it. Every GM has some kind of plan. I just can’t seem to see what Schoen is trying to do. I think I’m done criticizing Schoens off-season. Time to just let this season play out. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2024 20:28:54 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back At least he’s more realistic than some of the homers on this board, one of the few things I’ll give him credit for lately. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 20:39:07 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back What team wanted to trade up to 6? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 20:40:12 GMT -5
Shoen said “we are not two players away” Which reallt makes me wonder why the Giants didn’t trade back What team wanted to trade up to 6? which didn’t? |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 20:41:03 GMT -5
He has a plan, according to most of his defenders, but good luck getting any of them to tell us what it is. Haha…like, I get it. Every GM has some kind of plan. I just can’t seem to see what Schoen is trying to do. I think I’m done criticizing Schoens off-season. Time to just let this season play out. He's building a team to stop the passing game and to pass the ball. You know, a modern NFL team. Just needs to wait until after 2024 to plug in his QB1. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2024 20:41:28 GMT -5
I so agree with this. The team overachieved the 1st season. And under performed the 2nd again with huge amount of injuries. No team in the NFL really competes when the 3rd string QB is taking a large percentage of snaps. So here we are year 3. I think we have an improved line. Improved WR core, This is it. The absolute last chance for Jones, So he better be ready week1 or he may find himself LOCKed into a backup role. What do we do next year. No Idea. I think our starting QB in 2025 is not on the roster. The 2025 QB isn't on the roster because Schoen signed him to an unnecessary contract.so many seem to ignore that. A rookie QB rarely plays well, so it's going to be 2026 before this ymteam has a real chance at succeeding. It's not just DJ, it's picks, and money, wasted on Waller. It's every OLine move being a disaster. It's letting tradeable assets walk for nothing. There's holes in the roster and no depth anywhere. It goes way beyond DJ...he's made A LOT of mistakes fans intentionally overlook. Yup, that’s why I’d rather we would have taken a swing and possible miss on a QB this year. IF DJ shits the bed they will be forced to sign/trade for a vet FA OR draft a rookie that they clearly won’t want OR be in the position to draft without giving up a shitload of future picks which won’t happen IMO. Even if they get said QB, they have to hope they nailed it and they also either have to pay DJ 50 million next year and let the rookie sit a year (plays in 2026 and hopefully lights it up) or throw him to the wolves which a lot of people here think is a great idea once we have a loaded roster which should happen by year 4 of a rebuild if the GM is worth a shit. Basically if DJ doesn’t prove to be a franchise QB this year, not just a little above average, then we’re f’ed for a few more years unless we overpay for a vet ro hopefully save the day (Cousins and Dak, lol). But remember you can never “force” a QB pick which is exactly what they’ll be doing next year if DJ sucks or unless they’re picking in the top 3-4 and they still may not get a good QB. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 20:41:53 GMT -5
What team wanted to trade up to 6? which didn’t? Loosely translated, "I don't have a clue if a team wanted to trade up. But it sounds awesome on a message board to simply claim, 'we should have traded back.'" Keep doing you. |
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