Klint Kubiak for Giants new HC

[southerner]

Klint Kubiak is the Saints OC this season and look what he has done to the normally staid Saint offense in his first season…..hire him to replace the ineffective Daboll and you have a smart HC and a great offensive mind…hire someone from the Steeler, Rams or Eagle Management office to replace Schoen.

[Bigjeep]

But he's not crazy! Taking the Head Coaching job for the NY Giants is a career ending job.                     

[TEM]

Yeah, let's hire another no experience HC.

[Analyst]

Problem is, you aren't bringing him here to be the OC, it's to be the HC.

The same thing was said about Daboll. He did great things in Buffalo.

I wanted Jim Harbaugh so bad. Look what he is doing with the Chargers now.

[cdngfan]

The lottery number we've been playing isn't winning us anything, lets switch the lottery number because that will improve our odds.........math peeps should be able to spot the faulty logic there.

I don't know if Daboll is a good head coach. More importantly, I don't know if Daboll can change or improve as a head coach, or is he a "take me or leave me" kinda leader.

But whoever our next head coach is, its shouldn't be a guess based on the same tired formula of raiding a successful team's coaching staff for some coordinator who's been deemed "ready".

Both TEM and Analyst nailed my opinion. Firing our rookie HC to hire a rookie HC seems like the definition of insanity. Our next HC should be someone our GM has done a massive amount of research on, for more than the Oct-Jan timeframe, and it should probably be an experienced HC, or someone who is going to align with how the team has been built over the last 3 years.

The assumption that what works is tearing something down and rebuilding it every 2-3 years until you get it right is part of the problem. Good organizations don't just "guess" at these things.

[hadenough]

Here’s numero uno….the Mara’s don’t seem to understand coaches and/or GMs. If they do, why have they been terrible at selecting them?

McAdoo
Judge
Daboll

Reese
DG (outlier)
Schoen

Most of their hires have had ZERO prior experience. The two better hires were Accorsi and Coughlin. They weren’t perfect, but better than what’s been here. If the Mara’s don’t understand things, they’re gonna have to go and hire people with track records. People that were successful at their job previously.

[Rangers13]

So dumb

[straightrazorman]

Sept 18, 2024 5:57:24 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

The assumption that what works is tearing something down and rebuilding it every 2-3 years until you get it right is part of the problem. Good organizations don't just "guess" at these things.

That's when you become the Browns of a few years ago.  

[jaymas]

Sept 18, 2024 7:16:03 GMT -5 hadenough said:

Here’s numero uno….the Mara’s don’t seem to understand coaches and/or GMs. If they do, why have they been terrible at selecting them?

McAdoo
Judge
Daboll

Reese
DG (outlier)
Schoen

Most of their hires have had ZERO prior experience. The two better hires were Accorsi and Coughlin. They weren’t perfect, but better than what’s been here. If the Mara’s don’t understand things, they’re gonna have to go and hire people with track records. People that were successful at their job previously.

There is no reality (except weird Giants fanland) where Jerry Reese was a bad hire. Should not be anywhere close to this list.

[solomonphoenix56]

Sept 18, 2024 7:16:03 GMT -5 hadenough said:

Here’s numero uno….the Mara’s don’t seem to understand coaches and/or GMs. If they do, why have they been terrible at selecting them?

McAdoo
Judge
Daboll

Reese
DG (outlier)
Schoen

Most of their hires have had ZERO prior experience. The two better hires were Accorsi and Coughlin. They weren’t perfect, but better than what’s been here. If the Mara’s don’t understand things, they’re gonna have to go and hire people with track records. People that were successful at their job previously.

Reese was recommended by Accorsi and was a member of the organization for years. Jerry Reese did a lot of good things for the Giants. The Giants don't win those Superbowls without Reese. This is the only fan base I can think of that considers a two time champion general manager a bad hire.

Accorsi is a deity to Giants fans. He was a miserable drafter before Reese started working for him as a scout. Reese never gets any credit for the 07 roster from Giants fans even though he worked as a scout.

[cdngfan]

Sept 18, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5 straightrazorman said:

Sept 18, 2024 5:57:24 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

The assumption that what works is tearing something down and rebuilding it every 2-3 years until you get it right is part of the problem. Good organizations don't just "guess" at these things.

That's when you become the Browns of a few years ago.  

Yep.

And for clarity, this isn’t an argument against starting over. Sometimes that’s the right choice.

But what I see on the boards and what I interpret in the NFL is ownership in particular is they just change stuff because the old stuff wasn’t working.

Why wasn’t it working? Is it the guy making decisions? Do you need better scouting department (how soon after you hire a new scout can you say “that was a good hire?” It’s not before 2 years, that’s for sure) ? Is it coaching? What SPECIFICALLY is it about coaching that isn’t working? Can you coach your coach? Why do we assume that HCs pop out of the ground fully formed and if they don’t they never will be?

I’m always putting caveats in posts like this: this isn’t a “change is bad” opinion. I’m saying if you can’t very very specifically identify what is wrong, then how do you know what to look for as a fix?

I think the football world has dedicated billions of dollars to predict success in players. I get a sense that the same football world hires coaches and GMs doing calculations on the back of a napkin, or depends on a 2 hour interview to be “inspired to hire”.

[cdngfan]

Sept 18, 2024 9:23:24 GMT -5 solomonphoenix56 said:

Sept 18, 2024 7:16:03 GMT -5 hadenough said:

Here’s numero uno….the Mara’s don’t seem to understand coaches and/or GMs. If they do, why have they been terrible at selecting them?

McAdoo
Judge
Daboll

Reese
DG (outlier)
Schoen

Most of their hires have had ZERO prior experience. The two better hires were Accorsi and Coughlin. They weren’t perfect, but better than what’s been here. If the Mara’s don’t understand things, they’re gonna have to go and hire people with track records. People that were successful at their job previously.

Reese was recommended by Accorsi and was a member of the organization for years. Jerry Reese did a lot of good things for the Giants. The Giants don't win those Superbowls without Reese. This is the only fan base I can think of that considers a two time champion general manager a bad hire.

Accorsi is a deity to Giants fans. He was a miserable drafter before Reese started working for him as a scout. Reese never gets any credit for the 07 roster from Giants fans even though he worked as a scout.

great point.

[southerner]

Sept 18, 2024 4:02:46 GMT -5 Bigjeep said:

But he's not crazy! Taking the Head Coaching job for the NY Giants is a career ending job.                     

Well, there is something to that…..it’s not the job that is the Head Coach killer, it’s Daniel Jones.

[southerner]

Sept 18, 2024 4:44:24 GMT -5 TEM said:

Yeah, let's hire another no experience HC.

Oh, I see, hire some HC retread that has been canned for being incompetent……that will work well. If Mara had any brains he would not have hired Judge, or thin skinned Daboll, or the other retreads that only a moron would hire. Mara should hire someone like Bill Polian to interview and choose the new GM.

[Aris]

Sept 18, 2024 5:06:21 GMT -5 Analyst said:

Problem is, you aren't bringing him here to be the OC, it's to be the HC.

The same thing was said about Daboll. He did great things in Buffalo.JH is SanDiego

I wanted Jim Harbaugh so bad. Look what he is doing with the Chargers now.

JH coaching the Hebert Chargers vs JH coaching the Jones clown show….come on now. lol…I know you are better than this analysis of what he went into, and what team had more talent. 

I give both our GM and Coach D another year…probably 2 if they draft a QB. 

There is not one thing surprising this year regarding win and losses from every football fan and Vegas…not including the Giant fan base who were basing this season on hope and a prayer, and now expecting some sort of Jones breakout or a dominating defense with our overrated DL. 

We are a 6 to 7 win team this year….with Harbaugh …..or Daboll. 

[Turbo]

Sept 18, 2024 9:42:48 GMT -5 southerner said:

Sept 18, 2024 4:44:24 GMT -5 TEM said:

Yeah, let's hire another no experience HC.

Oh, I see, hire some HC retread that has been canned for being incompetent……that will work well. If Mara had any brains he would not have hired Judge, or thin skinned Daboll, or the other retreads that only a moron would hire. Mara should hire someone like Bill Polian to interview and choose the new GM.

Yeah, we should get a fired HC retread. Someone like Andy Reid. Can’t believe the chiefs hired that retread. Or the Pats hired Bellichek after he sucked in Cleveland. Or for that matter, Tom Coughlin.

[ThatGuyRich]

Kubiak is doing great in N.O. Listen Kubiak's kid is going to be sought after by a number of teams. But he needs a good to decent QB to make his offense work. Quick reads get the ball out fast. Same as the Dad.

I don't know who is coming here but I wouldn't mind one of these young offensive guru's. but they need a QB to be successful. And there is no college phenom QB this year coming out. Just to draft the best QB that's not good enough to make it in pro's is a death sentence for both the HC and the QB. Look what happened to Carolina.

I also was thinking Kubiak he's made Derek Carr look like Mahomes well for 2 games lol. But for whatever it's worth it's working.

[ThatGuyRich]

Sept 18, 2024 9:46:05 GMT -5 Aris said:

Sept 18, 2024 5:06:21 GMT -5 Analyst said:

Problem is, you aren't bringing him here to be the OC, it's to be the HC.

The same thing was said about Daboll. He did great things in Buffalo.JH is SanDiego

I wanted Jim Harbaugh so bad. Look what he is doing with the Chargers now.

JH coaching the Hebert Chargers vs JH coaching the Jones clown show….come on now. lol…I know you are better than this analysis of what he went into, and what team had more talent. 

I give both our GM and Coach D another year…probably 2 if they draft a QB. 

There is not one thing surprising this year regarding win and losses from every football fan and Vegas…not including the Giant fan base who were basing this season on hope and a prayer, and now expecting some sort of Jones breakout or a dominating defense with our overrated DL. 

We are a 6 to 7 win team this year….with Harbaugh …..or Daboll. 

Very true but if jh came here Saquon would still be here and the OL would have added another player. Because JH runs the ball everywhere he was/is. Indy, Michigan, and now LAC. He took his brothers 2 RB's from last year and his old OC and let the run game begin.

We would look a lot different. Run the ball to death offense and a strong tough defense. Sounds a lot better than what has shown up this year for us.

[fredfreddy]

I think the only thing that will put Daboll's job in jeopardy is if Mara wants Belichick.  I do not think Shoen was sold on Jones at all.  Mara inked that bad deal so I think Shoen is going to be here at least another year.  I think there is a high probability that Mara drops Daboll and brings in Belichick.  

[TCHOF]

Sept 18, 2024 10:05:45 GMT -5 fredfreddy said:

I think the only thing that will put Daboll's job in jeopardy is if Mara wants Belichick.  I do not think Shoen was sold on Jones at all.  Mara inked that bad deal so I think Shoen is going to be here at least another year.  I think there is a high probability that Mara drops Daboll and brings in Belichick.  

I think that's what a lot of fans want, but I don't see the Giants hiring Belichick

[Rangers13]

Sept 18, 2024 10:07:19 GMT -5 TCHOF said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:05:45 GMT -5 fredfreddy said:

I think the only thing that will put Daboll's job in jeopardy is if Mara wants Belichick.  I do not think Shoen was sold on Jones at all.  Mara inked that bad deal so I think Shoen is going to be here at least another year.  I think there is a high probability that Mara drops Daboll and brings in Belichick.  

I think that's what a lot of fans want, but I don't see the Giants hiring Belichick

oh I see Belichick back here.  

Guessing the title will be “Senior Consultant”

His job will be answering one John Mara question “so what do think?”

[cdngfan]

Sept 18, 2024 10:05:45 GMT -5 fredfreddy said:

I think the only thing that will put Daboll's job in jeopardy is if Mara wants Belichick.  I do not think Shoen was sold on Jones at all.  Mara inked that bad deal so I think Shoen is going to be here at least another year.  I think there is a high probability that Mara drops Daboll and brings in Belichick.  

I haven’t gotten a sense that Mara is instructing Schoen to sign Jones or hire/fire a coach. He can render an opinion (like he did with SB), but I don’t think he’s pulling Schoen into his office and saying “fire Daboll”. Frankly, he shouldn’t. Because how are you suppose to evaluate Schoen if he’s not the one making the decisions?

Now. I ABSOLUTELY think Mara was very supportive of signing DJ, the same way he was disappointed in seeing SB walk. So he’ll have biases regarding the moves made.

But I’ve seen no evidence that would suggest that Schoen is taking instructions from his owner on who to sign and who to let walk.

[cdngfan]

Sept 18, 2024 10:18:47 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:07:19 GMT -5 TCHOF said:

I think that's what a lot of fans want, but I don't see the Giants hiring Belichick

oh I see Belichick back here.  

Guessing the title will be “Senior Consultant”

His job will be answering one John Mara question “so what do think?”

am I the only one that can respect Bill B for what he’s done but also feel like the NFL has moved on from his style of leadership? He seems to have been the only one from his tree where that style works, and a team with sub par talent and no decent QB (New England before he left) didn’t seem to respond to his coaching anymore.

[ThatGuyRich]

Sept 18, 2024 9:42:48 GMT -5 southerner said:

Sept 18, 2024 4:44:24 GMT -5 TEM said:

Yeah, let's hire another no experience HC.

Oh, I see, hire some HC retread that has been canned for being incompetent……that will work well. If Mara had any brains he would not have hired Judge, or thin skinned Daboll, or the other retreads that only a moron would hire. Mara should hire someone like Bill Polian to interview and choose the new GM.

That's not a bad idea.

[Rangers13]

Sept 18, 2024 10:33:58 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:18:47 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

oh I see Belichick back here.  

Guessing the title will be “Senior Consultant”

His job will be answering one John Mara question “so what do think?”

am I the only one that can respect Bill B for what he’s done but also feel like the NFL has moved on from his style of leadership? He seems to have been the only one from his tree where that style works, and a team with sub par talent and no decent QB (New England before he left) didn’t seem to respond to his coaching anymore.

idk, let’s see what the Patriots do this season.  Played ok over their first two games.  

if you have a nice core you keep them and keep rotating the stock. Yet if you don’t have that core, you keep rotating everybody.  The rich stay Rich, a little up and down by the Middle class and the poor state poor.  

I’m not sold his style is outdated

[cdngfan]

Sept 18, 2024 10:46:42 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:33:58 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

am I the only one that can respect Bill B for what he’s done but also feel like the NFL has moved on from his style of leadership? He seems to have been the only one from his tree where that style works, and a team with sub par talent and no decent QB (New England before he left) didn’t seem to respond to his coaching anymore.

idk, let’s see what the Patriots do this season.  Played ok over their first two games.  

if you have a nice core you keep them and keep rotating the stock. Yet if you don’t have that core, you keep rotating everybody.  The rich stay Rich, a little up and down by the Middle class and the poor state poor.  

I’m not sold his style is outdated

I’m not either. If I were him I wouldn’t be going anywhere that’s searching for a franchise QB. He just left that.

[Rangers13]

Sept 18, 2024 10:50:35 GMT -5 cdngfan said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:46:42 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

idk, let’s see what the Patriots do this season.  Played ok over their first two games.  

if you have a nice core you keep them and keep rotating the stock. Yet if you don’t have that core, you keep rotating everybody.  The rich stay Rich, a little up and down by the Middle class and the poor state poor.  

I’m not sold his style is outdated

I’m not either. If I were him I wouldn’t be going anywhere that’s searching for a franchise QB. He just left that.

Guessing his coaching days are over.  Leaning towards consultant b/c of his age.  

[Analyst]

Sept 18, 2024 9:46:05 GMT -5 Aris said:

Sept 18, 2024 5:06:21 GMT -5 Analyst said:

Problem is, you aren't bringing him here to be the OC, it's to be the HC.

The same thing was said about Daboll. He did great things in Buffalo.JH is SanDiego

I wanted Jim Harbaugh so bad. Look what he is doing with the Chargers now.

JH coaching the Hebert Chargers vs JH coaching the Jones clown show….come on now. lol…I know you are better than this analysis of what he went into, and what team had more talent. 

I give both our GM and Coach D another year…probably 2 if they draft a QB. 

There is not one thing surprising this year regarding win and losses from every football fan and Vegas…not including the Giant fan base who were basing this season on hope and a prayer, and now expecting some sort of Jones breakout or a dominating defense with our overrated DL. 

We are a 6 to 7 win team this year….with Harbaugh …..or Daboll. 

Not talking about that, just stating, I wanted Jim Harbaugh. Obviously Chargers were the better place for him. I wanted a vet HC. To a fault. I also wanted Ron Rivera over Judge. I also wanted Jim Cowher forever. Belichick.... well, Im not so sure about him as a HC anymore. His primetime days have passed, but I dont think it would be a terrible option. He is obviously still plugged in. 

I think you underrate Harbaugh. If we hired him instead of Dabs, we might already be a much better team. Im fairly certain Jim would have had a backup kicker last game on the roster.  

[repeatchamps]

Sept 18, 2024 10:02:10 GMT -5 ThatGuyRich said:

Sept 18, 2024 9:46:05 GMT -5 Aris said:

JH coaching the Hebert Chargers vs JH coaching the Jones clown show….come on now. lol…I know you are better than this analysis of what he went into, and what team had more talent. 

I give both our GM and Coach D another year…probably 2 if they draft a QB. 

There is not one thing surprising this year regarding win and losses from every football fan and Vegas…not including the Giant fan base who were basing this season on hope and a prayer, and now expecting some sort of Jones breakout or a dominating defense with our overrated DL. 

We are a 6 to 7 win team this year….with Harbaugh …..or Daboll. 

Very true but if jh came here Saquon would still be here and the OL would have added another player. Because JH runs the ball everywhere he was/is. Indy, Michigan, and now LAC. He took his brothers 2 RB's from last year and his old OC and let the run game begin.

We would look a lot different. Run the ball to death offense and a strong tough defense. Sounds a lot better than what has shown up this year for us.

Shhh all the goober ball mouth breather cry babies are going to come out of the woodwork. I am with this philosophy. Always have been and always will be.

3 of the Giants 4 Super Bowl wins were predicated off the ability to dominantly run the ball and play exceptional defense. The Super Bowl appearance where they lost was also in that category 95% of the time that season. The majority if not all of our early exit playoff years also fall into this category/style.

Super Bowl 46 season was an exception. Eli had to be super human to get them to and win Super Bowl 46 and that was honestly above and beyond who he truly was as a QB and unrealistic unless your name is Montana, Brady or Mahomes.

[hadenough]

www.pro-football-reference.com/executives/ReesJe0.htm

For those that think Reese was good. He had a declining record for his final 8 years (besides 1 outlier season). Name another good GM that gave their team less wins for 8 seasons in a row.

Reese was given a solid team…had one good early draft…and had a few early decent years with those teams. After that..:he was trash.

If you can only be good for a couple years while you were handed a solid team…you aren’t good.