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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 16, 2018 13:18:52 GMT -5
Fighting is fine and part of practice. It just is. Football is a violent game. Now, what Snacks did - swinging a helmet - crosses a line. The entire OL should have beat his ass. You wanna fight you don’t use weapons. Push, punch, whatever. No weapons, no kicking or other baloney A "little" extracurricular activity is fine to sort things out in camp but it needs to be kept in check to avoid costly penalties in real games. Now Snacks would have been ejected from the game and face a suspension... that would hurt the team. He is a Pro and needs to act like one... I like Harrison and I’m hoping the helmet swing was just a small lapse in judgment. I agree the trenches need to test each other constantly to emulate real game intensity and I hope this was just a spillover of that. I’m glad Shurmer chastised him for the behavior, it’s not acceptable and while I understand that folks expect more from Harrison, I’m not sure about that. He’s an an undrafted FA, has never played on a very good team and has zero experience in how to conduct himself on one. Being one of the best players on a crappy team does not carry the same responsibilities. In fact, it carries nearly none. Here’s hoping he realizes that he still has much to learn.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 16, 2018 14:13:53 GMT -5
OMG I almost had a stroke. Please put "not seriously injured" in the title next time. You might want to take a breath because this IS the NFL, and key players are going to get hurt. It happens on every team. We wouldn't want to lose you. +1...but that would really suck if we lost Solder before he even suited up as a Giant
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 19:50:15 GMT -5
A "little" extracurricular activity is fine to sort things out in camp but it needs to be kept in check to avoid costly penalties in real games. Now Snacks would have been ejected from the game and face a suspension... that would hurt the team. He is a Pro and needs to act like one... I like Harrison and I’m hoping the helmet swing was just a small lapse in judgment. I agree the trenches need to test each other constantly to emulate real game intensity and I hope this was just a spillover of that. I’m glad Shurmer chastised him for the behavior, it’s not acceptable and while I understand that folks expect more from Harrison, I’m not sure about that. He’s an an undrafted FA, has never played on a very good team and has zero experience in how to conduct himself on one. Being one of the best players on a crappy team does not carry the same responsibilities. In fact, it carries nearly none. Here’s hoping he realizes that he still has much to learn. That’s a great point and seems to be a syndrome with several of our players.
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Post by cerealkiller on Jun 17, 2018 16:38:51 GMT -5
Hernandez is known for talking a lot of shit and playing pass the whistle. I have not read anything that said he plays past the whistle . As far as talking all S*** all players do. Snacks ran his mouth in front of the media. Him and Collins both to keep that stuff inhouse. If you have some supporting evidence that I could not find. I would like to read it. Utep is 10 minutes down the road from me and I’ve seen my share of games to know what I know. Maybe I should rephrased by saying “Hernandez is locally known for talking a lot of shit and playing pass the whistle.” Either way, take it from me, the kid has a mean streak.
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Post by TEM on Jun 18, 2018 8:15:43 GMT -5
I have not read anything that said he plays past the whistle . As far as talking all S*** all players do. Snacks ran his mouth in front of the media. Him and Collins both to keep that stuff inhouse. If you have some supporting evidence that I could not find. I would like to read it. Utep is 10 minutes down the road from me and I’ve seen my share of games to know what I know. Maybe I should rephrased by saying “Hernandez is locally known for talking a lot of shit and playing pass the whistle.” Either way, take it from me, the kid has a mean streak. I get it is you opinion on playing after the whistle, If it were a problem he would have been penalised more often . If it is true , it is minor as far a a mean streak (that is not a bad thing). Will did not swing the helmet . Snacks did. That is a problem.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 18, 2018 8:26:24 GMT -5
Utep is 10 minutes down the road from me and I’ve seen my share of games to know what I know. Maybe I should rephrased by saying “Hernandez is locally known for talking a lot of shit and playing pass the whistle.” Either way, take it from me, the kid has a mean streak. I get it is you opinion on playing after the whistle, If it were a problem he would have been penalised more often . If it is true , it is minor as far a a mean streak (that is not a bad thing). Will did not swing the helmet . Snacks did. That is a problem. Let's hope that it's just that Hernandez has a way of getting into opposing player's pschy, that his teammates will get to understand and respect...and not get caught up in it too far at practices, but let him unleash his "warmth" on opposing players when the season starts.
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Post by TEM on Jun 18, 2018 8:41:14 GMT -5
I get it is you opinion on playing after the whistle, If it were a problem he would have been penalised more often . If it is true , it is minor as far a a mean streak (that is not a bad thing). Will did not swing the helmet . Snacks did. That is a problem. Let's hope that it's just that Hernandez has a way of getting into opposing player's pschy, that his teammates will get to understand and respect...and not get caught up in it too far at practices, but let him unleash his "warmth" on opposing players when the season starts. Smack talk is a good thing . Getting under a players skin is better. Snacks showing that he can be coerced into doing stupid things is a problem. Now every guard and center can see that.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 18, 2018 8:53:01 GMT -5
Let's hope that it's just that Hernandez has a way of getting into opposing player's pschy, that his teammates will get to understand and respect...and not get caught up in it too far at practices, but let him unleash his "warmth" on opposing players when the season starts. Smack talk is a good thing . Getting under a players skin is better. Snacks showing that he can be coerced into doing stupid things is a problem. Now every guard and center can see that. He's been around the league long enough, and usually handles himself well in games. I think this all has something to do with him saying he wanted to test out new guy Barkley's toughness, right after Hernandez made it clear he was going to be Barkley's protector in all aspects. Once again, it seems the season can't get here quick enough.
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Post by TEM on Jun 18, 2018 8:58:28 GMT -5
Smack talk is a good thing . Getting under a players skin is better. Snacks showing that he can be coerced into doing stupid things is a problem. Now every guard and center can see that. He's been around the league long enough, and usually handles himself well in games. I think this all has something to do with him saying he wanted to test out new guy Barkley's toughness, right after Hernandez made it clear he was going to be Barkley's protector in all aspects. Once again, it seems the season can't get here quick enough. I hope you are correct and it's not something bigger.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 18, 2018 22:35:17 GMT -5
So random but I wonder what would happen in a game if a player actually used someones helmet and knocked them out of the game. Surely they would be ejected but I wonder what kind of fine/suspension that would cost them.
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 18, 2018 22:47:37 GMT -5
Smack talk is a good thing . Getting under a players skin is better. Snacks showing that he can be coerced into doing stupid things is a problem. Now every guard and center can see that. He's been around the league long enough, and usually handles himself well in games. I think this all has something to do with him saying he wanted to test out new guy Barkley's toughness, right after Hernandez made it clear he was going to be Barkley's protector in all aspects. Once again, it seems the season can't get here quick enough. Could also signify that the rook was getting the better of Snacks, and along with whatever smack talk the rook was brave enuf to throw at him, it got to him. This makes me feel good about Hernandez, and I agree with you that Snacks has been around and never shown this same proclivity. Some one will surely let him remember that it can't happen in a real game. As I said before. Before the season is a few games old, they'll be respectful buds... And, who better than Snacks to practice against? He won't face much tougher. Simms always said it helped a lot to have to practice against the Gmen's great defense of the 80's.
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Post by ashleymarie on Jun 19, 2018 1:36:36 GMT -5
You sound disappointed. Snacks was a team captain type player gotta stop this shit. Hernandez is going overboard tryin to prove that he’s tough and nasty. Save it for the opponents kid. Yes, bottle it and save it to uncork later on Philly.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 22, 2018 12:25:59 GMT -5
The possible injury to Solder is THE story. Snacks and Hernandez scuffle is a non story and would not have even made the news if Solder didn’t get rolled up on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 24, 2018 9:25:00 GMT -5
I get it is you opinion on playing after the whistle, If it were a problem he would have been penalised more often . If it is true , it is minor as far a a mean streak (that is not a bad thing). Will did not swing the helmet . Snacks did. That is a problem. Let's hope that it's just that Hernandez has a way of getting into opposing player's pschy, that his teammates will get to understand and respect...and not get caught up in it too far at practices, but let him unleash his "warmth" on opposing players when the season starts. To soon to say but that sounds a like like Richie Suebert,always the first one to fight in training camp but the respect of the team.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 24, 2018 9:33:56 GMT -5
So random but I wonder what would happen in a game if a player actually used someones helmet and knocked them out of the game. Surely they would be ejected but I wonder what kind of fine/suspension that would cost them. wouldn't want to find out that could and would damage someone for life,look at hockey a while back players getting charged and sued by other players for cheap career ending shots,don't want to see any of that in football.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 24, 2018 11:58:28 GMT -5
To make sure it never happens again, a player that would strike another player on his unprotected head with a helmet should be suspended & fined for the entire season. I bet it would never happen again. These little hand slaps the NFL imposes on violators is a joke. You set a supremely harsh example of the very 1st jackass to swing that helmet & it sends a message to the rest that the NFL ain't joking about what in the civilian world be considered assault with a deadly weapon.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 24, 2018 12:10:54 GMT -5
To make sure it never happens again, a player that would strike another player on his unprotected head with a helmet should be suspended & fined for the entire season. I bet it would never happen again. These little hand slaps the NFL imposes on violators is a joke. You set a supremely harsh example of the very 1st jackass to swing that helmet & it sends a message to the rest that the NFL ain't joking about what in the civilian world be considered assault with a deadly weapon. Why don't we just shoot them? And then go after their family?......That would ensure it would never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 12:13:23 GMT -5
So random but I wonder what would happen in a game if a player actually used someones helmet and knocked them out of the game. Surely they would be ejected but I wonder what kind of fine/suspension that would cost them. It would probably constitute the largest suspension for an on field infraction in the history of the NFL. Or at least it should be. I forgot who it was that stomped on Andre Gurode’s helmetless face but I’m pretty sure they had a very improportionately small suspension.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 24, 2018 12:28:11 GMT -5
What was I thinking Morehead, you're right, give em the ol 4 game suspension, that'll show em.
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Post by Jaydub on Jun 24, 2018 13:50:18 GMT -5
What was I thinking Morehead, you're right, give em the ol 4 game suspension, that'll show em. Suspending a player for an entire season and fining them a huge sum for swinging a helmet would be an extreme overreaction, and there is no way the NFLPA would agree to it. I don’t disagree that a player should be punished for doing so, but nowhere near to the same degree that you seem to.
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Post by Jaydub on Jun 24, 2018 13:53:10 GMT -5
So random but I wonder what would happen in a game if a player actually used someones helmet and knocked them out of the game. Surely they would be ejected but I wonder what kind of fine/suspension that would cost them. It would probably constitute the largest suspension for an on field infraction in the history of the NFL. Or at least it should be. I forgot who it was that stomped on Andre Gurode’s helmetless face but I’m pretty sure they had a very improportionately small suspension. Albert Haynesworth was suspended 5 games for that one
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Post by TEM on Jun 24, 2018 14:19:34 GMT -5
What was I thinking Morehead, you're right, give em the ol 4 game suspension, that'll show em. Suspending a player for an entire season and fining them a huge sum for swinging a helmet would be an extreme overreaction, and there is no way the NFLPA would agree to it. I don’t disagree that a player should be punished for doing so, but nowhere near to the same degree that you seem to. If the helmet swing resulted in a serious injury or worse . He would have bigger problems that NFLPA would have zero say in.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 24, 2018 14:52:32 GMT -5
So random but I wonder what would happen in a game if a player actually used someones helmet and knocked them out of the game. Surely they would be ejected but I wonder what kind of fine/suspension that would cost them. It would probably constitute the largest suspension for an on field infraction in the history of the NFL. Or at least it should be. I forgot who it was that stomped on Andre Gurode’s helmetless face but I’m pretty sure they had a very improportionately small suspension. That was Haynesworth, right? I think he got 5 games.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 24, 2018 15:16:34 GMT -5
Thank you TEM. That is what I'm referring to in terms of an 8 game suspension w/o pay. Swinging & missing should still be an auto 4 game game suspension w/o pay. It's called a "deterrent". I know some of you are not too familiar with the term but it sets a precedent to the rest of the would be copycats as to what they would be faced with if such a thought were to cross their mind as well during an altercation with an opposing player. Amazing how some here don't see trying to bash open another man's head with a blunt weapon, which is what a Helmet is, as no biggie.
I do this at my place of employment & I'm probably fired & headed to jail, but on a football field, all good in the hood huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 15:26:01 GMT -5
Thank you TEM. That is what I'm referring to in terms of an 8 game suspension w/o pay. Swinging & missing should still be an auto 4 game game suspension w/o pay. It's called a "deterrent". I know some of you are not too familiar with the term but it sets a precedent to the rest of the would be copycats as to what they would be faced with if such a thought were to cross their mind as well during an altercation with an opposing player. Amazing how some here don't see trying to bash open another man's head with a blunt weapon, which is what a Helmet is, as no biggie. I do this at my place of employment & I'm probably fired & headed to jail, but on a football field, all good in the hood huh? Pretty sure if you tackled a co-worker by diving at their knees you’d be fired too.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 24, 2018 15:29:07 GMT -5
What was I thinking Morehead, you're right, give em the ol 4 game suspension, that'll show em. Well it might be a good idea for the punishment to fit the crime.
You want to suspend one of your best defenders for a season?
Seems excessive.
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Post by Jaydub on Jun 24, 2018 15:33:02 GMT -5
Thank you TEM. That is what I'm referring to in terms of an 8 game suspension w/o pay. Swinging & missing should still be an auto 4 game game suspension w/o pay. It's called a "deterrent". I know some of you are not too familiar with the term but it sets a precedent to the rest of the would be copycats as to what they would be faced with if such a thought were to cross their mind as well during an altercation with an opposing player. Amazing how some here don't see trying to bash open another man's head with a blunt weapon, which is what a Helmet is, as no biggie. I do this at my place of employment & I'm probably fired & headed to jail, but on a football field, all good in the hood huh? No one said it was no biggie, but a suspension for an entire season, or even half a season, is extreme no matter how you want to spin it. Four game checks is quite a bit of money for a lot of these guys who don’t have huge contracts. If they do it, absolutely suspend them, but not for more than four games
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Post by TEM on Jun 24, 2018 16:27:37 GMT -5
Thank you TEM. That is what I'm referring to in terms of an 8 game suspension w/o pay. Swinging & missing should still be an auto 4 game game suspension w/o pay. It's called a "deterrent". I know some of you are not too familiar with the term but it sets a precedent to the rest of the would be copycats as to what they would be faced with if such a thought were to cross their mind as well during an altercation with an opposing player. Amazing how some here don't see trying to bash open another man's head with a blunt weapon, which is what a Helmet is, as no biggie. I do this at my place of employment & I'm probably fired & headed to jail, but on a football field, all good in the hood huh? Pretty sure if you tackled a co-worker by diving at their knees you’d be fired too. I do not think that is a good comparison. What you stated is part of the game . Players are prepared for just such actions . Having a helmet swung against your bare noggin. Not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 17:06:24 GMT -5
Pretty sure if you tackled a co-worker by diving at their knees you’d be fired too. I do not think that is a good comparison. What you stated is part of the game . Players are prepared for just such actions . Having a helmet swung against your bare noggin. Not so much. 1. I was being facetious 2. Making analogies to one’s place of work in an office to an NFL player’s place of work on a field makes no sense to me.
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Post by TEM on Jun 24, 2018 17:15:17 GMT -5
I do not think that is a good comparison. What you stated is part of the game . Players are prepared for just such actions . Having a helmet swung against your bare noggin. Not so much. 1. I was being facetious 2. Making analogies to one’s place of work in an office to an NFL player’s place of work on a field makes no sense to me. I think his premise and I got,, The use of a weapon as it relates to assault would be universal. the infraction on a football field during a game would have no bearing on what the law stipulates in the matter.
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