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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:35:34 GMT -5
I say Will Hernandez. He's a guy from a small school that managed to put himself on the radar with his play. He has all the physical attributes necessary for the position, and seems to have a bit of a fire in his belly. The Giants are in desperate need of O-line help, and he has the potential of making a significant impact for many years.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 2, 2018 12:50:24 GMT -5
Being that a RBs shelf life isnt relatively that long in the NFL in general. I'd go with Hernandez. I know there are examples of RBs that lasted years & years like A. Peterson and others but more times then not they are last 4-7 years if your lucky
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 2, 2018 12:51:33 GMT -5
Plus if Barkley is as good as advertised and being a #1 Pick resigning him will be a tough task
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 2, 2018 13:00:35 GMT -5
Plus if Barkley is as good as advertised and being a #1 Pick resigning him will be a tough task Won't matter - from the latest pics I've seen of him, he's planning on a career change to Marylin Monroe impersonator. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 13:37:21 GMT -5
Barkley. He will give the Giants 8-10 years of elite play. A guard cannot make that kind of impact no matter how much they do. They just block.
Everyone remembers LDT and Faulk, almost nobody knows who their LG or RG were.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 14:32:24 GMT -5
I voted Hernandez based on the wording of the question.
Long term impact.
Barkley may be a great RB but his impact at an elite level is probably five years at most.
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Post by RogerThat on Jul 2, 2018 16:15:37 GMT -5
I love Hernandez, or at least his potential, but I voted Barkley here. I think if it's not him, then the Giants wasted the No. 2 pick.
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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2018 16:45:54 GMT -5
You have the #2 over all . He better be the most impactful .If he is not something went awry. I voted #2 because we need him to be.
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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2018 16:48:35 GMT -5
I say Will Hernandez. He's a guy from a small school that managed to put himself on the radar with his play. He has all the physical attributes necessary for the position, and seems to have a bit of a fire in his belly. The Giants are in desperate need of O-line help, and he has the potential of making a significant impact for many years. It would be perfect if the entire poll had outstanding long term positive careers for the team. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 2, 2018 17:06:26 GMT -5
Gotta go with Barkley. Hopefully he will be a HOF Giant. But I have a good feeling about Hernandez and Hill. I need to see Carter.
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 3, 2018 7:00:05 GMT -5
The key phrase is *long term* impact
RB's, on average, do not last very long in the NFL. Most OL players have pretty long careers, and the very good ones have major impacts, as without good play from the OL, not much else is going to work all that well, especially with the RB's. Will Hernandez was my immediate choice
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 3, 2018 7:02:27 GMT -5
I went with Barkley. If he proves to be one of those special players that doesn't breakdown/get injured, he will do great things. No denying his talent, and what it will bring to the offense.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jul 3, 2018 10:00:46 GMT -5
Barkley will have long term impact as a playmaker, but I suspect Hernandez may have a more long-term impact on the mentality and attitude of OLine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 12:19:43 GMT -5
Barkley by a mile
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 3, 2018 12:32:54 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) |
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Post by myronguyton on Jul 3, 2018 13:15:23 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) This seems to be a popular point to bring up to minimize the value of great rbs. I'm curious where you got that info though, as 4-5 years seems longer than I would guess it would be. Regardless, it's a misleading statistic as you are removing the abilities of the individual player from the equation. Barkley is one of the best nfl rb prospects we've ever seen. A more apt way to predict how long his career will last would be to take an average career span of other elite players at the position. If you do that, I bet you'll see a number closer to around 8-10 years. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 3, 2018 13:38:09 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) I don't see boldness in dart throwing. Today every answer on this thread has an equal chance. Any one of them could go on to have a very productive career or have his career cut short for some reason. Here's hoping for the former for all and the latter for none. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 14:07:09 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) This seems to be a popular point to bring up to minimize the value of great rbs. I'm curious where you got that info though, as 4-5 years seems longer than I would guess it would be. Regardless, it's a misleading statistic as you are removing the abilities of the individual player from the equation. Barkley is one of the best nfl rb prospects we've ever seen. A more apt way to predict how long his career will last would be to take an average career span of other elite players at the position. If you do that, I bet you'll see a number closer to around 8-10 years. Well, that's kind of a loaded statement since the "elite" players at the position would - by necessity - be guys that have lasted a certain amount of time. Nobody's going to list a guy that played one year as an "elite" running back, no matter how good he might have actually been. It was before my time, but...I've talked to a number of guys older than me who say that Gale Sayers was - hands down - the greatest running back they've ever seen (including guys that saw Jim Brown play). Yet, ask for a list of the top 3 running backs in NFL history and very few will mention Sayers...it's usually Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders, in no particular order. Curtis Enis was the last Penn State running back phenom. In his final season in Happy Valley, he rushed for 1,363 yards (more than Saquon Barkley last year) and 19 TDs (also more than Barkley last year). He was out of the league by age 24. Btw...Ahman Green was selected in the third round of the same draft that Enis was the #5 pick. Green retired as the all-time leading rusher in Packer history. |
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 3, 2018 14:43:06 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) This seems to be a popular point to bring up to minimize the value of great rbs. I'm curious where you got that info though, as 4-5 years seems longer than I would guess it would be. Regardless, it's a misleading statistic as you are removing the abilities of the individual player from the equation. Barkley is one of the best nfl rb prospects we've ever seen. A more apt way to predict how long his career will last would be to take an average career span of other elite players at the position. If you do that, I bet you'll see a number closer to around 8-10 years. He’s not an elite NFL player. The kid hasn’t taken a single snap yet, so he hasn’t proven a thing. That’s another popular point to bring up, calling these kids elite players before they’ve proven themselves st the pro level. He could turn out as advertised, or he could be a huge bust. At this point, no one knows. www.statista.com/statistics/240102/average-player-career-length-in-the-national-football-league/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 17:26:44 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) Barkley is an elite RB prospect and it is not out of the realm of possibility for him to play 10 years at a high level. This is not an “average” player. The average career for any player is about the same length. Barkley outshines all the other draft picks by leaps and bounds. He will have the most impact by miles and MILES. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 17:28:45 GMT -5
This seems to be a popular point to bring up to minimize the value of great rbs. I'm curious where you got that info though, as 4-5 years seems longer than I would guess it would be. Regardless, it's a misleading statistic as you are removing the abilities of the individual player from the equation. Barkley is one of the best nfl rb prospects we've ever seen. A more apt way to predict how long his career will last would be to take an average career span of other elite players at the position. If you do that, I bet you'll see a number closer to around 8-10 years. He’s not an elite NFL player. The kid hasn’t taken a single snap yet, so he hasn’t proven a thing. That’s another popular point to bring up, calling these kids elite players before they’ve proven themselves st the pro level. He could turn out as advertised, or he could be a huge bust. At this point, no one knows. www.statista.com/statistics/240102/average-player-career-length-in-the-national-football-league/The same can be said for all prospects. But he question was which prospect will have the biggest long term impact. It is easily Barkley. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Jul 3, 2018 18:12:13 GMT -5
I think Barkley has a great career, but it is not all with the Giants. I don't think they can afford him and OBJ unless they fail at getting a QB and in the end this is a passing league so OBJ will stay over him (assuming everyone is healthy).
I liked the Barkley pick as a fan because he should make the offense more exciting and has a chance to really help out Eli, but financially it was a terrible pick. He is in the top 5 paid RBs in the league and he has yet to play a down. And even if he is really good, his disproportionate salary will make it hard for Gettleman or whoever is GM to fill other needs.
I voted Hernandez.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 3, 2018 18:42:26 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) Barkley is an elite RB prospect and it is not out of the realm of possibility for him to play 10 years at a high level. This is not an “average” player. The average career for any player is about the same length. Barkley outshines all the other draft picks by leaps and bounds. He will have the most impact by miles and MILES. If what I have read on these boards is correct, then Barkley has maybe 1 year left in the league...tops. |
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 3, 2018 18:52:09 GMT -5
Long term? By a mile? Bold statement, how did you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of a RB in the NFL is very short(4-5 years?) Barkley is an elite RB prospect and it is not out of the realm of possibility for him to play 10 years at a high level. This is not an “average” player. The average career for any player is about the same length. Barkley outshines all the other draft picks by leaps and bounds. He will have the most impact by miles and MILES. Again, how do you know? No one does until he takes the field. Until then, he can’t be considered elite at the NFL level. There is no such thing as an *elite prospect*. He was great at the college level, but a lot of RB’s over the years were as well, and they didn’t amount to squat as pros. If you think Barkley is a dead on lock to be a long term impact player, so be it, but to imply that it’s already a done deal is unwise and reactionary |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 20:32:38 GMT -5
Barkley is an elite RB prospect and it is not out of the realm of possibility for him to play 10 years at a high level. This is not an “average” player. The average career for any player is about the same length. Barkley outshines all the other draft picks by leaps and bounds. He will have the most impact by miles and MILES. Again, how do you know? No one does until he takes the field. Until then, he can’t be considered elite at the NFL level. There is no such thing as an *elite prospect*. He was great at the college level, but a lot of RB’s over the years were as well, and they didn’t amount to squat as pros. If you think Barkley is a dead on lock to be a long term impact player, so be it, but to imply that it’s already a done deal is unwise and reactionary It doesn’t seem like sports talk is something you enjoy. Nobody knows anything. Why participate in a discussion if you are going to needle it to death. A question was asked and I stated which of our draft picks I believe in most long term. Very simple. There is absolutely such thing as an elite prospect. The question was which player will have long term impact. I say Barkley because he is a consensus elite prospect. As good a prospect as you will ever find regardless of position. As the odds go, it doesn’t get much better than a kid like Barkley. Anyone who evaluated players professionally or as a hobby had Barkley as a top prospect. Based on everything we currently know about Barkley, our coach, the rest of our team and the other draft picks....it’s very easy for me to put my chips on Barkley as our best long term prospect from this draft. Very very easy. I’m taking the safe bet |
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 3, 2018 20:54:51 GMT -5
Again, how do you know? No one does until he takes the field. Until then, he can’t be considered elite at the NFL level. There is no such thing as an *elite prospect*. He was great at the college level, but a lot of RB’s over the years were as well, and they didn’t amount to squat as pros. If you think Barkley is a dead on lock to be a long term impact player, so be it, but to imply that it’s already a done deal is unwise and reactionary It doesn’t seem like sports talk is something you enjoy. Nobody knows anything. Why participate in a discussion if you are going to needle it to death. A question was asked and I stated which of our draft picks I believe in most long term. Very simple. There is absolutely such thing as an elite prospect. The question was which player will have long term impact. I say Barkley because he is a consensus elite prospect. As good a prospect as you will ever find regardless of position. As the odds go, it doesn’t get much better than a kid like Barkley. Anyone who evaluated players professionally or as a hobby had Barkley as a top prospect. Based on everything we currently know about Barkley, our coach, the rest of our team and the other draft picks....it’s very easy for me to put my chips on Barkley as our best long term prospect from this draft. Very very easy. I’m taking the safe bet So because I disagree with you, I don’t enjoy sports talk, and I’m needling something to death? This is a place to post opinions, and oftentimes, there will be others who will disagree with those opinions. I don’t think I’ve been the least bit uncivil, but before something like that does happen, I’ll leave it right here. Have a good evening |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 4, 2018 9:03:32 GMT -5
I say will hernandez OLs have longer careers then RBs,but hopefully they will age together and have long successful giants careers.
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Post by TEM on Jul 4, 2018 9:11:04 GMT -5
This seems to be a popular point to bring up to minimize the value of great rbs. I'm curious where you got that info though, as 4-5 years seems longer than I would guess it would be. Regardless, it's a misleading statistic as you are removing the abilities of the individual player from the equation. Barkley is one of the best nfl rb prospects we've ever seen. A more apt way to predict how long his career will last would be to take an average career span of other elite players at the position. If you do that, I bet you'll see a number closer to around 8-10 years. Well, that's kind of a loaded statement since the "elite " players at the position would - by necessity - be guys that have lasted a certain amount of time. Nobody's going to list a guy that played one year as an "elite" running back, no matter how good he might have actually been. It was before my time, but...I've talked to a number of guys older than me who say that Gale Sayers was - hands down - the greatest running back they've ever seen (including guys that saw Jim Brown play). Yet, ask for a list of the top 3 running backs in NFL history and very few will mention Sayers...it's usually Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders, in no particular order). Curtis Enis was the last Penn State running back phenom. In his final season in Happy Valley, he rushed for 1,363 yards (more than Saquon Barkley last year) and 19 TDs (also more than Barkley last year). He was out of the league by age 24. Btw...Ahman Green was selected in the third round of the same draft that Enis was the #5 pick. Green retired as the all-time leading rusher in Packer history. You can change the word "the" to "any" . It would still be true. |
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Post by gumby on Jul 6, 2018 12:26:07 GMT -5
If they all become starters? Definitely not Barkley. RBs don't last very long.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 6, 2018 15:29:31 GMT -5
If they all become starters? Definitely not Barkley. RBs don't last very long. I hear he's contemplating retirement. |
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