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Post by Jaydub on Jul 9, 2018 16:17:15 GMT -5
In the NFL, QB's get paid, even the bad ones. Bortles is nowhere near to being better than average. In fact, I wouldn't even call him average. Guy is terrible, and the Jags will more than likely regret wasting that money
He was good enough to get them within 5 points of going to the Super bowl. The team went 3-13 in the 16 season to AFC Championship game last season. You can not take that away from him. He may not be great but. He plays well enough to allow the players around him to compensate for what he lacks. IMO: not a top 10 QB and not below average. Some where in between. Surely you aren’t going to tell me that you’re attributing the Jags going from 3-13 to AFCCG to Blake Bortles. Say it ain’t so, because in order for someone to take that away from him, he’d have to first get the credit for it, and he shouldn’t(and hasn’t). I’m not even sure that he qualifies as a game manager
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Post by TEM on Jul 9, 2018 16:31:26 GMT -5
He was good enough to get them within 5 points of going to the Super bowl. The team went 3-13 in the 16 season to AFC Championship game last season. You can not take that away from him. He may not be great but. He plays well enough to allow the players around him to compensate for what he lacks. IMO: not a top 10 QB and not below average. Some where in between. Surely you aren’t going to tell me that you’re attributing the Jags going from 3-13 to AFCCG to Blake Bortles. Say it ain’t so, because in order for someone to take that away from him, he’d have to first get the credit for it, and he shouldn’t(and hasn’t). I’m not even sure that he qualifies as a game manager My whole point is and has been. I will quote myself. Last years playoff teams 9 of the top 10 rushing teams were in the playoffs. I think that Paradigm shift in itself is a trend getting away from the "its a Qb driven league" model . For most teams it is and has been a failed model. GMs are beginning to realize there are only so many great to good QBs to go around. There are never 32 and hardly ever 15. I see the trend to more or less being if you do not have the Qb to attack with . Find other means to be successful .
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 9, 2018 17:34:48 GMT -5
You're right...my mistake. I WOULD quibble with your characterization of Blake Bortles as an "average QB". Despite the incessant piling-on with regard to Bortles, I think he is proving that he's a better-than-average QB. Based on what the Jaguars recently signed him for, it seems that they think so at least. You lost me at "Bortles is a better than average QB" He is bottom 10 of the 32 starters in my view.
But does it really matter? If you have a very good team, you need sufficient - not great - play from your starting QB. If you don't have a very good team all the QB play in the world is not going to your fortunes all that much. I don't understand this thread at all. It's as if we've taken the word team and replaced it with the word QB and are now all pretending that they mean the same thing.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 9, 2018 17:40:15 GMT -5
You lost me at "Bortles is a better than average QB" He is bottom 10 of the 32 starters in my view.
But does it really matter? If you have a very good team, you need sufficient - not great - play from your starting QB. If you don't have a very good team all the QB play in the world is not going to your fortunes all that much. I don't understand this thread at all. It's as if we've taken the word team and replaced it with the word QB and are now all pretending that they mean the same thing. Well you put Aaron Rodgers on the Jags and they are an invincible team. You put Blake Bortles on the Pats and they don't win 8 games. It is very much a team game, but the QB is by far the most important position in all of pro sports. A below average QB can win, but they need great talent around them. A terrible QB can't be hidden buy their team though. If the QB is a bad player, it's almost impossible to win. At least in any meaningful way.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 9, 2018 18:34:49 GMT -5
But does it really matter? If you have a very good team, you need sufficient - not great - play from your starting QB. If you don't have a very good team all the QB play in the world is not going to your fortunes all that much. I don't understand this thread at all. It's as if we've taken the word team and replaced it with the word QB and are now all pretending that they mean the same thing. Well you put Aaron Rodgers on the Jags and they are an invincible team. You put Blake Bortles on the Pats and they don't win 8 games. It is very much a team game, but the QB is by far the most important position in all of pro sports. A below average QB can win, but they need great talent around them. A terrible QB can't be hidden buy their team though. If the QB is a bad player, it's almost impossible to win. At least in any meaningful way.
I think you put Rodgers on the Jags and perhaps they win the SB last year. I'm less of a buyer of the Patriots scenario since their backup QB won them 11 games and was then traded and was quickly out of the league. I agree that the QB position is the most important position in all of pro sports, but defining the degree to which that is true is extremely difficult and I believe often overstated. Of the ten teams that made the post season last year there were maybe three very good to great QBs and only one of them made it to the conference finals and he did not go on to win the SB.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 9, 2018 19:33:51 GMT -5
It's always fun delving into the genius of PFF. This graph represents: "Tight” throws which are defined by a defender being within an arm’s length of the receiver, or in the right spot in a passing window so as to discourage the throw.
Of course in the spirit of this thread, we should conclude that these throws were ill-advised and our receivers deserve a lot of credit for making these catches despite the difficult circumstances.
Glad I could clear that up.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 9, 2018 19:50:47 GMT -5
It's always fun delving into the genius of PFF. This graph represents: "Tight” throws which are defined by a defender being within an arm’s length of the receiver, or in the right spot in a passing window so as to discourage the throw.
Of course in the spirit of this thread, we should conclude that these throws were ill-advised and our receivers deserve a lot of credit for making these catches despite the difficult circumstances.
Glad I could clear that up.
We should also acknowledge that it's likely that every one of these throws was given a negative grade by PFF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 22:27:35 GMT -5
All these other qbs have bigger targets that can win battles in tight spots so there is that to.
Gronkowski, Mike Evans, Jeffreys, Thomas vs Hunter Sharp?!?
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Post by GameTime on Jul 9, 2018 22:52:53 GMT -5
All these other qbs have bigger targets that can win battles in tight spots so there is that to. Gronkowski, Mike Evans, Jeffreys, Thomas vs Hunter Sharp?!? so Eli is in the top three and you still have to make excuses for him?? really?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 23:19:54 GMT -5
All these other qbs have bigger targets that can win battles in tight spots so there is that to. Gronkowski, Mike Evans, Jeffreys, Thomas vs Hunter Sharp?!? so Eli is in the top three and you still have to make excuses for him?? really? That's not an excuse. I was applauding him for being that high while working with less.
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Post by JR Ewing on Jul 10, 2018 0:18:38 GMT -5
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Post by keyofgmen on Jul 10, 2018 16:56:33 GMT -5
It's always fun delving into the genius of PFF. This graph represents: "Tight” throws which are defined by a defender being within an arm’s length of the receiver, or in the right spot in a passing window so as to discourage the throw.
Of course in the spirit of this thread, we should conclude that these throws were ill-advised and our receivers deserve a lot of credit for making these catches despite the difficult circumstances.
Glad I could clear that up.
Now, that's the spirit for which I started this thread! ..... haha...
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 10, 2018 17:02:07 GMT -5
so Eli is in the top three and you still have to make excuses for him?? really? That's not an excuse. I was applauding him for being that high while working with less. What's your theory as to why Jameis is up there, essentially tied with Eli?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:30:24 GMT -5
so Eli is in the top three and you still have to make excuses for him?? really? That's not an excuse. I was applauding him for being that high while working with less. Why is Eli getting high?
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Post by bluejayc on Jul 11, 2018 10:06:08 GMT -5
How typical.....my first post on the new boards is a post bashing the crappiness of all things PFF......same as the GMB. Use your eyes and don't let the so called "analytics" of PFF or any other outfit for that matter skew reality.
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