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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 10, 2018 13:29:16 GMT -5
I was listening to OJ this morning on the NFL Network and he said some things I think are worth repeating.
He spoke of Rodney Hampton as being the most gifted of the RB's he played with on the Giants. It also became clear that OJ was like an older brother or even a father figure to the young RB's. OJ mentioned Tillman worked the hardest even if he wasn't the most talented.
He mentioned that the Giants plan to rotate running backs in '91, but he advised against it and told them it was Hampton's time, and he needed enough reps to find his groove. You can't perform as a RB in a rotational role like we saw McAdoo/Coughlin do.
OJ also made it known that he's hoping to one day be in Canton. He did burst into the league in '79 earning rookie of the year honors and was a great back early on for the Cards. He finished up with over 10,000 yards. I never thought of him as a HOF'er, but maybe I should...
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Post by Speedman on Jul 10, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
Always liked OJ. Hampton was a very good RB.
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Post by TEM on Jul 10, 2018 17:58:14 GMT -5
I am a big OJ fan. What he did in the SB and how it put the trophy in the case . Will always be special in NY Giants history.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 10, 2018 20:34:39 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 10, 2018 20:43:45 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well.
Super Bowl MVP, Team Leader vs malcontent?
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Post by TEM on Jul 10, 2018 20:52:49 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well. If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted?
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 11, 2018 9:41:55 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well. If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted? Good point. That's pretty much why I don't care to be too knowledgeable about who's inducted anymore or what their stats were and what not. It just seems like there is no metric anymore (generally). It almost seems like it's whoever gets the most media time and thus is the most popular. Davis was on nfl network for years (is he still? I'm not sure). He's constantly talked about.
I had no idea Ottis was that much higher than Davis when it comes to rushing yards. And Craig was just of much as a threat as Davis was, he could do it all.Makes no sense
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Post by GameTime on Jul 11, 2018 14:21:05 GMT -5
I was listening to OJ this morning on the NFL Network and he said some things I think are worth repeating.
He spoke of Rodney Hampton as being the most gifted of the RB's he played with on the Giants. It also became clear that OJ was like an older brother or even a father figure to the young RB's. OJ mentioned Tillman worked the hardest even if he wasn't the most talented.
He mentioned that the Giants plan to rotate running backs in '91, but he advised against it and told them it was Hampton's time, and he needed enough reps to find his groove. You can't perform as a RB in a rotational role like we saw McAdoo/Coughlin do.
OJ also made it known that he's hoping to one day be in Canton. He did burst into the league in '79 earning rookie of the year honors and was a great back early on for the Cards. He finished up with over 10,000 yards. I never thought of him as a HOF'er, but maybe I should... OJ and Rodney Hampton are two of my favorite Giants players. Worked hard, no bullshit, humble.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 11, 2018 16:26:02 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well.
Super Bowl MVP, Team Leader vs malcontent?
Haha well I'm just talking about their production on the field. Tiki was dominant his last three or four seasons, he was great both rushing and receiving. That's why I said it's hard to put one in and not the other because not only are they essentially even on rushing yards but Tiki has a lot of receptions and receiving yards as well
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Post by TEM on Jul 11, 2018 16:45:58 GMT -5
If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted? Good point. That's pretty much why I don't care to be too knowledgeable about who's inducted anymore or what their stats were and what not. It just seems like there is no metric anymore (generally). It almost seems like it's whoever gets the most media time and thus is the most popular. Davis was on nfl network for years (is he still? I'm not sure). He's constantly talked about.
I had no idea Ottis was that much higher than Davis when it comes to rushing yards. And Craig was just of much as a threat as Davis was, he could do it all.Makes no sense
I agree after a certain point on the list . I think it becomes a popularity contest.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 11, 2018 17:53:07 GMT -5
I was listening to OJ this morning on the NFL Network and he said some things I think are worth repeating.
He spoke of Rodney Hampton as being the most gifted of the RB's he played with on the Giants. It also became clear that OJ was like an older brother or even a father figure to the young RB's. OJ mentioned Tillman worked the hardest even if he wasn't the most talented.
He mentioned that the Giants plan to rotate running backs in '91, but he advised against it and told them it was Hampton's time, and he needed enough reps to find his groove. You can't perform as a RB in a rotational role like we saw McAdoo/Coughlin do.
OJ also made it known that he's hoping to one day be in Canton. He did burst into the league in '79 earning rookie of the year honors and was a great back early on for the Cards. He finished up with over 10,000 yards. I never thought of him as a HOF'er, but maybe I should... OJ and Rodney Hampton are two of my favorite Giants players. Worked hard, no bullshit, humble. Not anymore. Ever. It isn’t a stat based award and never has been as much as the quants like to pretend otherwise. This ain’t baseball it’s far too interdependent to have any individual statistic be all that meaningful.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Jul 11, 2018 23:47:22 GMT -5
OJ was a great player for the Cards and Giants. i always liked his determination. certainly he should be a serious candidate for the HOF.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 12, 2018 21:41:53 GMT -5
I think many see OJ as a borderline HOFer...I remember him with the cards...he was a great RB IMO...maybe he gets in one day?
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Post by jmike on Jul 13, 2018 10:01:01 GMT -5
If you have to ask if a player belongs in the hall of fame, then he doesn't belong.
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Post by r2z2 on Jul 24, 2018 5:05:26 GMT -5
Always liked OJ. Hampton was a very good RB. Same here. I don’t think OJ was a hall of famer though.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 29, 2018 17:48:08 GMT -5
OJ isn't a HOFer in my book, but then again neither is Bettis, TD, Warren Moon or a bunch of other inductees. Or in other words, why the hell not? OJ for HOF!
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Post by Roswell on Aug 15, 2018 12:12:05 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well. If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted? I agree. You can make an argument for both OJ and Craig to be in the Hall.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 15, 2018 12:15:43 GMT -5
When OJ first came into the league, he was a much different back than he was with the Giants. He had breakaway speed.
That famous play of him in the SB winding up and delivering a forearm to Kelso wouldn't have happen when he came into the league. Back then, when he got into the open, he was gone.
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Post by magilla on Aug 16, 2018 7:53:05 GMT -5
I think he's really underrated when you look at his career, his accomplishments, the way he played, and the cardinals teams he played on; which I assume weren't very good at all. Probably not a HOF worthy player though. I would say he's a borderline HOF type of player. I feel that if he was inducted then Tiki definitely needs to be inducted as well. If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted? I'm surprised Roger Craig isn't in HoF.
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Post by TEM on Aug 16, 2018 14:54:43 GMT -5
If you look at the NFL rushing leaders list . Terrell Davis has 2 rings 1SB MVP he is in. (#55 on the list) OJ has more Rushing yards than Davis OJ has 2 rings 1 SB MVP not in (#28 on the list) Rodger Craig more Rushing yards than Davis 3 SBs not in. (#44 on the list) Outside the top 20 NFL rushing leaders. Is there even a standard for a RB to be inducted? I'm surprised Roger Craig isn't in HoF. I am more surprised Terrell Davis is. How many of the Voters does he have dirt on?
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 18, 2018 12:38:00 GMT -5
He’s in the class of very good players. The HOF is for the greats.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 18, 2018 16:38:50 GMT -5
That Montana & Rice are in but not Craig is total BS, he played a very pivotal role in helping the team win those 3 SBs as much as Joe & Jerry did. Craig is one of the very few RBs in NFL history who had both a rushing & receiving season of 1000yds in the same yr. In Craig's 8yrs at SF as the full time starter, he rushed for an avg of 955yds per season, 6 rushing TDs per yr, had a career 4.2 ypc as a 9er. As a pass receiver at SF, he caught 63 passes a yr for 613yds & 2 TDs per yr. So Craig gave the 9ers 1,568 combined yds per yr & 8 combined TDs per season on 9ers teams that were usually stacked with offensive weapons on the O side of the ball besides him. He never got a ton of carries per yr at SF , he averaged 210 carries per yr. The yr he got a career high 310 carries, he got 1502 yds, 4.8ypc, his career high. If Terrell Davis is in the HOF, so should Anderson, Craig & Tiki imo.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2018 17:52:51 GMT -5
That Montana & Rice are in but not Craig is total BS, he played a very pivotal role in helping the team win those 3 SBs as much as Joe & Jerry did. Craig is one of the very few RBs in NFL history who had both a rushing & receiving season of 1000yds in the same yr. In Craig's 8yrs at SF as the full time starter, he rushed for an avg of 955yds per season, 6 rushing TDs per yr, had a career 4.2 ypc as a 9er. As a pass receiver at SF, he caught 63 passes a yr for 613yds & 2 TDs per yr. So Craig gave the 9ers 1,568 combined yds per yr & 8 combined TDs per season on 9ers teams that were usually stacked with offensive weapons on the O side of the ball besides him. He never got a ton of carries per yr at SF , he averaged 210 carries per yr. The yr he got a career high 310 carries, he got 1502 yds, 4.8ypc, his career high. If Terrell Davis is in the HOF, so should Anderson, Craig & Tiki imo. I kind of agree with your premise, Davis should never be used as a standard on who should be in. There is no logical reason for him to be in. Besides his SB MVP . He does not have the rushing numbers of time played to suggest a HOF career.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 19, 2018 16:44:09 GMT -5
If you have to ask if a player belongs in the hall of fame, then he doesn't belong. I think sometimes you do. In this case, OJ played on horrible St. Louis teams. They got very little national time on TV. The only time people in the East would even see OJ was the 2 games against the Giants every year, and maybe one or two other times. He was highly respected in his time. There was no ESPN, or NFL Channel, or shows based on football so that people could see, week in and week out, that OJ was a stud. I think if you polled his contemporaries he would get in. Other than Conrad Dobler, he never had much of a line in front of him.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 19, 2018 17:02:06 GMT -5
Today's generation doesn't seem to comprehend that the NFL just didn't get the national coverage it does now back in the late 70's or even 80s. And as you stated, he played for bad Cards teams in the 80s who never made the playoffs during his time there. But I think that 13362 rushing/rec yds & 86 TDs are HOF #s Imo. OJ had an aging Jim Hart in his last 3 yrs & then Neil Lomax who was a good QB but could never get them into the playoffs.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 19, 2018 17:21:10 GMT -5
I loved OJ and he was a great Giant ... but I never saw him as a HOFer ....
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 20, 2018 14:50:18 GMT -5
I loved OJ and he was a great Giant ... but I never saw him as a HOFer .... Did you see enough of him in his first 8 seasons with the Cardinals? Or is your observation from the years with us, when he was 32 and older?
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 20, 2018 15:31:23 GMT -5
Probably the latter for most of these posters dissing the guy. I only remember him from the 90' SB, didn't even know he was with us in 86'. But when you take into account that he accumulated the vast majority of his numbers playing for a very bad Cards team, he rates the HOF imo. Fans born in the late 80s or 90s seem to go by Madden type numbers of today's players. They look at the stats of players from the 70s-80s & say "pfft, those aren't great numbers like Brees/AR/Brady have. They don't take into account the bad teams some of these great players played on during their careers. OJ Simpson & Namath are the greatest examples of superstar players wasting their talents on really bad teams during the vast majority of their careers. IMO, OJ is in the top 3 RBs of all time due to the fact that he was the entire Buffalo O & defenses still couldn't stop him. In 73; when he became the 1st RB in NFL history to rush for 2000yds & the only one to do it in 14 games mind you, all defenses stacked the box to stop him & just couldn't. Going into the season finale vs the Jets, OJ was still 196yds shy of 2000, you don't think the Jet defense wanted to prevent him from doing that against them? In a snowy day at Shea, OJ rushed for 200yds & finished with 2003yds. Bills QB only attempted 5 passes all game! Namath was also the 1st & only QB to throw for 4000yds in 14 games, All the rest came when the NFL went to a 16 game season in 78'. 30-40yrs ago, the NFL wasn't the 'soft/gentle" game you see today where QBs are coddled & WRs are now also protected when going over the middle, back then, a WR took his life in his hands going over the middle, they don't have that fear in today's NFL. Now this BS Helmet rule is gonna make things even worse & probably cost us a game or 2 during the season thanks to this BS "player safety" crap. Football is a COLLISION sport, not a contact sport! Don't wanna get hurt or get a concussion, play tennis. All NFL players knew back then what the risks of playing football were & so do today's players, it's why they get paid the big bucks.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 20, 2018 16:40:27 GMT -5
I loved OJ and he was a great Giant ... but I never saw him as a HOFer .... Did you see enough of him in his first 8 seasons with the Cardinals? Or is your observation from the years with us, when he was 32 and older? Good point. I remember his entire career with the Cardinals, but that was pre-NFL ticket package on TV so I really only saw him play complete games (as opposed to highlights) when the Cards played the Giants twice a year (they were in the same division back then). I think he came to us when he was 29
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 20, 2018 17:44:44 GMT -5
Did you see enough of him in his first 8 seasons with the Cardinals? Or is your observation from the years with us, when he was 32 and older? Good point. I remember his entire career with the Cardinals, but that was pre-NFL ticket package on TV so I really only saw him play complete games (as opposed to highlights) when the Cards played the Giants twice a year (they were in the same division back then). I think he came to us when he was 29 yep, 29. 8 yrs and 7,999 with Cards; 7 years and 2,274 with us. Like I said earlier, I think Stewart will serve the same purpose this year that Otis did in his time... giving Rodney Hampton a rest. He said it was Hamptons team and he was happy giving him a break and helping the team. He ran a lot of 3rd and shorts, like I see Stewart doing for us.... if Stew even makes the team. I haven't seen a preseason game, but hear that Martin looks good. In any case, if Stewart makes the team, it will be for more thanhis diminished talent. OJ only made 2 ALL pro teams. He was a steady 1,000 yds every year on a poor team. But, I agree with you, he is borderline.He might have had a better shot if he retired after those 8 years with the Cards, when he was at his best.. With us, he was the solid Vet. He certainly got praise for the job he did helping Hoss in the SB drive... but, that doesn't make him HOF... it makes him more appreciated in my own mind
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