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Post by mikethenygfan on Dec 31, 2019 11:29:38 GMT -5
The Gettleman haters are those that still think Odell Beckham is the NFL star that he thinks he is......fact is Odell isn’t worth it and his actual production has been, is, and will be mediocre. Now that Cleveland dumped their coach, look for Odell to be on another team next September as he takes his traveling clown show on the road again. it seems pretty clear that odell lost some of that quickness and explosion he just doesn’t look like the same player, he still has great hands and can make circus catches so i guess thats why we traded him to the circus.....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 31, 2019 14:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 31, 2019 15:22:14 GMT -5
Time to move on ... the decision has been made. Hope for the best and if it’s the same old next year, he’ll be gone
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Post by southerner on Dec 31, 2019 17:04:06 GMT -5
The Gettleman haters are those that still think Odell Beckham is the NFL star that he thinks he is......fact is Odell isn’t worth it and his actual production has been, is, and will be mediocre. Now that Cleveland dumped their coach, look for Odell to be on another team next September as he takes his traveling clown show on the road again. Slayton had better stats than Odell.....Slayton was a 5th round draft choice.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 31, 2019 17:14:39 GMT -5
Slayton had better stats than Odell.....Slayton was a 5th round draft choice. IDK I expected him to do better, He still has his play making ability , as You heard the HC has been fired. Maybe that sophomore slump from mayfield or bad playcalling. Slayton was an excellent draft choice. However lets not forget odell was still on our books for 20mil last season.
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Post by southerner on Jan 1, 2020 9:44:02 GMT -5
Slayton had better stats than Odell.....Slayton was a 5th round draft choice. IDK I expected him to do better, He still has his play making ability , as You heard the HC has been fired. Maybe that sophomore slump from mayfield or bad playcalling. Slayton was an excellent draft choice. However lets not forget odell was still on our books for 20mil last season. Yep, and this offseason the Giants will have a boatload of cap space, and 3 starters for that 20 million ....Gettleman hoodwinked Dorsey which caused Dorsey his job.......that was Dave at his best...give away nothing and get a lot in return.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 1, 2020 9:49:23 GMT -5
IDK I expected him to do better, He still has his play making ability , as You heard the HC has been fired. Maybe that sophomore slump from mayfield or bad playcalling. Slayton was an excellent draft choice. However lets not forget odell was still on our books for 20mil last season. Yep, and this offseason the Giants will have a boatload of cap space, and 3 starters for that 20 million ....Gettleman hoodwinked Dorsey which caused Dorsey his job.......that was Dave at his best...give away nothing and get a lot in return. I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game .
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Post by southerner on Jan 1, 2020 10:08:21 GMT -5
Yep, and this offseason the Giants will have a boatload of cap space, and 3 starters for that 20 million ....Gettleman hoodwinked Dorsey which caused Dorsey his job.......that was Dave at his best...give away nothing and get a lot in return. I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game . It’s always next year for Odell...he is a cancer and his production is far, far below his pay scale, plus he is as fragile as a porcelain doll. Terrell Owens was a headcase and a me-first diva just like Odell, but TO put up great production and was one tough SOB. That is why TO is a hall of famer. Odell will be out of the league in 3 or 4 years as it is apparent his body will never hold up and he will be remembered as a guy that had great promise but never came close to attaining it, while alienating himself from every team he plays for......so far that is two teams, and he will probably join his third team this offseason.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 1, 2020 11:46:06 GMT -5
Yep, and this offseason the Giants will have a boatload of cap space, and 3 starters for that 20 million ....Gettleman hoodwinked Dorsey which caused Dorsey his job.......that was Dave at his best...give away nothing and get a lot in return. I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game . Sure, just like it. Except Jordan’s game was a playoff game not a meaningless season ending game against one of the worst teams in the league. And Jordan’s performance was by far the best performance by anyone on his team. Beckham’s wasnt. But other than that, sure exactly the same kinda.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 1, 2020 12:23:44 GMT -5
I like how this thread got to page 20, on the 1st day of 2020.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 1, 2020 12:32:34 GMT -5
I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game . Sure, just like it. Except Jordan’s game was a playoff game not a meaningless season ending game against one of the worst teams in the league. And Jordan’s performance was by far the best performance by anyone on his team. Beckham’s wasnt. But other than that, sure exactly the same kinda. I really thought he was going to have like 12 or 13 TD's in that game...really show what he could do without Eli, as people told me would happen. He did do one thing better with Baker...the percentage of passes he dropped increased...so he's got that going form, which is nice.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 1, 2020 12:44:42 GMT -5
I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game . Sure, just like it. Except Jordan’s game was a playoff game not a meaningless season ending game against one of the worst teams in the league. And Jordan’s performance was by far the best performance by anyone on his team. Beckham’s wasnt. But other than that, sure exactly the same kinda. Obviously i was being facetious , But I think he has grown a little as a person. He could have just not played in a "meaningless" game and sick, he did anyway and he wasnt throwing anyone under the bus for a disappointing season.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 1, 2020 17:35:45 GMT -5
Well, there are others in the media still claiming the new HC might determine if DG stays. Pretty sure that isn't true either, not after their statements today. Yeah, I dont see that either. No way they let a new HC come in here and make that decision. if the new HC came in here and told the owners who he wanted for GM then this organization has dipped back into the stone age of pro football..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 1, 2020 17:37:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I dont see that either. No way they let a new HC come in here and make that decision. if the new HC came in here and told the owners who he wanted for GM then this organization has dipped back into the stone age of pro football.. Unless the HC is the new GM.... Belichick
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2020 9:08:55 GMT -5
He brings up some great points. DG keeps pounding his chest about his Carolina SB appearance, but most the best players were not drafted by him.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 2, 2020 10:04:48 GMT -5
if the new HC came in here and told the owners who he wanted for GM then this organization has dipped back into the stone age of pro football.. Unless the HC is the new GM.... Belichick I seriously doubt that will happen.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 2, 2020 10:10:12 GMT -5
He brings up some great points. DG keeps pounding his chest about his Carolina SB appearance, but most the best players were not drafted by him. Technically, DG acquired 75% of that roster. Core players are a different story.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 2, 2020 12:18:24 GMT -5
He brings up some great points. DG keeps pounding his chest about his Carolina SB appearance, but most the best players were not drafted by him. Technically, DG acquired 75% of that roster. Core players are a different story. I can't imagine why anyone would be clamoring to claim to be the force behind drafting Newton. Although I Guess I would;t put it past Gettelman, he does seem to love drafting RBs early.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 2, 2020 14:34:47 GMT -5
DG should be gone with schurmer .. how great can his drafts be when we are 9-22 over 2 years with them.. I don’t care about all the analytics crap behind the scenes of its not working . The only way we can judge a GM or coach is wins - losses .. His drafts were great. Lots of good players, but when the entire roster needs replacement, it takes time to rebuild the entire team. His drafts were better than Reese’s but I’m just not seeing anything great . Jones and barkely are solid and he did well with Slayton but it seems like his defensive players and O-line are all average at best . Through 2 drafts the defense is still awful and the o line can’t block anyone . Even with his addition of Williams , we got shredded on the ground by the eagles 15th string RB . On a team that’s rebuilding he gave away 2 draft picks for nothing . He was every bit as responsible for the lack of wins as schurmer
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Post by jmike on Jan 2, 2020 16:22:55 GMT -5
I think odell is still a #1 WR , i dont think gettleman hoodwinked anyone eating 20mill. I also think odell being a cancer is drastically exaggerated. he even played his last game sick, think of jordans flu game . Sure, just like it. Except Jordan’s game was a playoff game not a meaningless season ending game against one of the worst teams in the league. And Jordan’s performance was by far the best performance by anyone on his team. Beckham’s wasnt. But other than that, sure exactly the same kinda. Well it really seems that OBJ was lucky to get away from Eli holding him back. 2018 Yards: 1052 2019 Yards: 1035 2018 TDs: 6 2019 TDs: 4 2018 Y/R: 13.7 2019 Y/R: 14.0 2018 Y/G: 87.7 2019 Y/G: 64.7 2018 Yrds/Trgt: 8.5 2019 Yrds/Trgt: 7.8 2018 Rec: 77 2019 Rec: 74 Really amazing what a QB not named Eli Manning can do to boost a player's production.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 2, 2020 16:43:58 GMT -5
Its not speculation. "Finding Giants" was a mini doc featuring.. the New York Giants. We agree his FA is trash. It hard to argue otherwise. However, about his drafts though. What part of his first draft is looking good? I suppose Saquon is great. However, Hernendez? Carter? BJ Hill? Kyle Lauletta? He also took a supplemental CB in Sam Beal whos played 5 games? For all the credit this draft class gets it looks suspect right now. One should expect more from a draft class where we had the #2 pick. DG also traded a 3rd and 4th, both high draft picks for the.. opportunity to sign an DE that had 0.5 sacks this past year. Williams has all the leverage in that negotiation, and he will fleece DG. Last year he drafted Jones. That is why is still has a job right now. We need more of that but wouldn't exactly bet on that to occur. He drafted more than just Jones last year. You can argue that the Giants had one of the best drafts in the NFL in 2019. How can we possibly make that argument on a team that had 5 wins in 2018 and 4 wins in 2019? I mean don’t teams that have great drafts see it equate to wins ? 2 of our wins were against Miami and a squeaker against Washington in OT.. I’m not seeing the talent
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2020 16:44:41 GMT -5
Sure, just like it. Except Jordan’s game was a playoff game not a meaningless season ending game against one of the worst teams in the league. And Jordan’s performance was by far the best performance by anyone on his team. Beckham’s wasnt. But other than that, sure exactly the same kinda. Well it really seems that OBJ was lucky to get away from Eli holding him back. 2018 Yards: 1052 2019 Yards: 1035 2018 TDs: 6 2019 TDs: 4 2018 Y/R: 13.7 2019 Y/R: 14.0 2018 Y/G: 87.7 2019 Y/G: 64.7 2018 Yrds/Trgt: 8.5 2019 Yrds/Trgt: 7.8 2018 Rec: 77 2019 Rec: 74 Really amazing what a QB not named Eli Manning can do to boost a player's production. lol To be fair though, there is more that goes into those numbers than just Eli holding him back or not. Odell definitely helped Eli stay in the league longer.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 2, 2020 16:48:00 GMT -5
Well it really seems that OBJ was lucky to get away from Eli holding him back. 2018 Yards: 1052 2019 Yards: 1035 2018 TDs: 6 2019 TDs: 4 2018 Y/R: 13.7 2019 Y/R: 14.0 2018 Y/G: 87.7 2019 Y/G: 64.7 2018 Yrds/Trgt: 8.5 2019 Yrds/Trgt: 7.8 2018 Rec: 77 2019 Rec: 74 Really amazing what a QB not named Eli Manning can do to boost a player's production. lol To be fair though, there is more that goes into those numbers than just Eli holding him back or not. Odell definitely helped Eli stay in the league longer. too bad Odell could help himself stay on a team..... word is he will be out of Cleveland too with the new GM....whom ever that may be. The immortalized John Dorsey canned. Wow.....
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Post by southerner on Jan 2, 2020 17:08:07 GMT -5
lol To be fair though, there is more that goes into those numbers than just Eli holding him back or not. Odell definitely helped Eli stay in the league longer. too bad Odell could help himself stay on a team..... word is he will be out of Cleveland too with the new GM....whom ever that may be. The immortalized John Dorsey canned. Wow..... Odell is a coach and GM killer. Everything he touches suffers.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 2, 2020 17:15:56 GMT -5
lol To be fair though, there is more that goes into those numbers than just Eli holding him back or not. Odell definitely helped Eli stay in the league longer. too bad Odell could help himself stay on a team..... word is he will be out of Cleveland too with the new GM....whom ever that may be. The immortalized John Dorsey canned. Wow..... The word is?
from who? How could anyone know that if they don't even know who the new GM will be?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2020 17:23:49 GMT -5
lol To be fair though, there is more that goes into those numbers than just Eli holding him back or not. Odell definitely helped Eli stay in the league longer. too bad Odell could help himself stay on a team..... word is he will be out of Cleveland too with the new GM....whom ever that may be. The immortalized John Dorsey canned. Wow..... It's the Browns. It was inevitable.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 2, 2020 18:27:56 GMT -5
He drafted more than just Jones last year. You can argue that the Giants had one of the best drafts in the NFL in 2019. How can we possibly make that argument on a team that had 5 wins in 2018 and 4 wins in 2019? I mean don’t teams that have great drafts see it equate to wins ? 2 of our wins were against Miami and a squeaker against Washington in OT.. I’m not seeing the talent Jones seems like an excellent choice, Dexter Lawrence looks good, Connelly was a starter before getting hurt and played well, X man shows signs of a player who can contribute and Slayton pretty much replaced Beckham. That’s a productive draft and if the CBs take a significant step then it was a home run.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 4, 2020 12:39:19 GMT -5
How can we possibly make that argument on a team that had 5 wins in 2018 and 4 wins in 2019? I mean don’t teams that have great drafts see it equate to wins ? 2 of our wins were against Miami and a squeaker against Washington in OT.. I’m not seeing the talent Jones seems like an excellent choice, Dexter Lawrence looks good, Connelly was a starter before getting hurt and played well, X man shows signs of a player who can contribute and Slayton pretty much replaced Beckham. That’s a productive draft and if the CBs take a significant step then it was a home run. Maybe productive on paper , but the productivity hasn’t shown on the field . Gettleman said it himself , this is a bottom line business and It’s based off of wins and losses .. he also said that Schurmer is the one who wanted jones in the draft so we are gettleman too much credit
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Post by McCherry on Jan 4, 2020 12:49:19 GMT -5
Jones seems like an excellent choice, Dexter Lawrence looks good, Connelly was a starter before getting hurt and played well, X man shows signs of a player who can contribute and Slayton pretty much replaced Beckham. That’s a productive draft and if the CBs take a significant step then it was a home run. Maybe productive on paper , but the productivity hasn’t shown on the field . Gettleman said it himself , this is a bottom line business and It’s based off of wins and losses .. he also said that Schurmer is the one who wanted jones in the draft so we are gettleman too much credit I'd love an explanation of that statement but I'm pretty sure that would be impossible.
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Post by redeyejedi on Jan 4, 2020 12:52:43 GMT -5
His drafts were great. Lots of good players, but when the entire roster needs replacement, it takes time to rebuild the entire team. His drafts were better than Reese’s but I’m just not seeing anything great . Jones and barkely are solid and he did well with Slayton but it seems like his defensive players and O-line are all average at best . Through 2 drafts the defense is still awful and the o line can’t block anyone . Even with his addition of Williams , we got shredded on the ground by the eagles 15th string RB . On a team that’s rebuilding he gave away 2 draft picks for nothing . He was every bit as responsible for the lack of wins as schurmer The downfall for Reese was the 2012 Draft. Not taking Cordy Glenn and taking David Wilson was a huge turning point. I wonder what happens if he takes Glenn and Kyle Long the next year how much better our team would of been As far as Gettleman I hate almost every move he has made in Free Agency but I think his drafts have certainly been above average, I really liked his picks in 2019. I thought his picks after the first round were very strong. My biggest beef with Gettleman was taking Barkley. I know he is a superior talent but the Giants roster was in shambles and needed a youth infusion at key positions. We were switching to a 3-4 defense and didn't have the personnel to run it.They had an oppurtunity to jump start the rebuild and instead took a RB. It was incredbily short sighted. I keep thinking about how much better off this roster would be had they traded with the Jets. Can you imagine having Quenton Nelson, Nick Chubb, and Harold Landry. Plus another 2nd rounder in 2019. Maybe we get Josh Allen, Dexter Lawrence, and Daniel Jones with that extra pick to play with.
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