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Post by allnygin on Mar 16, 2021 13:59:09 GMT -5
Why bc he has a huge say.. and this is an entire offseason of work, i'm not saying fire him if thats what you think I was implying, but if he goes into this year without majorily helping out Jones that's complete neglect. Fireable offense for gettlemen and just a bad mark for Judge, however, I don't think Judge is that stupid to allow that. After 1 year, I certainly have some doubts about Judge's coaching ability as evident in my signature, but he is here for a few more years. He will get his QB and have a shot at being a successful HC. Or at least he should, but we are the Giants so who knows... Oh yeah, I agree. Judge is here for at least a few more years despite this years outcome. I hope Jones IS his QB, that is why its imperative they do all that they can to give him that oppurunity this season. As much as i'm skeptical about Jones, its unfair to judge him he's litterally had nothing to work with, and if he doesn't work out thats a huge set back. At least if the giants use this offseason correctly they get him some weapons he has a chance to ball out if he fails, they know what they have and the next guy that comes in is set up.. You'd have to expect the Giants are going to try and do that, but if they're relying on just the draft for this to happen that's not wise
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2021 14:02:10 GMT -5
After 1 year, I certainly have some doubts about Judge's coaching ability as evident in my signature, but he is here for a few more years. He will get his QB and have a shot at being a successful HC. Or at least he should, but we are the Giants so who knows... Oh yeah, I agree. Judge is here for at least a few more years despite this years outcome. I hope Jones IS his QB, that is why its imperative they do all that they can to give him that oppurunity this season. As much as i'm skeptical about Jones, its unfair to judge he's litterally had nothing to work with, and if he doesn't work out thats a huge set back. At least if the giants use this offseason correctly they get him some weapons he has a chance to ball out if he fails, they know what they have and the next guy that comes in is set up.. You'd have to expect the Giants are going to try and do that, but if they're relying on just the draft for this to happen that's not wise wouldn’t shock me if one year from now the Giants are in the Jets situation. Picking #2, lot of cap space, little talent and a decision to make at QB (trade out or draft a new one).
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 16, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I agree. Judge is here for at least a few more years despite this years outcome. I hope Jones IS his QB, that is why its imperative they do all that they can to give him that oppurunity this season. As much as i'm skeptical about Jones, its unfair to judge he's litterally had nothing to work with, and if he doesn't work out thats a huge set back. At least if the giants use this offseason correctly they get him some weapons he has a chance to ball out if he fails, they know what they have and the next guy that comes in is set up.. You'd have to expect the Giants are going to try and do that, but if they're relying on just the draft for this to happen that's not wise wouldn’t shock me if one year from now the Giants are in the Jets situation. Picking #2, lot of cap space, little talent and a decision to make at QB (trade out or draft a new one). At this point we better try to be #1, but I honestly dont know much about the QB situation in college for 2021, and who will be the guy. Trevor Lawrence was special for a while, but Burrow was only a 1 year wonder so someone could pop up.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Mar 16, 2021 14:10:51 GMT -5
Balls in a vice. Awful GM. I remember when some here were claiming Williams didnt have the leverage in getting the deal done. We should have resigned Tomlinson and let Williams go. Then with the extra cash go after a WR or OLineman. LW has had all the leverage against the team the minute he walked into the door.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2021 14:12:58 GMT -5
wouldn’t shock me if one year from now the Giants are in the Jets situation. Picking #2, lot of cap space, little talent and a decision to make at QB (trade out or draft a new one). At this point we better try to be #1, but I honestly dont know much about the QB situation in college for 2021, and who will be the guy. Trevor Lawrence was special for a while, but Burrow was only a 1 year wonder so someone could pop up. bud, we are approx 18/19 months until that kickoff date. Not sure who will be available by then yet i think we’re already in the running.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 16, 2021 14:17:59 GMT -5
At this point we better try to be #1, but I honestly dont know much about the QB situation in college for 2021, and who will be the guy. Trevor Lawrence was special for a while, but Burrow was only a 1 year wonder so someone could pop up. bud, we are approx 18/19 months until that kickoff date. Not sure who will be available by then yet i think we’re already in the running. 13.5 months, but who is counting....
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2021 14:18:53 GMT -5
bud, we are approx 18/19 months until that kickoff date. Not sure who will be available by then yet i think we’re already in the running. 13.5 months, but who is counting.... Sept kickoff, not the draft (17.4 months until week 2 Sept). Can’t wait
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 30, 2021 13:46:42 GMT -5
A promising read about our your GM, my GM, our GM, and his amazing resume... "Rarely does a hire prove so quickly to be a mistake. It's actually quite a remarkable job by Gettleman. He made headlines in a bad way ahead of his first draft with Big Blue as he railed against the analytics movement and sounded very much like a man living 20 years in the past. He then proved those quotes weren't for show and drafted Saquon Barkley second overall despite the obvious decline of the value of running backs in the modern NFL. That's a pick that can be forgiven if everything else breaks right. Barkley's talent level is high enough to justify it if the team around him is built correctly. Gettleman, as we've seen, failed to do that. His next two top draft picks, Daniel Jones (No. 6 in 2019) and Andrew Thomas (No. 4 in 2020) are both on track to bust status. It's too early to consider the jury out on both players, but the returns so far reflect badly on the man who made the call to select them. Jones has shown flashes of starting potential in his first two seasons, and the 2019 draft was very bad for quarterbacks in a year the Giants really needed one. At least Jones, unlike Dwayne Haskins or Drew Lock, is still starting for the team that drafted him. But there hasn't been the progress that a high first-round pick should exhibit, especially at quarterback. It's been the opposite, in fact. After throwing for 24 TDs and 11 interceptions as a rookie, Jones managed only 11 TDs with 10 picks as a sophomore. Those aren't exactly numbers that inspire thoughts of Jones as the long-term future. Thomas has been substantially worse. He started at left tackle from the get-go with New York and was one of the worst rookie lineman in the NFL. That happens and it doesn't mean Thomas is going to be a terrible player forever, but the selection makes Gettleman look all the worse because out of the four tackles taken in the first round of the 2020 draft, Thomas was easily the worst. And he was taken before everyone else. Neither of those two guys appeared to have made much progress, either. Preseason games are made for overreaction to good performances, and those who do so often look silly in retrospect. But when a player looks bad in a preseason game, it's usually far more telling. Last night's Patriots-Giants game showed how little Jones and Thomas have come along. Thomas was a turnstile all night, giving up two sacks in the first two drives. Jones, meanwhile, mustered 135 yards and one touchdown pass. Not a bad night in preseason. But it also took him 17 completions on 22 attempts to even get to 135 yards, and his one interception on the night is something you'd expect to see from a low-round rookie, not a former top-10 pick. As I said, it's remarkable that Gettleman's first three meaningful picks have all been net negatives for one reason or the other. Barkley had a good rookie season on a team that won four games before tearing his ACL. Jones has struggled to show anything resembling quality quarterback play, potential be damned. Thomas looks like the worst of the bunch and is giving fans unpleasant flashbacks of another first-round bust named Ereck Flowers. www.thebiglead.com/posts/dave-gettleman-out-of-second-chances-01febpq5h01j
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 30, 2021 13:52:02 GMT -5
LMAO.
Dude. Using this website no one has ever heard of to back up your point is self defeating. We get it, you don't like DG. The season is here now can we just route on our team without fighting about the GM, HC, 3 year old draft picks ect? What ever happened to waiting 3 years to judge a draft class anyway? Thomas is already a bust?
Anyone that says every move DG made was a bad one is clearly not seeing things clearly.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Aug 30, 2021 13:58:29 GMT -5
LMAO. Dude. Using this website no one has ever heard of to back up your point is self defeating. We get it, you don't like DG. The season is here now can we just route on our team without fighting about the GM, HC, 3 year old draft picks ect? What ever happened to waiting 3 years to judge a draft class anyway? Thomas is already a bust? Anyone that says every move DG made was a bad one is clearly not seeing things clearly. But you have to admit that his most important decisions, SQB, Jones, and Thomas have all been flops. That is team changing capital right there that he incorrectly invested in. SQB has the best chance this season of showing his value, but Jones and Thomas look like they are both still fresh off the rookie bus. It's self perpetuating as when Thomas sucks, he inevitably makes Jones and SQB suck.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 30, 2021 14:05:05 GMT -5
LMAO. Dude. Using this website no one has ever heard of to back up your point is self defeating. We get it, you don't like DG. The season is here now can we just route on our team without fighting about the GM, HC, 3 year old draft picks ect? What ever happened to waiting 3 years to judge a draft class anyway? Thomas is already a bust? Anyone that says every move DG made was a bad one is clearly not seeing things clearly. But you have to admit that his most important decisions, SQB, Jones, and Thomas have all been flops. That is team changing capital right there that he incorrectly invested in. SQB has the best chance this season of showing his value, but Jones and Thomas look like they are both still fresh off the rookie bus. It's self perpetuating as when Thomas sucks, he inevitably makes Jones and SQB suck. No, no I don't have to admit that. Thomas played ONE season for gods sake.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 30, 2021 14:12:37 GMT -5
If we are being fair, pretty much everyone on this board wanted Thomas.
Waaay too early to call him a bust.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 30, 2021 14:12:56 GMT -5
if they go 3-14 / to 6-11 should get it done.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 30, 2021 14:15:11 GMT -5
But you have to admit that his most important decisions, SQB, Jones, and Thomas have all been flops. That is team changing capital right there that he incorrectly invested in. SQB has the best chance this season of showing his value, but Jones and Thomas look like they are both still fresh off the rookie bus. It's self perpetuating as when Thomas sucks, he inevitably makes Jones and SQB suck. No, no I don't have to admit that. Thomas played ONE season for gods sake. Meh, call me prophetic then... You don't think I hope I'm wrong? I want this team to go undefeated every year. I want Dave Gettleman to be the GM of the century. This is my team I follow endlessly. But Im calling a spade a spade and I am allowed to do so. He has ruined this team for far too long. Not a time for puppy dogs and rainbows. Every year I say "I hope you guys can bump this at the end of the season and make me look bad on this take." Ill say it again. I hope Im wrong. By the way, that article clearly says its too early on DJ and Thomas to say they are terrible forever.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 30, 2021 14:19:17 GMT -5
If we are being fair, pretty much everyone on this board wanted Thomas. Waaay too early to call him a bust. Agree there is talent, last 8 games he shut down JPP D Lawrence and Carl Lawson. He was a board favorite my guy was Wills who looked like Thomas during joint practices with us. He fought his way to being solid tackle the second half of the year 2020 so he knows what to do to fix his issues.
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Post by Martin on Aug 30, 2021 14:23:31 GMT -5
If we are being fair, pretty much everyone on this board wanted Thomas. Waaay too early to call him a bust. Agree there is talent, last 8 games he shut down JPP D Lawrence and Carl Lawson. He was a board favorite my guy was Wills who looked like Thomas during joint practices with us. He fought his way to being solid tackle the second half of the year 2020 so he knows what to do to fix his issues. I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 30, 2021 14:29:05 GMT -5
Agree there is talent, last 8 games he shut down JPP D Lawrence and Carl Lawson. He was a board favorite my guy was Wills who looked like Thomas during joint practices with us. He fought his way to being solid tackle the second half of the year 2020 so he knows what to do to fix his issues. I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows. I just want to knowhow he took a step back he was moving in a positive direction.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 30, 2021 14:31:56 GMT -5
Agree there is talent, last 8 games he shut down JPP D Lawrence and Carl Lawson. He was a board favorite my guy was Wills who looked like Thomas during joint practices with us. He fought his way to being solid tackle the second half of the year 2020 so he knows what to do to fix his issues. I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows. It is true that he's still a very young player, now getting his finer points from a second group of coaches in his second season. He did show promise against good players in the second half last year. It is not time to jump off a bridge but suffering over the past decade has put me squarely into "show me" mode. No free passes, only results count now.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 30, 2021 14:43:23 GMT -5
I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows. It is true that he's still a very young player, now getting his finer points from a second group of coaches in his second season. He did show promise against good players in the second half last year. It is not time to jump off a bridge but suffering over the past decade has put me squarely into "show me" mode. No free passes, only results count now. I think the biggest disappointment on Thomas development is that he appears to be the 4th best OLman of the "Big 4" from 2020. It is way too early to say he is a bust, but he has to show improvement this year. And as Giants fans, we are TIRED of the OL being a weak link. This kid was dominant in the SEC as a college player. Many, including me, thought it would transition pretty easy. In fact, he was "the most NFL ready OL" of that bunch.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 30, 2021 14:46:01 GMT -5
I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows. I just want to knowhow he took a step back he was moving in a positive direction. He had a really bad game later in the year last year too. Maybe it was more about "who" he was going against in the 2nd half? Im not sure, but that Patriots tape sucks.
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Post by Martin on Aug 30, 2021 14:47:50 GMT -5
I don't think making a fast move on Thomas is gonna work. As you mentioned he handled some pretty good players and the Giants Oline coaches this year are excellent. We have to wait this out but the impatience grows. It is true that he's still a very young player, now getting his finer points from a second group of coaches in his second season. He did show promise against good players in the second half last year. It is not time to jump off a bridge but suffering over the past decade has put me squarely into "show me" mode. No free passes, only results count now. I'm with you my brother. It's show me time for sure!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 30, 2021 15:08:16 GMT -5
I just want to knowhow he took a step back he was moving in a positive direction. He had a really bad game later in the year last year too. Maybe it was more about "who" he was going against in the 2nd half? Im not sure, but that Patriots tape sucks. He handled JPP/ Carl Lawson/ and D Lawrence off the top of my head, think he might of slipped in the Ravens game. Agree 100% last night was as ugly as it gets I try to be fair he was playing pretty solid ball last 8 games and supposedly during the joint practices. We will see what happens but I am sick of this $#!t he and they need to get their act together protect the QB and run the ball..
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Post by lexington11 on Aug 30, 2021 15:38:23 GMT -5
FIRE HIM BEFORE HE RUINS US FOR EVEN MORE YEARS! this started with Reese and has snowballed into one big cluster ****.
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Post by southerner on Aug 30, 2021 15:50:07 GMT -5
Can’t the Mara’s arrange something with one of the colorful Italian folks we hear so much about in NYC having a little talk with Gettleman, and why he should leave the Giants today?
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 30, 2021 16:02:29 GMT -5
Meh, call me prophetic then... You don't think I hope I'm wrong? I want this team to go undefeated every year. I want Dave Gettleman to be the GM of the century. This is my team I follow endlessly. But Im calling a spade a spade and I am allowed to do so. He has ruined this team for far too long. Not a time for puppy dogs and rainbows. Every year I say "I hope you guys can bump this at the end of the season and make me look bad on this take." Ill say it again. I hope Im wrong. By the way, that article clearly says its too early on DJ and Thomas to say they are terrible forever. I honestly don't care what you hope at this point. Your timing is complete shit. We are two weeks away from the season opener. Let's see how it goes. You had all off season to complain about this crap. Nope not a time for puppies and rainbows, not a time for doom and gloom either. It's time for reality and we shall see what that is.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 30, 2021 16:06:38 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what you hope at this point. Your timing is complete shit. We are two weeks away from the season opener. Let's see how it goes. You had all off season to complain about this crap. Nope not a time for puppies and rainbows, not a time for doom and gloom either. It's time for reality and we shall see what that is. I wonder how many iterations of this post were uttered in August 2020, August 2019, and August 2018? Not sure. Like I said, the timing is shit. All offseason would have been better timing than between the last preseason game and the first game of the season. Calling for the GMs job BEFORE the season even starts lmao. Stay classy San Diego.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 30, 2021 16:08:44 GMT -5
firing DG would be a bullshit drama creating move.
After this season if it sucks then sure. Doing now will add nothing positive to the team whatsoever. It wont light a fire under anyone's asses
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 30, 2021 16:10:31 GMT -5
I wonder how many iterations of this post were uttered in August 2020, August 2019, and August 2018? Not sure. Like I said, the timing is shit. All offseason would have been better timing than between the last preseason game and the first game of the season. Calling for the GMs job BEFORE the season even starts lmao. Stay classy San Diego.
It's his own OP. Nothing but another hot take from him after a bad preseason game
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 30, 2021 16:10:53 GMT -5
Ahh I cracked the case. 4 Hours ago the OP made a poll asking people what our record would be. Clearly there were too many positive responses to that poll. So he then came here 2 hours ago and bumped this thread after reading some garbage "article" that backed up his feelings.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 30, 2021 16:12:38 GMT -5
firing DG would be a bullshit drama creating move. After this season if it sucks then sure. Doing now will add nothing positive to the team whatsoever. It wont light a fire under anyone's asses Firing him now looks also like a panic move .. This is his "you bought it,you own it" season...his legacy here is defined by this year I gave him the benefit or tbe doubt last year against my better judgment after putting a vintage 1995 level offense on tbe field because or the covid situation Not this year
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