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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 5:17:44 GMT -5
My first post on a Giants forum since Giants . com banned me years ago. Anyway, here goes: Trading for Alec Ogletree answered a lot of fans concerns over the linebacker position. He's arguably the most promising player we've had at the position since Antonio Pierce. That said, there remains little depth behind Ogletree. B.J. Goodson will be the "starting" ILB next to Ogletree in the base 3-4 set. He started out promising with a big 18 tackle game vs the Cowboys in week 1, but got injured in week 2, and didn't do much for the remainder of the season before being IRed. There's reason for excitement about Goodson's potential, but his ability to contribute over the course of a 16 game season is still ultimately a question mark. Behind the two "starters", we are relying on: Calvin Munson, who played OK as a fill-in but his athleticism is clearly limited Mark Herzlich, we all know Herz, I assume, if you're on this board Ray-Ray Armstrong, who played a few games for us last year, who knew? Apparently he's a coverage LBer Thurston Armbrister, I know nothing about this guy, but he just seems like a classic pre-season cut. Harsh, I know, so sorry. Tae Davis, a UDFA,former safety. Who knows? Should the Giants seriously consider bringing in another William Gay type of veteran presence at ILB, not expensive, but a solid stop gap with experience? Is there one available? Who's left on the FA market, there's always a few names? Wait for cuts? Do we even have any cap space left? Here's an article on the topic, got me thinking about it. www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/16/17573220/position-preview-ny-giants-linebackers-training-camp-2018-alec-ogletree-olivier-vernon |
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 17, 2018 7:56:53 GMT -5
I like Goodson and I think all the linebackers will benefit from a 3-4.
To your point about depth and searching for a veteran FA. The Giants do have the #2 waiver position until week 6 of the Regular Season so I'm thinking somebody is going to be available to pick up. Could be a linebacker and I would be shocked if the Giants don't grab a few cut players considering their waiver position.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 17, 2018 12:45:31 GMT -5
My first post on a Giants forum since Giants . com banned me years ago. Anyway, here goes: Trading for Alec Ogletree answered a lot of fans concerns over the linebacker position. He's arguably the most promising player we've had at the position since Antonio Pierce. That said, there remains little depth behind Ogletree. B.J. Goodson will be the "starting" ILB next to Ogletree in the base 3-4 set. He started out promising with a big 18 tackle game vs the Cowboys in week 1, but got injured in week 2, and didn't do much for the remainder of the season before being IRed. There's reason for excitement about Goodson's potential, but his ability to contribute over the course of a 16 game season is still ultimately a question mark. Behind the two "starters", we are relying on: Calvin Munson, who played OK as a fill-in but his athleticism is clearly limited Mark Herzlich, we all know Herz, I assume, if you're on this board Ray-Ray Armstrong, who played a few games for us last year, who knew? Apparently he's a coverage LBer Thurston Armbrister, I know nothing about this guy, but he just seems like a classic pre-season cut. Harsh, I know, so sorry. Tae Davis, a UDFA,former safety. Who knows? Should the Giants seriously consider bringing in another William Gay type of veteran presence at ILB, not expensive, but a solid stop gap with experience? Is there one available? Who's left on the FA market, there's always a few names? Wait for cuts? Do we even have any cap space left? Here's an article on the topic, got me thinking about it. www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/16/17573220/position-preview-ny-giants-linebackers-training-camp-2018-alec-ogletree-olivier-vernonWelcome! |
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Post by Merc on Jul 17, 2018 16:14:33 GMT -5
My first post on a Giants forum since Giants . com banned me years ago. Anyway, here goes: Trading for Alec Ogletree answered a lot of fans concerns over the linebacker position. He's arguably the most promising player we've had at the position since Antonio Pierce. That said, there remains little depth behind Ogletree. B.J. Goodson will be the "starting" ILB next to Ogletree in the base 3-4 set. He started out promising with a big 18 tackle game vs the Cowboys in week 1, but got injured in week 2, and didn't do much for the remainder of the season before being IRed. There's reason for excitement about Goodson's potential, but his ability to contribute over the course of a 16 game season is still ultimately a question mark. Behind the two "starters", we are relying on: Calvin Munson, who played OK as a fill-in but his athleticism is clearly limited Mark Herzlich, we all know Herz, I assume, if you're on this board Ray-Ray Armstrong, who played a few games for us last year, who knew? Apparently he's a coverage LBer Thurston Armbrister, I know nothing about this guy, but he just seems like a classic pre-season cut. Harsh, I know, so sorry. Tae Davis, a UDFA,former safety. Who knows? Should the Giants seriously consider bringing in another William Gay type of veteran presence at ILB, not expensive, but a solid stop gap with experience? Is there one available? Who's left on the FA market, there's always a few names? Wait for cuts? Do we even have any cap space left? Here's an article on the topic, got me thinking about it. www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/16/17573220/position-preview-ny-giants-linebackers-training-camp-2018-alec-ogletree-olivier-vernonAs I have said before, I believe we have to cut one player over 700K to stay under the cap in the final 53. If that's the case then anyone added will require an equal cut. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 20:09:16 GMT -5
I like Goodson and I think all the linebackers will benefit from a 3-4. To your point about depth and searching for a veteran FA. The Giants do have the #2 waiver position until week 6 of the Regular Season so I'm thinking somebody is going to be available to pick up. Could be a linebacker and I would be shocked if the Giants don't grab a few cut players considering their waiver position. I like Goodson's potential as well, but I'm not entirely sold yet. It does appear with the limited options left in FA that waiting for cuts is the route to go if we need it. The best ILBs available right now are Navorro Bowman, Brian Cushing and Lawrence Timmons. None of them are attractive options. www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17566340/top-50-remaining-nfl-free-agents-training-camp-bryant-reid Raiders fans and analysts apparently feel Derrick Johnson may not make the team, and could be cut. They seem to want Navorro Bowman back. If either were affordable they would be the best options currently out there, imo. 247sports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/Article/Derrick-Johnsons-spot-on-Oakland-Raiders-53-man-roster-potentially-in-danger-119764292/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 5:22:15 GMT -5
So... We signed a veteran Linebacker at a reasonable deal! Connor Barwin. Sure, he's an OLB, but he's played SLB in 4-3, which is not entirely alien to playing strongside ILB in a 3-4. I'm sure he can bump inside and Bettcher could make a few minor adjustments to play to his strengths if we had to rely on him to fill in at ILB at some point this season. What say you, Giants message board? Can Barwin be serviceable at ILB? And surely this thread deserves some of the credit for landing us Connor Barwin  . |
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2018 6:02:19 GMT -5
I like Goodson and I think all the linebackers will benefit from a 3-4. To your point about depth and searching for a veteran FA. The Giants do have the #2 waiver position until week 6 of the Regular Season so I'm thinking somebody is going to be available to pick up. Could be a linebacker and I would be shocked if the Giants don't grab a few cut players considering their waiver position. I like Goodson's potential as well, but I'm not entirely sold yet. It does appear with the limited options left in FA that waiting for cuts is the route to go if we need it. The best ILBs available right now are Navorro Bowman, Brian Cushing and Lawrence Timmons. None of them are attractive options. www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17566340/top-50-remaining-nfl-free-agents-training-camp-bryant-reid Raiders fans and analysts apparently feel Derrick Johnson may not make the team, and could be cut. They seem to want Navorro Bowman back. If either were affordable they would be the best options currently out there, imo. 247sports.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/Article/Derrick-Johnsons-spot-on-Oakland-Raiders-53-man-roster-potentially-in-danger-119764292/I am not sold on Goodson either. He has had too many I can't shed a block moments. One of the reasons the up the gut running against the Giants was so easy for some teams. |
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 24, 2018 11:18:30 GMT -5
So... We signed a veteran Linebacker at a reasonable deal! Connor Barwin. Sure, he's an OLB, but he's played SLB in 4-3, which is not entirely alien to playing strongside ILB in a 3-4. I'm sure he can bump inside and Bettcher could make a few minor adjustments to play to his strengths if we had to rely on him to fill in at ILB at some point this season. What say you, Giants message board? Can Barwin be serviceable at ILB? And surely this thread deserves some of the credit for landing us Connor Barwin . Good question. ILB is super thin unless one or more of the OLBs can kick inside. Something to watch this preseason. One thing is I'm much more confident in the new regime. They seem to have a better grasp of needs etc. Time will tell. Goodson was injured all last season apprently. So he gets a pass in my mind. If healthy this year and he still struggles than it is time to be concerned methinks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 7:23:49 GMT -5
So... We signed a veteran Linebacker at a reasonable deal! Connor Barwin. Sure, he's an OLB, but he's played SLB in 4-3, which is not entirely alien to playing strongside ILB in a 3-4. I'm sure he can bump inside and Bettcher could make a few minor adjustments to play to his strengths if we had to rely on him to fill in at ILB at some point this season. What say you, Giants message board? Can Barwin be serviceable at ILB? And surely this thread deserves some of the credit for landing us Connor Barwin . Good question. ILB is super thin unless one or more of the OLBs can kick inside. Something to watch this preseason. One thing is I'm much more confident in the new regime. They seem to have a better grasp of needs etc. Time will tell. Goodson was injured all last season apprently. So he gets a pass in my mind. If healthy this year and he still struggles than it is time to be concerned methinks. Yeah, i'm fine with Goodson when he's on the field. It's his ability to stay on the field, and out of the trainer's room, that has me concerned with the depth at the position. |
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 28, 2018 7:31:32 GMT -5
LOVING the Barwin signing, dude always seemed to have our number... Cant hurt to bring in some post camp cuts to see what Sticks
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 28, 2018 10:39:35 GMT -5
My first post on a Giants forum since Giants . com banned me years ago. Anyway, here goes: Trading for Alec Ogletree answered a lot of fans concerns over the linebacker position. He's arguably the most promising player we've had at the position since Antonio Pierce. That said, there remains little depth behind Ogletree. B.J. Goodson will be the "starting" ILB next to Ogletree in the base 3-4 set. He started out promising with a big 18 tackle game vs the Cowboys in week 1, but got injured in week 2, and didn't do much for the remainder of the season before being IRed. There's reason for excitement about Goodson's potential, but his ability to contribute over the course of a 16 game season is still ultimately a question mark. Behind the two "starters", we are relying on: Calvin Munson, who played OK as a fill-in but his athleticism is clearly limited Mark Herzlich, we all know Herz, I assume, if you're on this board Ray-Ray Armstrong, who played a few games for us last year, who knew? Apparently he's a coverage LBer Thurston Armbrister, I know nothing about this guy, but he just seems like a classic pre-season cut. Harsh, I know, so sorry. Tae Davis, a UDFA,former safety. Who knows? Should the Giants seriously consider bringing in another William Gay type of veteran presence at ILB, not expensive, but a solid stop gap with experience? Is there one available? Who's left on the FA market, there's always a few names? Wait for cuts? Do we even have any cap space left? Here's an article on the topic, got me thinking about it. www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/16/17573220/position-preview-ny-giants-linebackers-training-camp-2018-alec-ogletree-olivier-vernonwelcome back, think they will have a shot to bring someone in for sure but they are tight against the cap ,maybe if the get OBJs deal done they can lower his cap hit this year I was gonna say cut John Jerry but he is a nice insurance policy for the OL ,there is probably money to be found on the roster just up to DG and Abrems to find it, |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 12:19:16 GMT -5
My first post on a Giants forum since Giants . com banned me years ago. Anyway, here goes: Trading for Alec Ogletree answered a lot of fans concerns over the linebacker position. He's arguably the most promising player we've had at the position since Antonio Pierce. That said, there remains little depth behind Ogletree. B.J. Goodson will be the "starting" ILB next to Ogletree in the base 3-4 set. He started out promising with a big 18 tackle game vs the Cowboys in week 1, but got injured in week 2, and didn't do much for the remainder of the season before being IRed. There's reason for excitement about Goodson's potential, but his ability to contribute over the course of a 16 game season is still ultimately a question mark. Behind the two "starters", we are relying on: Calvin Munson, who played OK as a fill-in but his athleticism is clearly limited Mark Herzlich, we all know Herz, I assume, if you're on this board Ray-Ray Armstrong, who played a few games for us last year, who knew? Apparently he's a coverage LBer Thurston Armbrister, I know nothing about this guy, but he just seems like a classic pre-season cut. Harsh, I know, so sorry. Tae Davis, a UDFA,former safety. Who knows? Should the Giants seriously consider bringing in another William Gay type of veteran presence at ILB, not expensive, but a solid stop gap with experience? Is there one available? Who's left on the FA market, there's always a few names? Wait for cuts? Do we even have any cap space left? Here's an article on the topic, got me thinking about it. www.bigblueview.com/2018/7/16/17573220/position-preview-ny-giants-linebackers-training-camp-2018-alec-ogletree-olivier-vernonwelcome back, think they will have a shot to bring someone in for sure but they are tight against the cap ,maybe if the get OBJs deal done they can lower his cap hit this year I was gonna say cut John Jerry but he is a nice insurance policy for the OL ,there is probably money to be found on the roster just up to DG and Abrems to find it, Maybe Barwin can do the job? He did play SAM in the Eagles 4-3 I believe. Not entirely different from 3-4 ILB. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 28, 2018 13:30:42 GMT -5
Maybe Barwin can do the job? He did play SAM in the Eagles 4-3 I believe. Not entirely different from 3-4 ILB. think it's a good possibility, he probably would have to play more snaps they will need him on the edge for pass rush, at his age don't know if they would want to do that. |
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 15:59:51 GMT -5
I have high hopes for Goodson. I try not to get too excited about players until I see consistency for more than a year but when he wasn’t injured I felt like he had a lot of potential. Still a ways to go to prove it though.
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