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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 19, 2018 15:34:23 GMT -5
I think our team made a great move getting rid of JPP's contract and I think both he and OV are in better situations, but JPP has Chandler Jones on the other side of the line and OV will be getting a ton of double teams if he is our most productive pass rusher. I think Belcher will move him around to avoid too many double teams, but in your gut, who do u think has the better season stat wise?
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2018 17:06:20 GMT -5
JPP historically has when healthy . The D-line he is on is one of the leagues best. That is a big advantage for him to free up and get to the QB.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 19, 2018 17:51:07 GMT -5
While I'm still on the fence about OV, JPP's best days are long gone.
I dunno. OV is on the Giants, so I voted him.
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Post by Merc on Jul 19, 2018 18:03:26 GMT -5
OV will be productive in Bettcher's D. As a linebacker he will have more freedom to hit the gaps.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 19, 2018 20:53:02 GMT -5
I voted JPP due the depth of his new line. Also, OV hasn't even come close to living up to that contract. I would say Reese was either high or drunk when he handed out that contract but that isn't even enough. I have come to the conclusion that he was both high and drunk....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:24:16 GMT -5
I'll take a guy with 2 hands over a guy with 1 every time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:30:47 GMT -5
I dunno. OV is on the Giants, so I voted him. Cool. Next we should ask, "Manning or Rodgers 2018 - Who Has The Better Season". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:34:35 GMT -5
I'll take a guy with 2 hands over a guy with 1 every time. I have two hands. Does that mean I'm a better DE than JPP? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:38:25 GMT -5
OV will get more sacks than JPP this season.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 19, 2018 22:32:46 GMT -5
I cant see JPP being dominant like he was in 2011 ever again. The sheer fact that was 7 years ago and he is 29y/o now, with a mangled hand to boot. I give him praise for coming back and making some plays but thats about it.
OV has an opportunity to break out this year in Coach Bettchers defense playing that Chandler Jones role. Jones had 17 sacks last season. If OV can get 10 I'll be happy.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 20, 2018 5:36:33 GMT -5
OV will be productive in Bettcher's D. As a linebacker he will have more freedom to hit the gaps. I was thinking this, but then others say he will face more double teams. It's going to be very interesting, to see who benefits in this defensive scheme change. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 20, 2018 8:13:50 GMT -5
I cant see JPP being dominant like he was in 2011 ever again. The sheer fact that was 7 years ago and he is 29y/o now, with a mangled hand to boot. I give him praise for coming back and making some plays but thats about it. OV has an opportunity to break out this year in Coach Bettchers defense playing that Chandler Jones role. Jones had 17 sacks last season. If OV can get 10 I'll be happy. Neither of them are going to be dominant but OV has never been. JPP had 8.5 sacks last year on that crusty Giants line that included OV. OV has only once in his six year career had over 10 sacks and hasn't even sniffed that amount again. Jerry Reese handed out a $85M contract to run stuffing DE who averaged 7 sacks a year over six years, lol. I just can't see how anyone can get excited about OV.... The only time I will be excited about OV is when he gets replaced by a guy with similar production who costs 1/2 as much.... |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 20, 2018 10:29:28 GMT -5
We did over pay for OV & JPP IMO.,
Let’s see which one can play all 16 games. I say neither
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Post by Merc on Jul 20, 2018 11:32:24 GMT -5
OV will be productive in Bettcher's D. As a linebacker he will have more freedom to hit the gaps. I was thinking this, but then others say he will face more double teams. It's going to be very interesting, to see who benefits in this defensive scheme change. If he gets double teamed, they will be a DT who will benefit. |
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 20, 2018 15:54:53 GMT -5
I think if JPP is part of a rotation where he gets a fair amount of snaps off for rest he is going to seem majorly rejuvenated. People are way too hard on the guy because he isn't the same magnificently dominant player as he was in 2011. Plus you add in the injuries, along with the fireworks accident and his expensive contract and it just frustrates everyone. Some people have been majorly pissed about him since 2012 when he had that Back (?) injury that he played through. He hardly ever got a snap off the last couple of seasons and that'll run the best player ragged. So from what I hear they have some pretty good players in Tampa, thus if he's part of a healthy rotation I think people are going to be surprised at his performance. I don't think he'll be quite at a 2011 performance level (at least not statistically) but I think he'll look the best he has in a long time.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 20, 2018 16:32:54 GMT -5
I was thinking this, but then others say he will face more double teams. It's going to be very interesting, to see who benefits in this defensive scheme change. If he gets double teamed, they will be a DT who will benefit. Or that could be the perfect time to blitz with more LBs or someone from the secondary. I'm not going to be too concerned with Vernon's stats, as long as results in disruption are created. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 7:52:40 GMT -5
If JPP isn’t playing 95% of snaps and stays healthy I could see him having a better overall season than OV (factoring in all that he does (vs the run, pass etc). IMO he is a better player than OV, but the contract, health made it the right decision to trade.
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 7:59:11 GMT -5
If JPP isn’t playing 95% of snaps and stays healthy I could see him having a better overall season than OV (factoring in all that he does (vs the run, pass etc). IMO he is a better player than OV, but the contract, health made it the right decision to trade. I have said this before OV is not a sack rusher. He is a pressure rusher. I do not see how taking his hand off the ground is going to change that. I agree 100% with your last line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 8:04:34 GMT -5
If JPP isn’t playing 95% of snaps and stays healthy I could see him having a better overall season than OV (factoring in all that he does (vs the run, pass etc). IMO he is a better player than OV, but the contract, health made it the right decision to trade. I have said this before OV is not a sack rusher. He is a pressure rusher. I do not see how taking his hand off the ground is going to change that. I agree 100% with your last line. Both players are in a better situation. It will be interesting to see how OV does. His greatest strength is getting low (VERY low) and playing with tremendous leverage. I think using him on the interior more often (as is in vogue these days) will be effective. Generally I expect to see him moving around quite a bit... JPP is a guy who has more of a variety of tools in the toolbox...plus length. the Giants I think ruined him in some ways by having him beef up so much and really kind of killing some of his athleticism and speed...plus his injuries started to mount...maybe a more natural weight could have kept him in better condition...although JPP did turn into an excellent edge defender vs the run. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 8:15:02 GMT -5
I have said this before OV is not a sack rusher. He is a pressure rusher. I do not see how taking his hand off the ground is going to change that. I agree 100% with your last line. Both players are in a better situation. It will be interesting to see how OV does. His greatest strength is getting low (VERY low) and playing with tremendous leverage. I think using him on the interior more often (as is in vogue these days) will be effective. Generally I expect to see him moving around quite a bit... JPP is a guy who has more of a variety of tools in the toolbox...plus length. the Giants I think ruined him in some ways by having him beef up so much and really kind of killing some of his athleticism and speed...plus his injuries started to mount...maybe a more natural weight could have kept him in better condition...although JPP did turn into an excellent edge defender vs the run. I agree with all of this . I just do not see how OV is going to mussel his guy back into the QB or get around him in 2 seconds or less. He has never been able to do that. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Jul 21, 2018 22:56:35 GMT -5
I think our team made a great move getting rid of JPP's contract and I think both he and OV are in better situations, but JPP has Chandler Jones on the other side of the line and OV will be getting a ton of double teams if he is our most productive pass rusher. I think Belcher will move him around to avoid too many double teams, but in your gut, who do u think has the better season stat wise? JPP is on the Bucs now...he has Vinny Curry on the other side. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 22, 2018 10:42:40 GMT -5
I voted similar stats think JPP willl benefit from not having to play 95% of the defensive snaps the Bucs have plenty of depth up front,on the other hand OV will get the benefit of a guy who could scheme him up some one on ones but he will have to win.guess we will see think they will be close, that said getting out from under JPPs contract was a good thing next up in 2019 will probably be Jenkens if they fell real good about Biel.
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Post by brownelvis54 on Jul 22, 2018 11:30:39 GMT -5
OV for sure........JPP hasn't lived up to his potential, takes plays off seems to have lost his edge.
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